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24th May 2018, 09:07 AM | #41 |
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24th May 2018, 09:14 AM | #45 |
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You're confused. My first post in this thread, post #3, did not quote anyone because I was not responding to anyone directly. My second post in this thread, post #11, quotes Random's post because I was responding to him.
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24th May 2018, 09:15 AM | #46 |
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Yeah, no I don't expect that. Since I live in this thing called the real world. I do expect police to be hauled off to jail for beating people for disrespect. We've become a police state, and its mind-boggling to me that so many people just shrug their shoulders at that.
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Or they could have asked what he had in his hands. And said thanks for letting them know he had something in his hands but we still need to see them.
Or they could have stuck the damn ticket on his windshield and walked the **** off as they had no other reason for being there. Do cops have to engage and meet every escalation they face? Can they not just turn around and walk off if there is nothing illegal happening? It's like asking a friend to bring a chainsaw over; there will be something cut before he leaves. |
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24th May 2018, 09:20 AM | #49 |
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On that we vehemently agree.
People see cities losing the lawsuits and paying out settlements and think, oh good someone was punished. But the only people being punished are the tax payers who are too distracted to ask for better policing because they are too busy wrapping their car in blue masking tape. |
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24th May 2018, 09:28 AM | #51 |
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Yup, we're one of the poorest areas in the country and we paid out some $23 million in various lawsuits between 2010 and April 2014. There's been some since but I can't find the amount. Number of cops fired: 1 I think.
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24th May 2018, 09:34 AM | #52 |
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Textbook escalation of force procedure IMO.
verbal command: show us your hands refuses to comply officers physically try to remove hands refuses to comply officers physically try to bring down/detain non compliant suspect refuses to comply taser. compliance. Has nothing to do with the parking ticket. |
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24th May 2018, 09:41 AM | #54 |
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The goal is compliance, which was met.
Could've been a lot easier on everyone, but hey, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It's bad optics, at the moment, and in all likelihood could have been solved verbally with a more skilled/nuanced officer and better response. But I dont see any negligent actions here. Just a CYA statement from leadership. |
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This is insane. He was illegally parked. That's right, illegally parked. You can get a ticket for that, you know. The police officer can get out of his car, and write a bunch of stuff on a piece of paper, and put it under your windshield wiper, and you have to pay a fine for this civil infraction.
Where the heck does the cop get off in having any confrontation at all? There is no probable cause that any crime at all has been committed. (Reminder: Parking ticket=civil infraction, not crime. There really is a difference.) What did the cop mean when he said "I own this." No, officer, you don't. You aren't investigating a crime. You don't have the right to stop and frisk here, even if your department's policy allows stop and frisk. There's no crime. There's no evidence of a crime. There's no reason to suspect a crime. , So what's up with, "We are going to wait a while." What authority gives the cop the right to do that? The cops can't just detain a suspect unless the person is a suspect. What was Mr. Brown suspected of? Illegal parking? That was pretty obvious, but it isn't a crime. I've gotten parking tickets before. I never had to wait for backup to arrive while a cop wrote a ticket. And if I mouth off to a cop, or refuse to follow his orders, what ought to happen? Answer, Nothing. Nothing at all. There is no law against mouthing off to cops, and if they are giving orders when there is no reason to suspect a crime has been committed, they are in the wrong, not me. And I'll bet any amount of money that the people defending this idiot cop talk a lot about "freedom", as in Sean Hannity's "Let freedom ring" theme song, or the House of Representatives' Freedom Caucus. Freedom means that the cops can't arbitrarily question you, or detain you, or tackle you, or hit you with a Taser because they don't like your attitude. That would be freedom, and Mr. Brown's freedom was illegally taken from him for a period that night. I hope that Mr. Brown is paid enough that he really decides to negotiate meaningful concessions from the police department instead of just trying to go for the big purse in his lawsuit. In other words, I hope that part of the settlement is some sort of agreement that makes the mayor and chief of police actually stick to their word. They are saying the right words, but will they follow up with actions? That's harder. |
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Exactly cops are generally violent psychopaths with the force of law behind them and total immunity from consequences. The only safe way to deal with them is to lay down with your hand behind your head and they might still shoot you. But that is their job.
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I think bodycams are going to show us more of this ticky-tack escalation by the police. It's pretty clear to me that the cop didn't like Sterling's attitude and went out of his way to escalate the situation to a point where he could justify confrontation and force. The police are supposed to be professionals and not engage in this petty chest puffing and machismo.
Let's not forget the BS obstructing and resisting charges that were quickly dropped when they realized Sterling wasn't some powerless nobody that would plead out. |
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It's also a classic example of after-the-fact justification.
Make sure you move at the correct speed, not too fast or too slow - and the definitions of "too fast" and "too slow" are not communicated ahead of time, and in fact maximum acceptable speed may even be slower than minimum acceptable speed. Levar Jones? Moved "too fast", shot. Philando Castile? Moved "too fast", shot dead. This guy? Moved "too slow", tased. John Crawford III? Moved "too slow", shot dead. Trayvon Martin? First moved "too slow", and then when he noticed someone stalking him, moved "too fast". Shot dead, murderer spent no time in jail, police chief repeatedly defended him publicly. Tamir Rice? Didn't run, so that's "too slow", but somehow also moved "too fast" to drop toy gun. Shot dead. Eric Garner? "Too slow", choked. It's |
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You should really think rather carefully about letting the air out of a strangers car and blocking them in at a drugstore in the middle of the night. A) Maybe they are temporarily incapacitated and don't yet have a handicap sticker. B) Maybe they are the kind of person you really really don't want to piss off. C) Even if they shouldn't have parked there, you have most likely violated the law yourself. If you'd done that to me that night, you'd essentially have faced situation A, B, and/or C.
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If nothing else, it's nice that these threads have fully outed some racists on this forum.
If a cop can't handle giving a parking ticket and walking away, s/he shouldn't be a cop. Any cop who goes along with the aforementioned cop shouldn't be a cop. |
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...nobody in this thread is contesting that Sterling shouldn't have gotten a ticket. People do not think that you should be able to pick and choose what laws they comply with, because they are well aware they are "not the boss." You've set up a strawman and you've shot it down. But it has nothing to do with this discussion.
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Seems a bit of hype over nothing
Dude was a jerk parking in a disability park Cop was an idiot calling for reinforcements when he could have just given him a ticket The dude and the cops standing round looking like awkward idiots 20 minutes not particularly wanting to be there. It just looks more embarrassment with the other cops over the first ones stupidity |
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The stupid cop wasn't the one who got tazed.
I've posted about de-escalation before on these forums. I work as an LEA. De-escalation is a constant mantra. The goal is to be able to walk away from a situation with nobody hurt, including the subject of your attention. If the subject escalates, you attempt to de-escalate. Talk is cheap - in a very literal sense. It costs you nothing to say what the subject needs to hear in order to calm down. |
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