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Old 25th April 2010, 09:45 PM   #1041
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What they're saying here is that the suit was in Bob's mother's car for one day.
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Old 25th April 2010, 09:48 PM   #1042
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Originally Posted by wolftrax View Post

Also, this timeline is working with the film delivery and processing timeline, which has always been problematic. Long thought by Bob H's description of the holiday banner in the nearby town that this took place much earlier, but Bob H's dates seem to revolve around the published timeline and further complicate how it was delivered and processed.

Wasn't Bob H's mom on the way to church or something, so what day was that on, a Sunday or Saturday as now being claimed?
Kit did not say that Bob H. said the film was shot on Oct. 20. Kit said that Bob's mother found it on Oct. 21. Even Long seems to miss this point. I'm sure he will clarify this further.
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Old 25th April 2010, 09:49 PM   #1043
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Originally Posted by wolftrax View Post
Wasn't Bob H's mom on the way to church or something, so what day was that on, a Sunday or Saturday as now being claimed?
Opal was putting boxes in the trunk to go get apples when she found the suit. It scared her at first because she thought it was an animal. This was the morning after Bob returned around 10:00 am per her usual routine. Bob said they had Chico about eight days. He said Patterson and Gimlin left on Friday or Saturday, and then he came the Tuesday or Wednesday after. He had driven to the meeting point of Bluff Creek Company store and met them at 5:00 pm. He mailed the film from Eureka the same day as filming. This would have been Wednesday or Thursday. The whole trip took 3 days.

My thinking was that all this occured between Friday, October 13th and Saturday, October 21st.
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Old 25th April 2010, 10:01 PM   #1044
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If the filming was on Wednesday, then he would have gotten home late Thursday night. He could have gone to work Friday. Opal could have found the suit on Friday the 20th or Saturday, the 21st. Patterson and Gimlin could not have been there until Sunday. The film mailing and processing seems possible if he mailed it on Wednesday.
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Old 25th April 2010, 11:47 PM   #1045
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Originally Posted by kitakaze View Post
He said Patterson and Gimlin left on Friday or Saturday, and then he came the Tuesday or Wednesday after. He had driven to the meeting point of Bluff Creek Company store and met them at 5:00 pm. He mailed the film from Eureka the same day as filming. This would have been Wednesday or Thursday. The whole trip took 3 days.
Wait, is this timeline what he actually said, or are you putting this together from him saying that the whole trip took 3 days? Did he actually say what day they did the filming on?
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Old 26th April 2010, 12:22 AM   #1046
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I found this:
Originally Posted by William Parcher
This is what Bob Heironimus says in the Tom Biscardi radio show, March 2007:

Roger and Bob Gimlin arrived at Bluff Creek three days before BH did, in order to find a spot to film BH in the suit. P&G arrived on a Sunday, and BH arrived on a Wednesday. The following morning after BH arrived (a Thursday), they rode the horses to the spot while transporting the suit in a "hop sack" (named for carrying hops - as in beer hops I imagine). P&G helped BH put on the suit. Roger gave general directions about where to walk and told BH to turn and look back at him at a certain location in the walk path.

BH: "...this was October. Around the first week of October, second week of October, whatever it was..."

"It was hot." BH is speaking of the temperature that day. He also mentions that it was very hot inside the suit.

So, Bob Heironimus says that it was shot on a Thursday - but he does not say (seems not to recall) if it was the first week, or the second week of October.

Given this, Bob Heironimus is saying that the film of him wearing the suit at Bluff Creek was taken on either October 5, or October 12.

Here is is again for anyone to cut and paste anywhere they want on the World Wide Web...

On March 14, 2007, during the Tom Biscardi "Bigfoot Live" radio show, Bob Heironimus said that Roger Patterson filmed him walking in a Bigfoot suit across a sandbar at Bluff Creek, California on either October 5, 1967, or October 12, 1967.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ostcount=10934

So given this, if the filming was on the 12th, and Bob H stayed in a log covered building/hotel/motel/some place that rents a room, drove for 14 hours and the 13th, suit was found on the 14th by his mom and that night taken by Patterson, it does leave plenty of time for film processing, but a different date than the one you've given here.

What's the deal with the different dates? What dates did he give Long, and what dates did he give you?
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Old 26th April 2010, 01:18 AM   #1047
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Originally Posted by wolftrax View Post
Wait, is this timeline what he actually said, or are you putting this together from him saying that the whole trip took 3 days? Did he actually say what day they did the filming on?
No, wolf. That was me trying to put it together from the book and from what Bob told me. He never gave a specific date for the film being taken.
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Old 26th April 2010, 02:24 AM   #1048
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So these dates weren't given?

Originally Posted by Kitakaze
Bob said that he knew John Ballard and that John had been confused. The suit found in his trunk was the PGF suit. That suit was found by his mother on the morning of Saturday, October 21st around 10:00 am. Bob's mother, aunt and cousin John Miller had all seen the suit. It was removed that night from the trunk when Patterson and Gimlin came to drop off Chico (they took only Chico and Peanuts to Bluff Creek) and get the suit. Opal saw Gimlin's green one ton truck with the Chico and the other horse in it, but Bob said he thought he was out at the time.
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Old 26th April 2010, 05:00 AM   #1049
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Originally Posted by kitakaze View Post

Bob's memory of that night is hazy, which makes sense if he did stop after the drive at the Idle Hour Tavern. In Long's book he said he arrived back in Yakima in the afternoon or evening. Les Johnson and Merle Warehime stated that Bob showed the suit to some people that night at the Idle Hour. Bob said to me specifically that he thought he was at work at the time. It's 2010. I don't expect his memory to be perfect. He said he doesn't remember every little detail. What we do know is that Opal Heironimus, her sister Willa and Bob's nephew John Miller all claimed to see the suit, and touch it.

But here's what doesn't make sense...

Here is the comparison again, showing Heironimus with about 2" of padding on his side, next to Patty...





....that 2" worth of padding doesn't quite make his torso width match Patty's....so, that means that the alleged suit had to have padding at least 2"..and probably more like 3" thick on the sides.....a solid 3" thick on the back...and, since the butt protrudes outwards from the lower back, that would have been a good 4" or 5" thick.

But.....Bob never noticed an "inner-core padding" to the suit... .....between his practice with the suit, in Roger's (?) garage....then the actual day of the shoot....and the days after the shoot, while he was showing the suit to his friends.


Bob's memory of the event is a little "hazy".....and he was as blind as a bat....to boot.
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Old 26th April 2010, 09:33 AM   #1050
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You had me at "unequivocable." Just make sure the cabin doesn't burn down.
(unequivocal + incontrovertible)/2 = unequivocable

At any rate, Leon Festinger demonstrated many years ago that for true believers, even "unequivocable" won't be enough.

well, I guess imaginations will run wild for a while. I would like to believe that one of the fake boobs fell off in Opal's Buick, and she thought it was a Russian fur hat all these years...wore it every winter. If this is what happened, I would suggest calling the National Enquirer immediately. No help needed.
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Old 26th April 2010, 09:46 AM   #1051
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Originally Posted by wolftrax View Post
So these dates weren't given?
As you saw, I took notes from his appearance on the Biscardi radio show. BH didn't state the actual dates and instead said which weeks and what day of the week. I went to a calendar to figure out what the actual dates would have been.

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BH: "...this was October. Around the first week of October, second week of October, whatever it was..."
He says that he arrived at Bluff Creek on a Wednesday and they filmed him Thursday (the following day). So this is either October 5, or October 12. IMO, it could not have been October 19 (third week of October) because this still would not have allowed enough time for film shipment and then processing.
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Old 26th April 2010, 12:01 PM   #1052
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BFF thread re-opens

with warnings.
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Old 26th April 2010, 12:52 PM   #1053
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Originally Posted by wolftrax View Post
So these dates weren't given?
I put the dates of Oct. 14, 1967 early morning P&G leaving Yakima from...

1) Bob saying to Greg Long that Roger left on a Friday or Saturday and that he came the Tuesday or Wednesday following...

2) Bob saying to me that P&G had Chico for about eight days. This was in response to me relating Gimlin saying when asked about Chico that he was breaking the horse in for Bob and had Chico for a few weeks. Bob also said Chico was already broken in.

3) Jerry Lee merritt saying that Patterson showed up at his home at 4:00 the morning he was leaving, and tried to get Jerry to come to Bluff Creek, as was their agreement.

4) Al Hodgson saying Patterson called him shortly after 6:00 pm from a pay phone outside Hodgson's Willow Creek Variety Store on Firday, Oct. 20 to tell him about the film. Het met Roger and Bob around 7:00 pm at the store. Al said Roger had told him of mailing the film from Eureka.

5) Opal Heironimus saying she saw the suit in her trunk at about 10:00 am the morning after Bob returned.

6) Roger showing the film at Al DeAtley's on Sunday, Oct. 22.

I had forgotten to take into account Bob's interview on Bigfoot live Radio where he said it was the first or second week of October and that it was hot at Bluff Creek.
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Old 26th April 2010, 04:05 PM   #1054
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I bet BH knows who processed/edited the films.
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I bet BH knows who processed/edited the films.
I'll bet you money it was someone in the porn industry that actually processed the film. P&G were afraid of the taint having an underground porn producer processing the film would put on their efforts so they fudged the details to try and cover that part up.
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Old 26th April 2010, 05:28 PM   #1056
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Old 26th April 2010, 06:29 PM   #1058
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Maybe Patty having breasts was all a part of some bigger inside joke with said porn producer? I mean, one of the fringe benefits of producing porn would be all the unfettered glimpses of ****. We don't know, he could have easily told Patterson "The creature has to have **** or I walk mister!"
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Old 27th April 2010, 06:29 AM   #1059
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I'll bet you money it was someone in the porn industry that actually processed the film. P&G were afraid of the taint having an underground porn producer processing the film would put on their efforts so they fudged the details to try and cover that part up.
I seem to have read this before. Another lame excuse explanation is that someone developed it outside his/hers regular work period. I guess it was suggested by LAL, but I'm not sure.
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I am not an expert in photometry, but from what I can glean from Bill's report, the calculated height of the subject depends on the measured height of the image of the subject, as well as the distance from the camera.
Furthermore, it seems that Bill is also using assumptions about John Green's footage, taken the next year.
This has been my beef all along.

Bill is not an expert in photogrammetry and the tool he used to model the Bluff creek film is not a photogrammetry tool either.

If only Bill would supply the original scans rather than the rubbish reproductions he has on his site (like he promised) that he made of the footage we might be able to check, even determine, the distances between subjects on the film with objectivity and the "forensic" back up of proper photogrammetric software and algorithms.
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Originally Posted by masterbarber on BFF
So you're saying the footage with this white pack horse was filmed in WA?

Originally Posted by kitakaze on BFF
Yes...

Bob Heironimus told you that there was no packhorse at Bluff Creek when he went there to be filmed. Did he specifically tell you that the only horses there were Chico and Peanuts? Please ask him to confirm or deny the following:

1. He is sitting on his own horse Chico in the actors line-up pic as well as the downhill incline riding clip.

2. Patterson is sitting on Peanuts in the actors line-up pic.

Then please ask about this scene. Are we looking at Patterson riding Peanuts pulling a white packhorse at Bluff Creek? If not, can he describe the scene?




Then please ask about this scene. Are we looking at Gimlin riding Chico pulling a white packhorse at Bluff Creek? If not, can he describe the scene?




KKZ, Bob told you that there was no packhorse at Bluff Creek when he went there. Do not then assume that any footage showing a packhorse cannot have be taken at Bluff Creek. P&G were at Bluff Creek on more occasions than when BH says he came to be filmed. If BH is accurate, then I was wrong about something. I thought we have a scene of BG riding Chico at Bluff Creek pulling a packhorse (see above).
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One hot, lazy summer afternoon.....Phil Morris returned from the kitchen with a freshly made ice-cold tea, to relax in his favorite recliner......when, as he flipped through the channels.....enjoying a nice, loooong sip of his ice-cold tea....he suddenly blurted out, amidst a spray of freshly made ice-cold tea....."Mabel, quick, come look!!....it's MY suit...on tv!!!...I'd know it anywhere!!"...


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Wow. almost every 'muscle' and seam are in the exact spot.
The face is close, the hands look good. It really isn't that far off.
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Wow. almost every 'muscle' and seam are in the exact spot.
The face is close, the hands look good. It really isn't that far off.
In the spirit of the James Randi Foundation, I am tempted to offer a one million dollar prize for anyone who can convincingly demonstrate the normal contraction (nb: not the apparent effect) of any well-defined, visible mass aka "muscle" seen in/on the subject of the PG movie.

Of course I don't have a million dollars, but I would buy the winner a decent bottle of Scotch. Anyone who thinks he can do it, had better bone up on anatomy and physiology before making their presentation.
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The face is close, the hands look good. It really isn't that far off.
I actually thought the same thing - especially the hands. Check out the calf musculature too.

So exactly what is it that the 'footers think makes the reproduction on the right such a poor match for "Patty?" Can they really not get their minds past the color difference?
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Of course I don't have a million dollars, but I would buy the winner a decent bottle of Scotch. Anyone who thinks he can do it, had better bone up on anatomy and physiology before making their presentation.
Any claim to muscle movement whether it is correct or incorrect could be summarily dismissed by you as a feature of a padded costume, with a follow up by you of 'show that it is muscle movement'. But I'll take the bottle of Scotch.
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Any claim to muscle movement whether it is correct or incorrect could be summarily dismissed by you as a feature of a padded costume, with a follow up by you of 'show that it is muscle movement'. But I'll take the bottle of Scotch.
I guess this means I won't be collecting any entry fees, right? but take note, any who have an interest, I don't say "movement."
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KKZ, Bob told you that there was no packhorse at Bluff Creek when he went there. Do not then assume that any footage showing a packhorse cannot have be taken at Bluff Creek. P&G were at Bluff Creek on more occasions than when BH says he came to be filmed. If BH is accurate, then I was wrong about something. I thought we have a scene of BG riding Chico at Bluff Creek pulling a packhorse (see above).
You are correct, WP, and thanks for the help. I'll call BH back today and ask him what he remembers.
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Originally Posted by Bitter Monk
I'll bet you money it was someone in the porn industry that actually processed the film. P&G were afraid of the taint having an underground porn producer processing the film would put on their efforts so they fudged the details to try and cover that part up.
The porn thing is commonly used as a bigfoot band-aid to explain how Patterson got the film developed on weekend. Thing is, they'd have no need to rush the film's development if they shot the film before the alleged filming date (as suggested by the timeline issues) and could use any legit developer. But they would still want to keep this under wraps, as any revelation that the film was developed prior to the claimed shooting date would kill the film.
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Old 27th April 2010, 02:21 PM   #1070
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Originally Posted by Drewbot
Wow. almost every 'muscle' and seam are in the exact spot.
Don't forget, that image comes from a promotional poster that seemed to shown signs of "airbrushing" or "smoothing" of some kind. Only images from the recreation attempt (or a second go-round with the suit) should be used to compare details on Patty with.

Oh, and you have an e-mail kit...
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Old 27th April 2010, 02:29 PM   #1071
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Originally Posted by AtomicMysteryMonster View Post
Oh, and you have an e-mail kit...
Ding dong.

BTW, here's something Philip Morris said to me...

He asked me to consider why Patterson hadn't just taken his 16mm film he just took of Bigfoot to a nearby television studio for processing. He said that back in those days most major tv studios that did news coverage had to have their own processing rigs for 16mm. I thought it seemed a interesting, but it didn't quite make sense to me.
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Old 27th April 2010, 02:35 PM   #1072
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One hot, lazy summer afternoon.....Phil Morris returned from the kitchen with a freshly made ice-cold tea, to relax in his favorite recliner......when, as he flipped through the channels.....enjoying a nice, loooong sip of his ice-cold tea....he suddenly blurted out, amidst a spray of freshly made ice-cold tea....."Mabel, quick, come look!!....it's MY suit...on tv!!!...I'd know it anywhere!!"...


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...rballComp1.jpg
For those unaware, that photo of Bob in the Morris suit has been modified to the hilt. The body was widened, definition added, photoshopped over a fake background, feet missing, etc. It's a highly doctored promotional graphic for Nat Geo. Kinda like airbrushing cover models.

That said, Morris supposedly did recognize "his" suit in the PGF. But he never made a bigfoot suit in 67, so he must have thought he saw one of his gorilla suits..that someone modified into a bigfoot suit. So what part of the suit did he recognize? Not the head, not the t & a, not the legs, not the feet...which part(s)?

ETA: What AMM said.

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Old 27th April 2010, 02:52 PM   #1073
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Old 27th April 2010, 02:53 PM   #1074
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Wah Chang jumped out of his chair when he seen the head...
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Old 27th April 2010, 02:54 PM   #1075
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Originally Posted by wolftrax
Well, you know he will have one of his original ape suits from the 60s in there, the old bait and switch, but this page is also very good for showing how he is totally capitalizing on this whole "Bigfoot kookery" thing.
Oh, I'm sure it won't be the original and he'll have some lame excuse for having such a claim on his site. I suspect any of his old ape suits would have long since deteriorated into an unusable/unrecognizable state by now. If he did manage to have an actual surviving suit from the time, it would contradict his claim of not having one and needing to make the recreation suit from different materials.

I just remembered that in one of Mark Chorvinsky's article on the alleged Chambers/Patterson connection, it was mentioned that Chambers had asked someone in the industry (Landis?) to stop saying he was involved in the PGF. It was either this one or this one. This is further proof of Chambers denying his involvement/trying to quash such rumors to people in the industry. Again, this was before the Short interview.

One of those articles notes that at least one person in the industry gave support to the rumor due to his feeling that Patty's body resembled a fursuit from "Lost in Space" (a show that John Chambers had some connections with). I seem to recall someone poo-pooing Chambers' alleged involvement due to his schedule not being free due to the shooting time. This shows that not everyone in the industry believed it and how those that did believe didn't feel that the suit was realistic.

These, and possibly the alleged statement that Chambers enjoyed that the film was shot at a place named "Bluff" Creek that I linked to much earlier in this discussion, all point to Chambers denying involvement and not being impressed with the suit. So why did he say otherwise to Bobbie Short?

In an unrelated note, this has some interesting tidbits on the NASI report. The next page is also worth a read.
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Old 27th April 2010, 02:58 PM   #1076
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A blast from the past:

On page 37, Chapter 5 of How to Operate a Financially Successful Haunted House by Philip Morris and Dennis Phillips. (1997 Morris Costumes. ISBN: 0-911137-11-4. Library of Congress # 87-80906), it is written:

"A lot of publicity stunts will be covered by the press and electronic media. One of the authors of this book pulled a classic stunt to promote the opening of his new costume shop. It went like this: A friend of his from his old circus days called and told him he would be through his area in a few hours to talk and visit. The fellow happened to be an elephant trainer, and always traveled with a few bulls (elephants). So the wheels of publicity began to turn and an idea emerged in the author's head. He called the local newspaper and radio station and explained that he was the owner of the local costume company and they had just received a contract to manufacture some elephant costumes and blankets and the big international circus star and all of his elephants would be arriving shortly. What followed is a classic funny story. In comes a motor home and tractor trailer and the two old friend meet with TV camera cranking out film and newspapers grabbing pictures. The elephant trainer had no idea what was happening! He soon caught on and went along with the stunt. He unloaded an elephant in the parking lot and they began to take measurements and put on a big show. When they went to move the truck, the trainer was having problems starting the engine, so the elephants were brought around to "give a push!" This story and the pictures dominated the 6 o' clock news and feature page for the next day, It didn't cost the author a penny! This is a fine example of using your imagination and exploiting all the possibilities."
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Old 27th April 2010, 03:06 PM   #1077
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Old 27th April 2010, 03:06 PM   #1078
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A blast from the past:

On page 37, Chapter 5 of How to Operate a Financially Successful Haunted House by Philip Morris and Dennis Phillips. (1997 Morris Costumes. ISBN: 0-911137-11-4. Library of Congress # 87-80906), it is written:

"A lot of publicity stunts will be covered by the press and electronic media. One of the authors of this book pulled a classic stunt to promote the opening of his new costume shop. It went like this: A friend of his from his old circus days called and told him he would be through his area in a few hours to talk and visit. The fellow happened to be an elephant trainer, and always traveled with a few bulls (elephants). So the wheels of publicity began to turn and an idea emerged in the author's head. He called the local newspaper and radio station and explained that he was the owner of the local costume company and they had just received a contract to manufacture some elephant costumes and blankets and the big international circus star and all of his elephants would be arriving shortly. What followed is a classic funny story. In comes a motor home and tractor trailer and the two old friend meet with TV camera cranking out film and newspapers grabbing pictures. The elephant trainer had no idea what was happening! He soon caught on and went along with the stunt. He unloaded an elephant in the parking lot and they began to take measurements and put on a big show. When they went to move the truck, the trainer was having problems starting the engine, so the elephants were brought around to "give a push!" This story and the pictures dominated the 6 o' clock news and feature page for the next day, It didn't cost the author a penny! This is a fine example of using your imagination and exploiting all the possibilities."
So I guess "the author" didn't go to the papers and tv stations about the gorilla/Bigfoot costume, now did he? Certainly had the opportunity for the first oh, 36 years. Instead, he finally talks to a minor journalist and makes it into an add on chapter in a book that sells badly. Nice try.
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Abraham Zapruder tried to get his super 8 Kodachrome developed 4 years earlier in Dallas at TV stations. Fail. x 2 TV stations. One was WFAA, which I believe was the Dallas Morning News station. Finally took it to the Dallas Kodak Plant. YOU COULDN'T GET 16mm (or Super8, basically same developing thing) KODACHROME II DEVELOPED OUTSIDE OF REGIONAL KODAK PLANTS. Sorry to shout , but you really should read the book by Greg Short, no...no...Greg Long, yeah, that's it. Greg Long. ha-ha.
Seriously, Long was right. Complex, costly, and patented procedure. I have seen some postings that suggest because a local drugstore advertised "we develop Kodachrome film," it meant that, say, any Rexall Pharmacy could actually process it. I mean, does your corner dry cleaner really do the dry cleaning? yet they advertise that they do. hmm? Drugstores and camera shops shipped to regional Kodak plants, just like your dry cleaner ships your suits to a dry cleaning plant. Of course the dry cleaning plant is usually in the same city. Unlike the Kodak plants. Zapruder was just lucky there was one in Dallas.
Another fallacy from the footers: that some lab would bootleg the process; yeah, that's a good thing to do, mess with Kodak and you go out of business. There were no leftover chemicals; other labs never had the process at that time. And why would a private business man jeopardize his livelihood to accommodate Al DeAtley, who really wasn't in that big a hurry anyway. "Footers think it must have been so urgent that people were flying it out of the two bit airports at nine oclock at night, getting rush developing, opening plants on the weekends. Baloney. There was no deadline, remember that. it was just Roger and Bob hangin out down at Louse Creek, riding Peanuts and Chico around every day, waiting for the go ahead from Al, so they could trumpet it to the world. They had no jobs to go back to, and they weren't on salary, at least we know Bob Gimlin wasn't. and Patterson was living off Gimlin, so no problemo if it took another week to process and edit the film.
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