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27th May 2018, 02:22 AM | #921 |
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27th May 2018, 08:36 AM | #926 |
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27th May 2018, 01:45 PM | #927 |
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Trump says it's all on again!
"Our United States team has arrived in North Korea to make arrangements for the Summit between Kim Jong Un and myself. I truly believe North Korea has brilliant potential and will be a great economic and financial Nation one day. Kim Jong Un agrees with me on this. It will happen!" |
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27th May 2018, 03:05 PM | #932 |
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Rubbish, most of the left are shaking their heads and getting the popcorn ready as Trump walks into an obvious trap.
Kim Jong Un is playing Trump like a fiddle. Trump has zero leverage going into these talks, other than to make the US the bad guy in it all by threatening to derail the peace plans that the two Koreas have been working on. Kim has seen that South Korea has split from the US in their policies towards the North, and pounced. He made Trump irrelevant to the peace deal and left him with two options. Either conceding to whatever Kim wants, or to cause the failure of the peace negotiations. Kim isn't going to give up his nuclear weapons until he has the US out of Korea and the two countries united under his own rule, and possibly not even then. He doesn't have to give anything up either. His game of "stopping" nuclear testing is a sham because their facility was destroyed in the last test, and they don't need to test their long range rocket any further because they know that it is effective. He's handed over a bunch of nothing, done a run around Trump by negotiating with Sun to get a peace deal on the table, and now all that is left is to get Trump to concede to the removal of US Troops or it'll result in the loss of the peace treaty. Trump will either have to concede or becomes the big bad war monger. Perhaps I'm wrong and giving Kim too much credit, but I don't think so. I don't think think he is at all worried about going into a battle of wits with an unarmed man. |
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nd-kim-jong-un
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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27th May 2018, 07:22 PM | #938 |
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Tump got a way out. He should take it. He's not good enough to make this summit work.
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27th May 2018, 07:25 PM | #939 |
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Kim is going into a meeting with a known liar and deal breaker. He knows that whatever is agreed to on either side is meaningless because he's dealing with a person who backs out of deals on a whim.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Let's be fair. Kim and Trump are going into a meeting with two known liars and deal breakers. One backs out of deals like Sonny Jr. in Draft Day ("we live in a different world than just 30 seconds ago"), the other just makes promises that he never intends to keep in the first place.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Imagine you had a crystal ball, and knew with absolute certainty that Trump would clownishly bugger things up at that summit. Would you then 'get out the popcorn' and relish the fumbling fool's flailing? I'd get a schadenboner out of it.
Of course we none of us has that crystal ball, but some are confidently predicting a floundering based on past history. Indeed, it would almost be miraculous for Trump to suddenly get all presidential and stuff. So it's perhaps better to not get hopes soaring, and instead gird one's loins for disappointment and derive some other satisfaction at failure for the laziest, most ignorant, self-absorbed and unwilling to learn President the USA ever foisted upon itself. What success will attend will be the result of the two Korean leaders. Mr. Artlessness of the Deal might as well stay home. |
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KJU doesn't really care about how presidential Trump is: it is enough that he is, technically, the President if the United States and can therefore sign whatever is put in front of him ... after a couple of reminders.
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I think everyone wants to see them be productive, but the issue is that Trump has already been outmanoeuvred by Kim. Trump has nothing left to offer NK other than removing troops and sanctions, and Kim is never going to truly put total nuclear disarmament on the table without caveats of Korean Unity and US agreement to leave them all alone and go away.
Kim knows that Trump can now only agree to the conditions he wants and needs to unify Korea under the North's banner, or to become the bad guy by trashing the peace talks between the North and the South. Trump has already lost. He either hands all of Korea over to Kim, or he looks like a peace hating warmonger. |
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This summit is not going to take place. Nothing substantial will come out of any talks. North Korea will not be an economically health stretch of land in 50 years even if Trump magically got his wettest dream agreements signed.
Just stating a few of the more obvious facts. |
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I don't know, I can see them happening.
Kim needs them to happen to further his agenda to remove the US from Korean soil and begin working towards uniting the South under his banner. Trump wants them to happen so he can play the big man and claim that he was the one that brought peace to the Korean peninsular and so he can claim his Nobel Peace Prize. I can even see Trump walking away waving a piece of paper and declaring peace in our times along with the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsular, all without realizing the true nature of the Bill of Goods he's been sold, and how it will play out in the future once US Troops have all left. In fact, that is probably what worries me the most about this situation. |
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And how is that a bad thing? SK can protect itself, a lot of SK citizens don't like having Americans there either, and keeping them there costs the USA money.
NK has no chance of winning if it tries to attack SK even without the USA (or UN or Japan). Its army might be technically bigger, but it falls short in equipment, logistical support, training, and morale & motivation, and it has essentially no air support. And without air support, that army not only has no real defense against getting directly attacked by SK's air force, but also has no way to prevent SK's air force from simply eliminating the only land routes they could take into SK through the mountains anyway. American forces aren't there to prevent SK from getting helplessly overrun by NK; they're there to make the process of SK clobbering NK cost less to SK and be over more quickly & efficiently & neatly... and because the agreement to have them there was reached ages ago when NK had China's and the USSR's support, which they wouldn't this time. And NK knows this, which gives them no incentive to try it, only reasons to find a way to declare it unnecessary. That's the part that shows what's wrong with the quotes I just responded to above, because it contradicts them. If the result were going to be NK overrunning SK, then SK wouldn't want it, and trashing it wouldn't make anybody a bad guy. SK wants peace talks and would see someone trashing them as a bad guy, and already has an internal movement of people who want the Americans sent home anyway regardless of what NK does, because SK knows it can handle it alone. The noun ends at the "a". Adding an "r" is how to convert it to an adjective. |
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The idea that China would let S.K. overrun N.K. when any US troops are still present is insane, seriously there is no way on earth that China would allow a common border with a country with US troops present- N.K. is their buffer.
Especially a country that has already threatened them directly... |
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I doubt the RoK even wants to reunify, even if it would be under their democratic government. The RoK can't just let everyone in the North move south and they can't afford to bring the DPRK up to their standard of living. It would have to be a long term phased implementation which is not possible in the current or near term circumstances.
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I am willing to entertain the notion that it is indeed Trump who is making things happen. I would welcome a peace deal that involves, gosh, peace, and no nukes. Wonderful no matter who makes that happen. Kudos, then, to Trump... if and when.
That said, I am equally convinced that, after sitting in gentlemanly fashion for so long at negotiating tables under the rules of engagement and institutional venues set up after WWII, today's younger generations (and fogies who are forgetful or stupid) run the risk of being awesomely impressed by the Rule of Fist. No question, standing up from the table, pulling the other guy across, punching him silly and taking his wallet is, indeed, the fast track to a win. The real outcome of such policies, however, will not be seen until you meet again, now under no rules of engagement, with less dialog, and weapons ready in hand. Only then will the hard lessons of WWII come gobsmacking back in a symphony of forehead slapping. |
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