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24th May 2018, 04:54 PM | #122 |
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In the video you watched earlier and immediately accused the cops of being racist.
This is the guy you are siding with instead of the cops:
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Pretty extensive list of crimes he's committed. You can ignore those though and just blame it on "driving while black." link |
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Yes, unless the other officer is escalating the situation. The mere presence of another cop is not an escalation in my opinion.
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One other de-escalation that everybody is ignoring is when the officer told Brown multiple times that he was being recorded. To me that indicates he wanted Brown to understand any further escalation would be recorded and not to be an idiot. |
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...so "walking away" in itself is not de-escalation, as you claimed it was. Gotcha.
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You said what I said was "a lie." Yet here you are, guessing why you think he was detained. If we can't be sure exactly why they detained him, why are you so confident that Brown knew?
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Yeah, that really worked out for the cop, didn't it? That isn't a "de-escalation" technique. In the manner it was being used it escalated tensions. I really don't think you know what de-escalation means. |
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...first hit on google:
https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/b...al-1906751.php And looking further into it I would advise you that no, letting air out of the tyres of a car you don't own is not a very clever idea. |
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As far as I know, parking outside of a designated parking space is worse than parking in the wrong parking space. Intentionally blocking someone in is worse than that.
In short, why don't you leave the law enforcement to the violent pigs to which that duty is assigned by our society? Fortunately, most of the time, they won't go out of their way to harass and provoke a civilian who commits a parking violation. |
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No? No, you're right. The mere presence of another cop is not escalation.
But why is the second (through sixth) cop there? Why did the first cop call for backup? Why did he demand Mr. Brown wait until backup showed up? It was a parking ticket. You don't need backup. You don't even need the offender to be present, much less a second cop. Why call for backup? If Mr. Brown was planning some sort of violence against the cop, he would have done it before backup arrived, right? There's no probable cause that a crime has been committed. There's no reason for searching the car. There's nothing. It's a parking ticket. Write the ticket. Photograph the license plate. Hand it to the driver or stick it under the wiper blade. Job done case closed get on to better things. Why call for backup? The answer should be pretty darned obvious. That cop knew there was going to be a fight. By the way, just in case you think I'm some sort of left winger who always opposes the cops, you're wrong. You aren't even right in this one instance. I am standing with the cops in this case. The Chief of Police could see that this was wrong, and has acted accordingly. He did the right thing. I'm standing with him, and with all the other cops who condemn the actions of Officer "I own this." |
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I've watched the first couple of minutes of the video a few times, and I have to say that I don't think that Brown was trying to force his way past the cop. I think the cop deliberately got in Brown's way then used Brown's approaching him as an excuse to become belligerent.
I've seen this move before in the LARPs I've played, where people try to abuse the rules against physically charging people to slow down opposing players by "inadvertently" stepping in front of them. It's a douchebag move, but once the idea popped into my head, the scene made a lot more sense. Brown is heading to his car, a cop deliberately steps in front of him and tells him to back up, gives him a shove, then starts grilling him. It makes the bit at 2:00 make more sense. "I got up in your face? Really?" Yeah, now I can't unsee it. The cop clearly steps into Brown's path into order to use Brown's "approaching" as an excuse to become belligerent. |
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If Milo or that nazi Spencer guy had parked across multiple disabled spots and flashed their awesomeness to the cops and got treated the same way this would be a completely different thread. This would be a cheering section for the cops.
And who above said "with everything going on in this country right now"? What exactly is going on? The way I see it the media have decided that reporting on racism is the trendy thing to do and is so important that they will report on anything involving a black person and then hope there's racism. Here is another such story. The cops apologize publicly because they are pressured to do so (see previous paragraph). Do people here think the recent reports are due to a spike (Massive Wave) in racism? |
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...except of course if it had been Milo or that nazi Spencer guy who had parked across multiple disabled spots in the early hours of the morning it is very very likely they wouldn't have been treated in the same way. At most they probably would have gotten a ticket. They may even have been told just "not to do it again."
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I certainly would not defend the parking violation. He deserved a ticket. In fact, I would go further and say he deserved a good bit of tongue-lashing for his careless sense of entitlement and his seeming willingness to think laws don't apply when he judges they don't. There''s nothing wrong with a good bout of righteous indignation here.
That has nothing to do with the fact that I also believe the cops fabricated a situation which was beyond the need for a parking violation - even a gross parking violation or a traffic stop - and I believe their demonstrated attitude could easily be perceived as capriciously belligerent and and dangerous, if not fatal, to a black man alone at night. |
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Because he is a *********** moron?
Seriously the "he was afraid if he did what they told him he would be harmed" defense is just laughable. If the man felt that he needs a helper for daily tasks. If a mugger pulls a gun on me and demands my wallet I'm not going to assume he is going to shoot me if I do so. One should extend the police that much courtesy, to assume they are not just out to murder you in full public view. And if you feel that is the case, explain to me how you can morally justify not arming yourself and killing police. |
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It would likely not be a fine but an obstruction charge for wasting the cops time with your stunt. I'm assuming in your scenario you tell the police you intentionally let the air out of your tire.
Otherwise your point boils down to if you lie and get away with it you don't get charged. And im sorry but I saw that on last night's episode of "no **** ". |
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