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26th June 2018, 04:22 PM | #3201 |
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"A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!" Harleys are **** anyway. Why would anyone want to buy one apart from nostalgia and a sense of patriotism? They have a big problem in that their sales are falling as they are seen for what they are, bikes for nostalgic old men. |
26th June 2018, 04:27 PM | #3202 |
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Trump has an easy option. Just stop with the tariffs. I bet he'd find a willingness on the part of our Western Hemisphere and European partners to take a combined stance on Chinese dumping of steel on all our markets. America First seems to mean that we lose our jobs first.
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26th June 2018, 04:52 PM | #3203 |
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26th June 2018, 04:57 PM | #3204 |
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Ha, I love it. So much winning. If liberals lose their **** at Trump 1.0, I can't wait to see all the tears when they get marched off to the concentration camps.
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26th June 2018, 04:57 PM | #3205 |
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I think he has these placebo tariffs - fake tariffs? - that he can impose and cancel at will just because he's figured out they get a reaction. I'm not sure Trump even cares. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure he doesn't care, as long as someone is paying attention to him. Does he really think promising U.S. consumers they'll pay more for products is a good strategy?
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26th June 2018, 05:01 PM | #3206 |
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26th June 2018, 06:19 PM | #3208 |
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26th June 2018, 06:20 PM | #3209 |
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26th June 2018, 06:32 PM | #3210 |
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26th June 2018, 06:34 PM | #3211 |
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A friend of mine is telling me to expect a big jump up in the popularity polls for DJT thanks to the Supreme Court ruling. He says this will especially happen if Trump now proceeds to ban more Muslim countries and the South and Central American countries immigrants, refuges, and the like are coming from.
He believes that this big positive response to Trump will secure the House and senate in November. His reasoning is that (according to him) two thirds of Americans are like him in that they don't want Muslims and people from (latrine) countries coming to America. Like him they will be so glad that Trump is saving the nation from these enemies that they will vote him in for a second term. I wish I could say for sure he was wrong, but I don't think Trump is going to get the bump he expects. |
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26th June 2018, 06:47 PM | #3212 |
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26th June 2018, 06:53 PM | #3213 |
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SCOTUS decision is as such "one cannot look for animus outside of the wording of a law." Except for the bakery decision in which they looked past the working of the law for animus. Essentially, the SCOTUS majority has no regard for law, precedence, or consistency.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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26th June 2018, 07:19 PM | #3214 |
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26th June 2018, 08:23 PM | #3215 |
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I would actually say that goes for pretty much the whole Supreme Court. For most cases the 9 each start out with their own position based on their political views and then look for law that they can say supports their political position. For a high percentage of cases anyone who pays even a little bit of attention can generally guess what 7 or 8 members of SCOTUS are going to vote based simply on politics. Having a long track record of pure unblinking ideological certainty is practically a necessity to be considered for the court.
This doesn't happen in most other modern democracies. In Canada the SC is not a political body. No one knows the political views of justices, and because the appointment process is not a political one, and is not fought over by the most extreme interest groups, having a long track record of a strong ideological bent politically would more often than not basically disqualify you (with the odd exception such as Harper appointing Brown). |
26th June 2018, 08:40 PM | #3216 |
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Scalia has made disregarding precedence acceptable in Heller. Now it's all about ideology.
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26th June 2018, 08:51 PM | #3217 |
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26th June 2018, 08:53 PM | #3218 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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26th June 2018, 08:59 PM | #3219 |
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I've asked myself that a number of times.
We go back many years and many times I've helped him and he has helped me. In some respects he's like family, and would you have a bigot in your family? But if you're correct about things, the time is going to come where it will be "brother against brother," because I can see him supporting an autocratic government, as long as it put people in their place. Also, alas, I think he'd have unfriended me already were it not for my white privilege. Ironically, he didn't vote for Trump, but if Trump can give him the appearance of a whiter world, he'll vote for him next opportunity. |
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26th June 2018, 09:05 PM | #3220 |
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THat's what I wonder.
None of my actual friends (as opposed to the people who think of me when they say "some of my best friends are black!", but who I do not consider friends at all) voted for Dolt 45. I have, however, had childhood friends who drifted into the Nation of Islam, hotepery (consider this another strain of misogyny and anti-white racism, but with a healthy dose of "Afrocentrism" in it), and the like. And truth told, I just can't be around them much any more.
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27th June 2018, 12:03 AM | #3222 |
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And they are background noise. The failed genetic experiments and products of incest who go to his rallies are just there and there's no point in courting them. What's in play is a small part of the electorate who vote the lesser of two evils. You've got to push them just a bit, like about three percentage points to see Trump as the greater of two evils.
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27th June 2018, 12:10 AM | #3223 |
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27th June 2018, 12:18 AM | #3224 |
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Gotta love GOP money management.
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27th June 2018, 12:29 AM | #3225 |
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You are telling me that there is more to fiscal responsibility than blaming the Democrats?
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27th June 2018, 01:08 AM | #3226 |
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I wish I shared your optimism. I firmly believe that unless there are exceptional circumstances like an economic crash, Donald Trump being arrested or an amazing and inspirational Democratic Party candidate being found that the President has a better than even chance of being re-elected - if he chooses to stand.
I say this because although he "only" has 40% support, that 40% are highly motivated to go out and vote for him and his racist policies. They're also the 40% least likely to have their vote lost by gerrymandering and/or voter suppression. OTOH a significant proportion of the 45%+ who may be thinking of voting for the other candidate need to be inspired to get out and vote and/or risk losing their vote due to the aforementioned gerrymandering and/or voter suppression. I therefore think that the GOP will likely have the Presidency until (at least) 2024 and will retain control of both House and Senate for most, if not all, of that period. Those elder judges aren't going to last for ever and so a 6:3 or 7:2 GOP-leaning SCOTUS is very much on the cards. They will make the laws for a generation so look for states to get to choose on matters such as:
This will allow the majority of the US landmass (though a minority of the population) to slip back to the 1950's where they're clearly more comfortable. Indeed, it may be like an antebellum US where progress is made in the integrated, forward looking states and the backward looking segregationist states talk about things like charm and matters whilst sucking hard on the teat of the government handout machine. |
27th June 2018, 01:24 AM | #3227 |
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Because the words he spoke on the campaign trail (and after the election to Guilliani) point to his intent.
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And the fact that North Korea and Venezuela are on the list doesn't mean the Muslim ban is not based on religious bigotry any more than the fact that Nazi Germany killed gay people didn't mean that anti=semitism wasn't a driving force in the holocaust.
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1) there hadn't been a lot of terrorist activity from individuals immigrating from the countries listed in the ban (Most U.S. terrorist activity is pretty much home grown) 2) The U.S. already had significant vetting of individuals coming from those parts of the world (for example, refugees could easily wait a couple of years before admission into the U.S., undergoing several rounds of interviews with both the U.S. and U.N.) From: https://apnews.com/39f1f8e4ceed4a30a...el-ban-nations Analysts at the Homeland Security Department’s intelligence arm found insufficient evidence that citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries included in President Donald Trump’s travel ban pose a terror threat to the United States. So, anyone who's not a racist would really have a hard time justifying the ban as being necessary to "improve security". In fact, if anything, the muslim ban actually HARMS americans, since: - Many doctors have emigrated to the U.S. from the affected countries, and the U.S. needs more medical people. So by supporting a racist policy with the false goal of "keeping America safe", you're actually making it worse off. - By targeting countries like Iraq, the U.S. may be alienating potential allies, people who might have been willing to assist the U.S. Now that the U.S. has told them "We are racist against you", good luck getting them to help out. So you have a president who spoke at length about wanting a muslim ban, who originally tried to implement a ban that contained only muslim minority countries (before deciding he needed to hide his bigotry a little bit) that actually had the effect of making America less safe. |
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