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10th April 2018, 01:06 PM | #41 |
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11th April 2018, 01:37 AM | #43 |
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11th April 2018, 07:33 AM | #44 |
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Yeah I've never been able to suppress that. If I had I would have been producing 'archaeological crazy stuff' for the fringe for large amounts of money for decades......sigh the utter tyranny of honesty.
Egyptian colonies in Greenland, the existence of Nato'wa confirmed, Macedonian colonies in the Pamirs (found by Victorian explorers, etc., etc., so much pseudo science I could have spewed out. |
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11th April 2018, 02:21 PM | #48 |
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The Nobel committee's award is much less than can fleeced from gullible believers. Ask markie how much in investment has flowed into Mill's various renamed companies, paying him and other lucrative salaries to produce - nothing and to produce nothing for 30 years.
Markie what does Mill pay himself out of investor's money? There is nothing illegal in that by the way so why would you not tell us? How much, percentage wise, is paid out for infrastructure, salary, pensions, health care vs actual research? |
12th April 2018, 06:03 AM | #49 |
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None of those things form from smoke.
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It seems to me that it's one thing to opine that what we're seeing is nonsense that has nothing to do with hydrinos, but another altogether to be able to say "that looks exactly like what happens with chemical reaction x". The former is almost certainly true, but the latter is a much stronger argument, in the same way that saying "the way that reactor is said to work is nonsense therefore what we're seeing isn't a reactor in action" is a weaker argument than "the way that reactor is said to work is nonsense and that looks exactly like an arc welder, therefore what we're seeing isn't a reaction in action". |
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12th April 2018, 07:04 AM | #50 |
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How should I know such things? I'm no insider. But, I would think that BLP's corporate investors who perform due diligence and risk assessment have access to information that makes BLP a worthwhile investment. I would also think that BLP runs a pretty lean and productive operation relative to other companies. They have my admiration for conducting groundbreaking research - both pure and applied - for decades, all without government funding at taxpayers expense. You may think they have produced 'nothing' for 30 years, but that is true only as it relates to a commercial product thus far. They have amassed intellectual property and trade secrets that are thrilling to contemplate.
Take a peek at BLP's advisory board at http://brilliantlightpower.com/advisory-board/ It looks like they are well advised. |
12th April 2018, 07:43 AM | #51 |
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Is there any significant downside for any of those individuals to be on said board? I can’t think of any.
Significant upside? Well, let me count the ways ... IP and trade secrets? None are independently, and objectively, verifiable, are they? Short of a viable commercial product, that is ... |
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13th April 2018, 04:38 PM | #53 |
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13th April 2018, 05:11 PM | #54 |
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I knew I'd seen something similar at some point in my life, and I remembered what is was today. Burning plastic. In my pyromaniac stage of youth, we were always looking for something cool looking to burn. One of our favorite things to light on fire and carry around was a wiffleball bat. I'm not sure what form of high impact plastic it was made from, but it would produce a wispy black smoke that had a cobweb like quality to it, and some amount of remaining mass that when it landed, looked very much like a black version of what we see remaining in the present case of Mills "demonstration". My guess is some plastic based insulation burned away, and what we see is the wispy unburnt remains. But I'm no scientist.
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13th April 2018, 07:36 PM | #55 |
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14th April 2018, 03:13 AM | #56 |
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14th April 2018, 05:33 AM | #57 |
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Well, "smokewebs" are definitely a thing - I've seen them myself - they looked like black cobwebs.
In a nutshell they are caused by burning plastics recombining as polymer chains when the smoke cools and are very common after domestic fires. Google will give you a better explanation and images. I'd be surprised if those filaments in the video aren't formed by that sort of process. |
14th April 2018, 07:57 AM | #58 |
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https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/...web-formations
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I would have to say that if it really is plastic, then that would seem to definitively rule out the possibility of people genuinely believing that they've stumbled onto something exciting and new, as it would appear that the filament that burns up would have to be made from plastic rather than metal. |
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14th April 2018, 08:21 AM | #59 |
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I think it's entirely possible that Mills really did think he was on to something when he first started out. It might well have gone from genuine investigation, to a bit of fudging whilst still sincere, to a lot of fudging as the truth began to dawn, to an outright scam, without there ever being a moment when he made a conscious decision to create such a scam. Now, of course, he has to go on with it, as the point where he could have legitimately called a halt has long passed.
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14th April 2018, 09:43 AM | #61 |
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14th April 2018, 09:52 AM | #62 |
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I see your point but don't think it applies because this one video is not an isolated claim. In the context of Brilliant Light Power believers the argument you're asking for is simply a Whack a Mole argument. You'll just have to do it over and over again for every video they come up with. I think it's better to point out why this video, due to it's source, can't be taken seriously. Don't pretend the burden is on you to demonstrate why this is wrong, that's the appearance that helps BLP maintain the scam.
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14th April 2018, 11:23 AM | #63 |
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I assumed I was looking into a chamber of some kind so I'll have another look at the video. They are careful never to show any visual context or details of the setup in their video; just the gee-whiz feature they're trying to promote. ETA: Doh! Now I see you point about vacuum. |
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14th April 2018, 02:44 PM | #64 |
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Well, we don't have to do anything. I think, however, it would be the sceptical thing to do to attempt to demonstrate that each claim is wrong - or can be replicated by other methods - on its own merits.
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And besides all of that, I don't know about anybody else, but I think it's interesting. I think the majority of people posting in this thread will agree that what we're looking at has nothing whatsoever to do with hydrinos, but aren't you interested in what it actually is? Isn't trying to explain the unknown kind of why most of us are on this board? Isn't that what scepticism, as a movement, is about? Isn't discussing the scientific nature of things what this particular subforum is about? I've never seen anything quite like it before, and things that I've never seen before interest me. I find it gratifying to explain them or have them explained. I also think finding out what this particular chemical reaction most likely is may offer some interesting insight. I mean, if we can work out what it likely is, then that may allow us to work out how likely it is that it's something that Mills & co discovered by accident as a side-effect of however they're setting up their experiments and so incorporated into a video or two, or whether it's an effect Mills or someone working for him already knew about (or found out about from some external source) and deliberately set about trying to replicate. I think that would be interesting in and of itself. I'm generally curious about things. This is something I'm curious about. I'm honestly a little surprised that I seem to be the only one. |
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14th April 2018, 02:56 PM | #65 |
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I get the interesting problem part. Don't happen to share it for this particular case, but I certainly get it.
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4th May 2018, 10:10 PM | #66 |
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So while Mills and BLP are furiously looking for a way to convert heat energy into electricity, NASA has just completed a test of a small nuclear reactor (U-235) to do just that: Demonstration Proves Nuclear Fission System Can Provide Space Exploration Power
Originally Posted by NASA
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5th May 2018, 01:58 AM | #67 |
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Ahhh so thats why Mills couldn't get his thermal exchange whosiwhatits and dynamic dynamo coolerising etceteraisators, that would solve the heat problem, NASA has no doubt bought the entire stock and paid off the companies and patent offices with taxpayer funds to prevent Mills from advancing. I guess Mills will have to go back to the drawing board
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5th May 2018, 02:58 AM | #68 |
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Bah, clearly you know NASA is lying. Why if a genius like Mills cannot discover how to turn a source of heat in to power, then no one can.
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11th May 2018, 08:49 AM | #69 |
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Using thermal energy (from nuclear power or combustion) to drive a Stirling engine to generate electricity is nothing new. Stealth submarines use this.
Mills of course is well aware of the methods to convert thermal energy to electricity. For instance this is from Mills et al from 2012 https://www.researchgate.net/publica...talyst_systems
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In parallel BLP is also working on a novel kind of magneto hydrodynamic drive (MHD) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive which would generate electricity directly rather than indirectly. They have already filed patent applications for this iirc. A MHD would be the ideal because the hydrino reaction itself is highly ionizing due to the high energy light released from hydrino formation. The opposite charges are separated with a magnetic field and an electric current is generated from this. If you think NASA's development is exciting just wait. |
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11th May 2018, 02:42 PM | #71 |
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I'm not sure if this is the one markie meant, but he's applied for another patent: GAMMA-RAY AND TRI-HYDROGEN-CATION COLLISIONAL ELECTRON BEAM TRANSDUCER Of course, I'm not sure what that title has to do with the main independent claim:
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If you click around there, you can download a pdf copy of the Written Opinion of the International Search Authority, which usually forms the basis for the International Preliminary Report on Patentability. The last paragraph on the last page is of particular interest, where the examiner discusses the industrial applicability of the claimed subject matter. Let's just say that it's extremely uncommon for an examiner at the WO/IPRP stage to argue that all the claims on file lack industrial applicability. ETA: here are the other independent claims:
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11th May 2018, 03:25 PM | #72 |
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It’s never that the idea or tech is wrong, it’s just that Mills is always waiting on something....
As for him being able to do anything with MHD, pull the other one. He’s just setting up for the next pivot to distract from the trail of incompetency/perfidy he’s leaving behind |
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11th May 2018, 03:36 PM | #73 |
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Sadly no Markie. It awaits the actual discovery of an actual hydrino. Something we must all wait forever for due to it not existing at all.
When all else fails, go back to basics. Has Mills ever ever ever in his 30+ years of work on hydrinos ever actually detected a single hydrino ever? The answer is no. He had a hypothesis that hydrinos were the cause of some anomalous readings he had on some equipment he was using. Period! The hypothesis has been falsified formally and repeatedly. There is absolutely no evidence hydrinos exist. Period. There is actually a ton of evidence hydrinos can not exist. Period. This means the default position is that hydrinos don't exist. They are a figment of Mills imagination. He is welcome to try and falsify this default position with evidence, but he has failed repeatedly. So you can just forget about any hydrino based technology. It's a fraud, a hoax, a scam, a myth, or just wishful thinking; take your pick. But in any case it certainly isn't reality. |
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Never mind that this is all probably bunk. Can you really get a patent unless you have a finished working invention? That sounds to me like you could patent intentions!?
But having filed for patent sounds impressive to some I guess. |
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12th May 2018, 04:39 AM | #77 |
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NASA successfully tested a nuclear reactor in space (SNAP-10A) back in, IIRC, 1965. NASA has been working on Stirling convertors for a long time, too; a project to fly an advanced convertor heated by Pu-238 isotope decay was shelved some years ago, although the convertors themselves stayed on long-term test with electric heaters at Glenn Research Center.
Of course, static conversion with RTGs has been providing ultra-reliable, if not particularly efficient, power for decades. Even longer than Mills has been running his scam, and just as reliably as sheeplike suckers fall for it. |
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You say that, and yet:
For over 25 years Mills has left an undeniable trail of experimental evidence to show the hydrino exists. Spectral signatures from hydrino formation, tests confirming hydrino end product, large excess heat from calorimetry tests, controlled tests showing necessity of both atomic hydrogen and predicted catalysts. All in vast range of conditions: gas, plasma, aqueous, and solid environments and with results that have been validated by others and in accord with a predictive theory. |
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