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Oh, man! Arthwollipot recommended that Thor 2 stops using ad homs when talking about believers:
Thor 2 pretends that his ad-hom attacks aren’t ad homs: And ynot backs him up with one of his many fabrications: So we go from arthwollipot recommending that atheists criticize the belief rather than the believer to the claim that all he wants to do is ”be nice” to theists. So now Thor 2 repeats ynot’s strawman as if that was what arthwollipot actually said: It’s all about ”being nice” to theists: Their strategy appears to be much like the one employed by Trump: Make up strawmen and repeat them long enough for people to believe that that’s what your critics actually said. And avoid answering questions at all costs! In particular when somebody shows what you're doing! Whining about being unfairly attacked is also one of Trump's favorite strategies. |
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Given the latest on this thread, perhaps a more useful question might be "Can a person be insulted to leave a religion/atheism?"
Some people are more comfortable with insulting a position rather than using reason to critique it. That may tell you something about their ability to do either. It's not just religion either. Politics, sex, sports, it's part of tribalism. There is a certain satisfaction and validation received when insulting 'the other' when you are part of the in-group on a board. Guys, what do you want to be known as? If you don't care if you are not known as a reasoner, then question answered! (Written by someone who doesn't mind throwing or receiving the odd zinger at times, but tries to never mistake insults for reason.) |
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People don't generally try to use degradation as a tool to help the person with whom they're communicating. They do it for fun, to promote their own social status, and for reasons like that. Most people are not terribly self-aware of their own motivations, though, myself included.
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Probably. People can be insulted to do all kinds of things!
In general, however, I don't think that it's a very efficient way of convincing anybody of anything. And in the case of religion, a belief, the kind of force that an insult wields is negligible: Believers may decide that you're a despicable human being and ignore you. But if, for some reason (could be peer pressure, for instance), the believers want to maintain contact with you, they can just pretend that they don't believe. Not just religious faiths, but also political or sexual persuasions can be denied. (That's why religious persecution is probably one of the least efficient ways of putting an end to religion. All you need to do to escape prosecution is to pretend: You still believe in whatever you believe in, you just don't say it out loud.)
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It may or it may not, but you're right that sometimes people will resort to insults when they run out of arguments - if they had any, in the first place.
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You are right, but I don't think that it would have to be the in-group. Peer pressure may be just as compelling in a persecuted minority group. It works in any group you want to belong to or depend on belonging to.
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There's one thing that gets me riled up every time: elitism! Elitist behavior, elitist arguments, and (pseudo) elitist organizations. And it surprises me every time how unintelligent elitist thinking makes people. Since I started writing about IQ theory, more than 15 years ago ... IQ: The democratically purified racism (Skeptic Report) How intelligent is the average IQ test designer? (Skeptic Report) ... I've been attacked by Mensans a couple of times, sometimes openly and sometimes I was made aware of discussions taking place among Mensans. It never ceases to amaze me how dumb those guys are. And the beauty of it is that their combination of arrogance and stupidity makes them extremely vulnerable to criticism. They tend to argue in the following way: 'I haven't really spent any time studying/analyzing this, but ...' because they actually think that they are much more clever than 98 % of humanity and thus don't need to know anything. I've had discussions with Danish Mensans who contradicted what I said about the purpose of their cult because they didn't know what the statement of purpose of Dansk Mensa actually said. I've seen them claim that intelligence is fate - you have the IQ that you're born with, it's all in your genes, and studying can't improve it - while at the same time engaging in discussions about what you can do to improve your IQ if you lacked a few points in order to pass their test. But even in the case of those guys, I try to avoid ad homs and other insults. An actual argument that shows how dumb they are is much more humiliating! Among "reasons like that", I think that their own need is what's most important: the need to feel superior! This is the reason why I've been trying to make it obvious to them how pathetic it is to pride oneself of knowing that there is no god, no beyond and no afterlife as if that were a gargantuan intellectual accomplishment. I think that most of us know that it isn't. It's a starting point, that's all. Marx, for instance, criticized religion when he was 25. And then he spent the rest of his life criticizing capitalism ... |
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We are between a rock and a hard place on this issue. Using reason we atheists find many religious beliefs to be quite absurd - we must be allowed to say this. If making this point insults those who hold these beliefs then so be it - it can't be avoided. Any offence we are guilty of pales into insignificance compared to the offence that religion has, and still does, impose on the non believer. I think we all know what they are. Given the above I do not try and denigrate the religious personally although I do reserve the right to illustrate how ridiculous some of they beliefs are. Can we get back on the topic of this thread? |
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I think that you're right about this: Only fundamentalists (believers or atheists) imagine that if you're a believer, you are believing 24/7. Most of the time, almost everybody is preoccupied with their everyday lives, not with religion. Most devout Christians are probably believing for an hour or two on Sundays.
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I think that you are right about this as well: For the first couple of thousand years, people were trying to make sense of the world and came up with all kinds of weird explanations, but a delusion is not the same as a religion. And back then, even more so than now, people were busy getting food on the table - if they had advanced to the stage where they had tables ... (I love this novel by one of my favourite authors, Daniel Chavarria, about the liberal religious views of the ancients: The Eye of Cybele)
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Bible thumping seems to be a fundamentalist thing, not something that most or even many Christians do.
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As I've pointed out on this board a couple of times: In Denmark we have preachers who aren't theists. And it seems to be spreading to the rest of the world and, what may be more surprising, also accepted by whole congregations:
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I should probably elaborate a little:
Nobody's tried to infringe on your first amendment rights - or whatever they're called in your part of the world.
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Yes, it can! You enjoy pretending that any criticism of religion = insults. Religious fundamentalists may find any criticism of religion to be insulting. That's their mistake. However, you make it yours when you pretend that your insults are mere criticism.
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I just thought you weren't guilty of any offences?!
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You are particularly fond of this tu quoque, aren't you?! Atheist martyrs of the world, unite!
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So let's sum it up: 'We just can't help insulting believers. If we gave up on insulting the nutters, it would be a violation of our first-amendment rights. And anyway, the believers are to blame for our insults because believers are much worse than us. We are the real victims! We are the good guys so we have the right to tell believers that they are intellectually inferior to us.' |
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But you're at cross purposes here, kellyb. The only thing Thor 2 wants them to hear is the insult.
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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I hope that one day people like that will come to understand how weak it makes them seem.
To me it seems equivalent of Donald Trump banging on and on about how his inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's. Firstly, you don't need to say that it's the biggest if it actually is - people can see that for themselves. Secondly, it's giving all the power to the other guy - you're just demonstrating how much of a hold they have over you. Finally, it's showing everybody how small you are if that's how you feel you have to present yourself to the world. It's acting like you think you're a big, tough guy, when actually you're just laying out all your petty insecurities for everybody to see. I think discourse is so much better for everybody concerned, from all participants to all onlookers, when all parties are secure enough within themselves to avoid all the silly posturing. |
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You can't be serious!!!
If he dares challenge Rex Tillerson to an IQ competition, he must be rilly, rilly, rilly, rilly smart!!! And he's the president!!!!!!!! |
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You shouldn't have bothered methinks given the stuff below.
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You're strategy of breaking sentences in parts and replying to those parts does little to enhance you're argument. Forgive my ignorance but what is tu quoque?
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Ah, Webster's Dictionary is dodgy now. I don't have time to find alternatives for you right now, not that you'd consider any of them any less dodgy if they told you something you didn't agree with. I have time when I get home from work.
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Take you're time I have patience. Language is fluid and forever changing. The majority of atheists I speak to, and I think the majority who post here, just proclaim a lack of belief in gods, not a positive belief in there being no god. Even Richard Dawkins falls into this category. |
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Don't bother, arthwollipot! Thor 2 is incorrigible. When he's lost his last limb, there's really no point in fightning him anymore.
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I detect measured tone in your writing kellyb so perhaps you may be prepared to listen to what I say. Dann has now resorted to personal insults so it would seem his arguments, such as they were, have failed. My brother found Jesus when he was 18 years old when I read Bertrand Russell and found release at the age of 16. Can you imagine the discussions we had? My brother married in the church, (to someone he met in the church), and they raised 4 children. The children went to religious schools, camps, and so on so became Christians also. Quite a fundy lot actually - not believing in evolution and such. In spite of our diametrically opposed positions my brother and I never fell out. In later years he stopped trying to convert me so I left him to his beliefs as he left me alone with my lack of belief. My brother died when quite young unfortunately, (God needed him to do things for him in heaven I was told), but his son, my nephew, has taken things to a new level. He's a praise Jesus faith healer, actively driving demons out of folk to cure them of all kinds of maladies, including homosexuality. He took it upon himself to convert me to his faith. It didn't work. The emails between my nephew and I would fill a book and I can tell you I didn't pull any punches with my arguments. I never told him he was stupid but I certainly let him know what I thought of his beliefs. His arguments were all about experiences and just I believe because I believe because ........ He has stopped trying to convert me now and we remain friends. |
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Yes, they do indeed. As a method of making an argument, generally. That doesn't mean that a majority of English speakers use the word in that way. You're free to use whatever definitions you choose, but if you use one that most others don't use, you can't be surprised that people will misunderstand you.
If you go up to randoms in the street and ask them what "atheism" means, I guarantee that most of them will give you a definition that carries baggage other than the naive lack-of-belief definition. Note: I haven't tried this experiment. If you do, and you get a result other than that, I will surprisedly withdraw my argument. |
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No, no, no, ...... you can't just make a word mean whatever you want. It may change in meaning over time but its difficult to see that happening with the word atheist. From my dictionary:
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Incredible!
The same guy who blames you, "Just like you to explode on the scene with a load of waffle to cloud the issue," only yesterday complained that "Dann has now resorted to personal insults ...". Like said, incorrigible! |
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Feelings/emotions, opinions, subjective justification/evaluation/measure and what not. Well, in the recorded history of mankind here is an old one:
"Man is the measure of all things: of the things that are, that they are, of the things that are not, that they are not." - Protagoras. #Some humans use subjectivity to claim the super-natural. #Others use subjectivity to deny it in other versions than their own. Both kinds of humans are different in how they use their individual subjectivity, but they share the same characteristic. They don't reflect and understand that they themselves are subjective and that other humans are subjectively different in how they think, believe, feel and so on. I suspect it has to do with this: Neurotypical: "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one". From google. In everyday words it goes like this: I can't believe that other humans experience the world differently, because it doesn't make sense to me, therefore it doesn't make sense to other humans. As long as these humans think like that, you can't convince them otherwise, because it works for them. If you point out you have a different experience, it is not real because it doesn't make sense or it is incorrect, because their experience is the correct one. With regard |
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