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11th March 2010, 01:03 PM | #561 |
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Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm glad you can, I know you asked for people to ask questions before you talked to him, I saw the "Roger holding camera on horse" question asked, and as far as that I didn't really think of the other stuff as prominently until after you interviewed him and he gave another view of the costume post Morris recreation.
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So now I'll talk about Gimlin and his treatment of Bob H, as well as court cases brought against Bob H from Gimlin and Patricia Patterson. So let's say this film is a hoax. Patterson knows it, Gimlin knows it, DeAtley knows it. Now let's say Bob H was in the movie asa cowboy, was promised money that he never got, made a suit to hoax on the roadside for kicks, and felt Roger owed him. Sees the Romney thing, and thinks if he claimed to be in the suit when Romney denied it he could be on TV and make some money. So he lies. Now let's say Gimlin and Patterson want to sue this guy. They talk to their lawyer and realize that Bob H was in Patterson's movie, his horse was there, Long's book came out characterizing Patterson as a crook, and somehow in this case they are going to have review this film and try to show the film is the real deal, which they know it's not, or that Bob H wasn't in it, in which case their only alibi is the REAL person in the suit. Pffffffft, there goes the case, there goes the money maker, and public opinion? Whew.... Ok, now let's be fair and say the film is the real deal. Same thing, take it to court and you have to address the film's validity, lawyers don't buy it, judge won't buy it, jury won't buy it, gets torn to shreds and how much money do you want to waste on it? DeAtley's washed his hands of it, he isn't pitching in. Anyways, as I said, I can see the film as a hoax. I just have a really hard time with Bob H's story. |
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Quickly, Wolf, a few points this raises for me...
1) I really need to ask Bob directly about whether or not he dressed up in any Bigfoots to scare people for fun on the roadside or wherever. 2) If Bob decided to lie after he saw Romney deny being Patty, why did he willingly submit to and pass two polygraphs? Remember, the important bit is that he submitted to the process believing that a polygraph would reliably detect any lying on his part. That doesn't make any sense. 3) Roger told Deatley he would go film a Bigfoot and he did. That is just way too much. |
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1) Yeah if you read Long's book, you have Byrne and one of Pattesron's relatives, it's been awhile, I htink he was a nephew but he might have been a younger cousin, anyways both saying Bob H was hoaxing the community in a grey horse hide suit, and then Patterson's last sketch and sighting in his book is a contemporary sighting of a silver squatch on the roadside. Then also in Long's book, I beleive it was Merrit, who was saying his wife saw one peeping in a window at her, they let the dog out and it bit the squatch right in the crotch. Then you have these guys at the bar (several of them) saying they saw Bob H showing off this suit for a period of time, saying something like "We're going to fool them!", yet Bob H said he didn't show it to anybody besides his mom and nephew seeing it (going by memory here) and only had it for less than 3 days, first day filming and staying at a hotel, next day driving home and crashing out, waking on the third day when his mom asked what the costume was, and that night Patterson allegedly took the suit from the trunk.
2) You know, I watched that show where he took the polygraph, and from what I understand it works off of the heart rate. Bob H is asked the first question, again going by memory on what it was, either if he was lying or if he wore the suit, and he screams his answer and you see the needles go all over the place. Camera cuts away, he's asked a second time, only this time he's way calm, almost lucid like he's meditating, answers quietly, and the needles stay steady. I have always thought someone could pass a lie detector test if they were in a meditative calm state and maintained that even while lying, and it looks like what Bob H was doing, not necessarily the lying but the meditating. 3) Heh, that's just the tip of the iceberg. |
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Hey, K., maybe you could ask Morris which (if any) of the lines at the following collage are closer to the original costume's parts.
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So....Heironimus said that the legs of the suit "felt like hip waders"?
Well...Patty's legs mimic, very nicely, the look of ALL-NATURAL legs...especially on the backside, where the shape/contour is determined predominately by soft flesh, and muscle, rather than by bone... Fantastic work by Roger. It's a shame he never revealed any of the suit's 'inner workings' to Bob, though. |
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Although I've heard of BH's roadside antics, I never knew it was a grey horsehide suit. I wonder if he made it? It looks like Dfoot's theory about those sightings being due to a Corrigan suit has some serious competition. As for the clothes under the suit issue, does anyone know the temperature of Bluff Creek in October and/or what Bob H. said he was wearing? I've linked to pics of men in sweatsuits emerging from Godzilla suits before (filmed under very bright-and hot-lights), so some types of clothes might not be out of the question. As for the face, I see no issue in swapping out the face of a mask if the mask has the desired head shape, but the facial features don't match what the person in charge wants. Especially if modification would be impossible or more expensive. This might be an example of that in action. Not sure if the suits match, though. These links also offer other ways a costume or mask can stink. I suspect the implication is that the leather was improperly prepared and rotting. That said, I'm still skeptical of Bob H's story. He's looking more and more like a prankster who saw his chance for a major (and profitable) prank. Oh, and it doesn't say much about "newspaper man" Green's journalistic skills if he really did screw up a quote like that. Bonus links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Costume http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_Corrigan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Calvert |
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He doesn't need to be a hoaxer or a liar to make up facts as the years go on. He's probably been a storyteller his entire life and he may think the straight story isn't interesting enough so he embellishes it. That doesn't automatically mean he wasn't the bloke in the suit.
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Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6 |
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I'm mesmerized. The back of the leg is not concave or zig-zagging like an accordian, but rather looks like a leg. I was distracted by the ridiculous, crackless bubble butt, and the goofy slipper feet, but yes, I see that now. I'll be sure to ask Bob if he thought the legs felt loose or tight on him.
In the meantime, Sweaty, I would like you to address post #527 regarding Bob being a liar. Can you do that, please? |
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Bob H and the grey horsehide suit came from Long's Book, Byrne mentions Bob H was known as a hoaxer in the community and Patterson's nephew (may be his cousin, it has to have been about 5 years since I read the book) said Bob H hoaxed with a grey horse hide suit. Patterson's book has the silvery sasquatch sighting in it, right at the end and with a sketch, I can post that later if you want.
Anybody know where this whole Pattesron and Merrit worked at Corriganville thing originated from? Was it just from Dfoot, or somewhere else? I'd really like some osrt of reliable source of confirmation of that, "Crash" being the gorilla man guy.
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But all of these are valid reasons you point out for it stinks and I don't really have an objection to them. What really bugs me though, about the whole stink thing, is Bob H initially said the suit stank because Roger skinned a dead red horse, and then now with Morris's suiting him up and the recreation he changes the suit to be made of dynel, and only the mask stank.
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Great to hear your thoughts on this, Atomic, the whole costume aspect is my favorite part of discussing this film. Hey, could you give a little more background on what you do for that horror website, I read the link about knock off masks, do you guys go into costumes and how they were made? |
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Patty's extreme 'elbow-reach' TRUMPS all of your gobbledy-gook, posted above. Sorry. BY DA WAY....... I see you still can't SHOW where, and to what extent, there are any errors in that upper-arm comparison....and, also, in the measurements of Patty's extreme elbow-reach. Keep up the good work, kitz! |
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I feel exactly the same way, wolfy....I don't have anything at all against Bob being Patty...and, strangely, at the very same time....I just can't 'buy' his story...in the least! It's just one of those weeeeeeeeiiiiiird things....it sounds contradictory, yet it really isn't....while, at the very same time....it is!!! Get it??! (Oh, I also agree with ya', that Bob probably just forgot everything about the event. ) |
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Wow, so basically all of your "Analysis" was BS? I'm glad you finally came to realize this, there's hope for you yet.
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Doesn't being so cowardly get tiresome? Once again, I'm asking you to discuss things that are true under the assumption that your copypasta is correct.
How do you think skeptics and proponents are interpreting your childish behaviour here and your refusal to engage in discussing the topic of the thread? Do you think anyone thinks you're being clever in any way? Do you think anyone sees you as anything other than intellectually cowardly and dishonest? If so, that would be consistent with your other irrational beliefs.
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I see you still won't bother to SHOW where, and to what extent, there are any errors in that upper-arm comparison....and, also, in the measurements of Patty's extreme elbow-reach until I demonstrate I am willing to engage in honest discussion like an adult. If you want to keep demanding people jump through hoops while you do nothing, enjoy yourself. Every single reader here knows the only one here incapable is you, and that's of being mature and reasonable. |
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1) Elbows aside, what do you think is the most contradictory thing regarding Bob's testimony?
2) Roger Patterson's money man and brother-in-law, Al DeAtley, told veteran Bigfoot researcher Peter Byrne after many attempts to get him to speak that the PGF was a fake and that Roger had told Al he was going to film a Bigfoot at Bluff Creek before he left Yakima. Is that not an indicator of hoaxing? Yes or no. Sweaty will now copypasta #1 and just completely ignore #2. Fear is the mind killer. |
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Here's something for Sweaty to play with...
Sweaty, doing comparisons between Patty and ballerinas is fine and well, but I put something more appropriate together for you. How about you run your "elbow reach analyisis" on this guy here... Bob Heironimus is just about 6'2" and you think Patty is taller than that. Let's put aside the 72"/6ft ballerina and Bob for a moment. Let's give this guy a height of over 6'2". Let's say a conservative 6'4" for what Patty would be, either real Bigfoot or guy with great big shoulder pads and a padded helmet. How does this guy come out in your " elbow reach analysis" when compared to Patty? Remember, I know his real height and his real arm length. |
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Yep, Sebastien Chabal is a freak of nature. Check out his arms in this photo.
After catching up on all the buzz of your upcoming documentary, "Kitakaze: Bigfoot Killer!", I recommend you start packin' around a good digital camera with video/audio capabilities, and begin collecting footage yourself. You'll need some sample footage to pitch your story anyway. This is guerrilla film making on the cheap. Keep in mind that a documentary script is quite a different animal from a book. You'll likely need a literary agent either way, who'll actually pitch your stuff for 10%. Now back on topic. I can't wait until you ask Bob H to discuss how he placed his glass eye in the eyehole of the mask. This is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder about Bob. There's a film artifact on Patty's right eye in a blow-up of frame 352, which Bob claimed was a reflection from his glass eye. Likewise with the wallet/hernia thing. One thing for certain, is that Bob hasn't been sitting under a rock not paying attention to the PGF all these years. Some of his stories have curiously evolved with the conventions of the film. Lastly, I was wondering if Roger actually told DeAtley the film was a hoax, or did he just assume it was? Was he in on the hoax from the inception, or was he just a silent partner and the less he knew the better? Ask me no secrets.. Good luck with your project Kit! |
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WikiMedia has a good side on shot for direct comparison to "Patty".
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Here is how the guy compares with Patty....as far as his body proportions go... I scaled Patty so that her 'walking height' is a little shorter than his 'standing height'....then I chose a height of 72"...and measured their 'elbow reaches'. I drew a line where his arm/elbow would be, if his arm was out at an angle comparable to Patty's...about 45-degrees. The length of his arm is 98 pixels, in both positions highlighted. (The man's exact height doesn't matter, when comparing his body proportions to Patty's body proportions.) Patty's elbow-reach doesn't have any correction factor applied, to adjust for it's fore-shortened length...so the difference may actually be a little greater than what the graphic shows. The only unknown factor, in Patty's measurement, is how much the reach is distorted by the fact that Patty's arm is swung slightly forward...(making the 'reach' appear longer than it actually is.) But the graphic with the Ballet teacher shows that that error-factor would only be a minor error, and may just about 'equal out' the fore-shortening error-factor. |
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How about using an image of Patty seen from behind?
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You know, maybe I only saw the sweatsuit picture(s) here and got them mixed up with my posts. Correa, did you post anything like what I'm talking about? If you want, you could contact August Ragone about the existence of such pictures or search Youtube for something like "nakajima godzilla behind the scenes." That would probably yield faster results than what my schedule permits. I haven't had the time to check thoroughly, but some links found here might be of use (although I think the links are text-only), as could this site and the documentary noted here. As for your bodysuit idea, I'm currently drawing a blank on any examples of someone wearing one under a monster suit. That certainly doesn't mean it hasn't been before, just that I can't offer any commentary other than it does seem like a pretty good idea. I should note that the following responses are purely hypothetical and are an excuse for me to talk monster suits:
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News update.
I'll be speaking with Greg Long tomorrow by phone. If anyone has suggestions for questions for Long, feel free to post them.
One thing I was surprised to discover is that Greg Long had a falling out with Kal Korff, who wrote the foreward to The Making of Bigfoot, got the book published, pitched the book to the publisher, wrote small portions of the book and assisted in editing the book. Greg Long had his laywer send Korff a letter threatening to sue for libel and slander if Korff were to claim responsibility for anything to do with the book. Surprisingly, Greg also told Bob Heironimus that he would not be needed after the book was published. Finally, I had no idea Greg Long was such a devout Christian, but after reading his book, I am not surprised. I don't mean to imply that Greg's religion is any sort of character flaw, but it does help to understand some of his thoughts regarding Roger Patterson. Check this out...
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I'd love to get some hard confirmation on the airport issue, which could potentially kill the excuse by some proponents that the film was merely lumped in with another flight. In regard to the brief comments about Zana, meet Julia Pastrana. Here's an oldie but goodie: "Oh, and pages 89-96 and 113-115 of this preview for Anatomy of a Beast: Obsession and Myth on the Trail of Bigfoot by Michael McLeod have some really interesting details about the PGf. Page 113 is especially interesting to me because it notes that DeAtely gave Gimlin $700 at the time he was booted off the film's earning stream." Perhaps Gimlin thought (or Patterson and DeAtely thought he thought) he couldn't sue since he had already accepted payment/agreed to get bought out. Or then again, Patterson could have suffered from some condition that compelled him to screw over people (as many in Yakima had experienced). Finally here's a suit note "trilogy" of sorts. |
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I agree that Bob's testimony has problems. The wallet thing is weird, as well as the glass eye. I'll be talking with Bob about it after he comes home on Thursday. I said earlier...
Personally, I think Bob came to Bluff Creek either October 16th or 18th, possibly. I base this on that fact that he said to Greg Long that Roger and Bob came to his house in Gimlin's one ton truck to get Chico on a Friday or Saturday (Oct 13th or 14th) and that he was told to come later and left on maybe a Monday or Wednesday. If Chico was gone eight days and Roger and Bob left Bluff Creek the morning of Saturday, October 21st, the timing is perfect. Atomic, let's assume BH is lying. Why did Bob try to protect Patterson and deny any involvement in both the South Fork documentary and being in the suit when Greg Long first comes to him? Why does he pass not one, but two polygraphs later when he comes out? Why does he screw his friend who lives on the same street as him? Why does he maintain a relationship with Gimlin if he did? Why doesn't Gimlin sue Heironimus? Why doesn't Patty? She's gotten money hand over fist for the film. Also, I really need to ask Bob about this grey horsehide suit thing. |
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Thanks for not finding any significant error in my man/Patty 'elbow-reach' comparison, kitakaze........as always, you never can.
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SweatyYeti, why do you say that? I never agreed to do any such thing. I agreed to show the specific errors in your comparisons once you agreed to engage in normal human discussion on equal terms where the questions of both parties are addressed with equal honesty and sincerity.
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Sweaty, I've already shown several reasons that your elbow-reach analysis is deeply flawed. You ignore these, pretending that I never posted them or that I don't exist, in favor of playing word-games with Kitakaze, demonstrating yet again that you have no interest in rational debate.
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The wisdom of Diogenes.... "So far, I am not aware of any evidence which indicates with any degree of likeliness, however small, that Bigfoot creatures exist....anywhere in the world." tyr13: "There is no proof of bigfoot so there is no proof that bigfoot isn't a bear." |
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I've already done so in the pages of this thread. I will not waste my time re-posting them to suit your juvenile game.
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Sweaty, you constantly distort what skeptics say. You can't engage in discussion with one without distorting what they say and making strawmen. Saying that skeptics treat anyone who even considers the chance of Bigfoot existing is a prime example.
You simply fear to discuss issues about the PGF that are strong indicicators of a hoax. That is the sign of a fanatic and someone with an inability to be intellectually honest. What's that? Roger pulled a Babe Ruth and told his financier that he's going to Bluff Creek to film a Bigfoot and make them rich? Sorry, Sweaty can't respond because he's huddling in a corner.
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It works like this....... Scenario #1: Man wanders/mozies/staggers through the wilderness....doesn't come across a Bigfoot.....and "Critical Thinker" concludes...."HA!! I knew it....Bigfoot is a Myth!!!" Scenario #2: People find Bigfoot tracks in a wilderness area...Man goes and wanders/rides horsey/staggers around the wilderness area...(which has potential Bigfoot tracks in it)....and, after a week or two, comes out of wilderness with Film of said Beast....and the "Critical Thinker" concludes....."HA!! I knew it....Bigfoot is a HOAX...it's a Myth!!!" "From the Superior mind comes Superior Logic" Btw...what would Roger have been expected to say to his financier....."Please loan us a big chunk of money, sir....I seriously doubt we'll actually cross paths with this thing....it being a myth, and all....but, hey, you just never know!! What do you say??!" |
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The wisdom of Diogenes.... "So far, I am not aware of any evidence which indicates with any degree of likeliness, however small, that Bigfoot creatures exist....anywhere in the world." tyr13: "There is no proof of bigfoot so there is no proof that bigfoot isn't a bear." |
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Atomic, excellent posts! Outstanding sources. I've got to run but had to read what what was written, and of course I'm going to be spending a lot more time later reading these excellent links. Thanks!
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The point of the statement is simply that there is NO (Bigfoot-related) question that a skeptic can ask me, that I am afraid to answer. I'll answer any question...as long as it's asked by someone other than kitakaze, and it's asked over on Melissa's Board. |
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The wisdom of Diogenes.... "So far, I am not aware of any evidence which indicates with any degree of likeliness, however small, that Bigfoot creatures exist....anywhere in the world." tyr13: "There is no proof of bigfoot so there is no proof that bigfoot isn't a bear." |
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Actually, he could start by providing some evidence, and then work up to "better quality", from there! |
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