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Old 5th October 2017, 12:54 PM   #41
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You work with him and don't know his name?
damn that's funny.
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Old 5th October 2017, 01:00 PM   #42
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If this is reliable:

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He Booked Hotel Overlooking Lollapalooza Festival 2 Months Before Massacre

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/05/stephe...chicago-vegas/
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Old 5th October 2017, 01:10 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
This is linked up at Drudge right now from the idiots at Zerohedge:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...nt-want-talk-a

Here's #6:



How does one address such galactic stupidity?

He cited Natural News, a woo site.

The thing about "Advanced Weapons" is that they're easier to use, hence advanced. They're lighter than older weapons, and the AR15 style rifle is the Lego of the gun world, largely snap and shoot (or plug and play).

If he had military background he would have used his extensive finances to by an M-60 because an AR is not an area-suppression weapon, and the .762 has a better range than the .556 AR15, with more killing power at the ranges involved with this shooting.

If he had an infantry background he would have also located kill-sacks, or whatever they call them today - to increase lethality at the range he was shooting from by firing into a mass of tightly packed bodies.

The fact he chose to fire full-auto saved lives because he was a civilian who didn't know anything about how to apply deadly force.


Anyway, there are a lot of dumb questions on this linked list that are being spread by the usual loser CT forums.

Also from that savagely ignorant "16 unanswered questions":

#2. They have the video of the woman pointing, which earlier on shows someone "shooting" from the 4th or so floor, as evidenced by a rapidly flashing light that appears there. The only problem is that this light is also flashing when there's no shooting sounds, so whatever it is, it isn't that. (It's hard to see as the camera is swinging wildly, but you can catch it.)


One possibility: It's an LED light on in the room, and it's 60 Hz is interacting with the camera CCD, where sometimes the rapid on is caught, and sometimes not, as the time the light is active is not actually continuous, nor is the reading of the camera pixel retina.

You can see something similar in video cameras (of intersection accidents, for example) that happen to capture modern traffic lights, which seem to flicker.


#4. He couldn't have done it with that type of weapon. BS. Haven't you watched the many YouTube videos people have pointed to? He even apparently had backups of the bump stock stuff waiting to go, and various long gun rifles to go after that, if necessary.


#5. How did he get that many guns and that much ammo into the hotel room with nobody noticing?

He put them in duffel bags or trunks or large suitcases and made multiple trips. Duh. We took 12 giant bags and trunks into Treasure Island one year when we were demoing at the CES. Nobody bats an eye and the bellhops, if you use them, are more than happy to shlep it for you.

I guess some people expected him to carry them over his shoulder or something.
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Old 5th October 2017, 01:30 PM   #44
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You work with him and don't know his name?
His dog ate the company roster.
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Old 5th October 2017, 01:48 PM   #45
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'Fishy' questions raised so far about hotel room pics can be explained. Like maybe the 3000 or so casings are further away from the dozen or so seen near the dead shooter.
He moved?
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Old 5th October 2017, 01:48 PM   #46
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To Clues forum members the mass media is in on it all. One of the signs that an event is a false flag or staged event is coverage by the mass media.

One of you guys should register on the forum to try and talk some sense into them. Chances are you will not be allowed to register as you must send an e-mail to the administrator Simon Shack and tell him why you wish to participate. I lasted a short time there a while back. A few of my friends also tried to post there and were given the boot after a short period of time.

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I lasted a few days and was invited! There's a thread on here about it somewhere.Was on subject of Dale Creegan (UK shooting)

They always bleat on about "No blood no bodies "etc etc. Yet the Boston bombing had all of that and STILL it was fake.So no idea what they actually want.
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Old 5th October 2017, 02:34 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
I dont get why a 64 yr old guy could not pull it off alone. Easy to bring all gear into hotel, especially over several days. No bag inspections.
I mean, the scary thing about guns is that it's really not that hard to use them. Obviously you get better with practice, and certain specific things are harder to do than others, but at the core of it they're fairly simple.

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Nonetheless, if this item is reliable, Sherrif Lombardo disagrees:
Superhuman? Huh? Am I missing something?

1. Find an event by a hotel (not hard)
2. Obtain a bunch of guns (maybe expensive, but not hard)
3. Set up cameras so you can see the SWAT team coming (smart, but not hard)
4. Have something to smash the window, since they're pretty thick (not hard)
5. Shoot into the crowd (not hard, sadly)

What part, exactly, requires superhuman ability?
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Old 5th October 2017, 03:03 PM   #48
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Here's my CT.

The NWO mind controlled the shooter to massacre country music fans cause they:

a. love Trump.

b. hate gun control.
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Old 5th October 2017, 04:00 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
I dont get why a 64 yr old guy could not pull it off alone. Easy to bring all gear into hotel, especially over several days. No bag inspections.
Every hotel of that size has luggage carts and bellhops. I'd be more surprised if all his stuff didn't arrive at his room in one move. There are many 64 year-old men who are in better shape than their 35 year-old counterparts.


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Nonetheless, if this item is reliable, Sherrif Lombardo disagrees:
No he does not.

He said Paddock "may have had help at some point", which might be true. What he didn't say was that there was a second shooter. What he said is just good law enforcement, they're investigating every lead instead of limiting their focus.



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'Fishy' questions raised so far about hotel room pics can be explained. Like maybe the 3000 or so casings are further away from the dozen or so seen near the dead shooter.
Nothing fishy unless you want to make it fishy. We know he fired from different windows, and fired at his front door at the security guard, so there will be brass everywhere.
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Old 5th October 2017, 05:38 PM   #50
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My brother's idiot friend is buying into the "second shooter" BS. He claims one guy said he saw a second guy shooting from behind a bar in one of the other hotels - I haven't seen the video yet but I already know it's just going to be an erroneous report/fog of war thing, since another shooter would leave this thing called "evidence" and more than one witness.

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#5. How did he get that many guns and that much ammo into the hotel room with nobody noticing?

He put them in duffel bags or trunks or large suitcases and made multiple trips. Duh. We took 12 giant bags and trunks into Treasure Island one year when we were demoing at the CES. Nobody bats an eye and the bellhops, if you use them, are more than happy to shlep it for you.

I guess some people expected him to carry them over his shoulder or something.
Apparently nobody on the CT fora know that guns can be taken apart into smaller pieces.
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It's Las Vegas, home of Shot Show: http://shotshow.org/attendees/attendee-faqs/

Automatic weapons are legal in Nevada. Plus, in Vegas (next time you're in town) there are a couple of tourist-oriented firing ranges where you can go, plunk down some cash, and fire the weapon of your dreams:

https://www.battlefieldvegas.com/

People go to Las Vegas to shoot all the time, so a guy bringing a bunch of rifle cases into his hotel room wouldn't have raised eyebrows a few days ago.
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It's not that the cops are feeding anything. They are running down leads, something CTists never give the cops credit for doing.
Except Sheriff Lombardo himself has questioned whether he acted alone right in his press conferences. That's dumb.

I fired an M-16 when in the Army 45 years ago. It ain't that complicated:
1. Insert magazine.
2. Pull back the cocking thing.
3. Release the bolt, which the DI's happily showed us could be done just by rapping on the butt.
4. Move selector off of safe.
5. Fire away.
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Old 5th October 2017, 07:06 PM   #53
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Here's my CT.

The NWO mind controlled the shooter to massacre country music fans cause they:

a. love Trump.

b. hate gun control.
A variant of that theory got someone in trouble at CBS as covered by Snopes:

www.snopes.com/2017/10/02/cbs-fires-lawyer-facebook-comments-las-vegas-shooting/

Snopes has also put together a compilation of the various claims swirling around this event.

http://www.snopes.com/las-vegas-shoo...racy-theories/
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Except Sheriff Lombardo himself has questioned whether he acted alone right in his press conferences. That's dumb.

I fired an M-16 when in the Army 45 years ago. It ain't that complicated:
1. Insert magazine.
2. Pull back the cocking thing.
3. Release the bolt, which the DI's happily showed us could be done just by rapping on the butt.
4. Move selector off of safe.
5. Fire away.
Yup.

That's the great thing about modern weapons - they're easy to use, and military battle rifles are designed for the lowest common denominator to use and maintain. The AK47 was designed for an even lower standard of recruit.

At this point, the sheriff questioning weather Paddock worked alone is standard thinking at this point in the investigation. Good cops take the time to check off all the boxes before they speak definitively (for the most part).

I think this one shakes out with Paddock going solo, and we will be left with a lot of question marks about motive unless he wrote something down or made a video.

The hotel will have plenty of video coverage of his comings and goings. If he was with anyone at the hotel they'll have a high resolution photo for us soon.
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In the news footage, the way Sheriff Lombardo said it, it sounded to me like he was thinking the guy (almost) could not have pulled it off without help.

Like I said I dont see why anyone would think that. Seems to me a determined, smart 64 yr old person could manage it just fine on their own.

Also I think the mood altering drug(s) he was sometimes using are a factor where they are known to promote aggressive beavior in some cases.
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In the news footage, the way Sheriff Lombardo said it, it sounded to me like he was thinking the guy (almost) could not have pulled it off without help.

Like I said I dont see why anyone would think that. Seems to me a determined, smart 64 yr old person could manage it just fine on their own.


....and now you know how we all feel reading your typical type of post.

Stop and really think about that for a few days.
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I found a Facebook meme yesterday that said:

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LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT...

SO, HE GETS ABOUT 400LB OF EQUIPMENT UP 30 FLOORS, SETS UP A CONCEALED SNIPER NEST, DISARMS FIRE ALARMS AND OTHER SECURITY SYSTEMS IN PLACE (AT A CASINO) REMOVED A WINDOW THAT'S 800LB OF HURRICANE PROOF GLASS, THEN FOR TEN MINUTES REIGNED IN AIMED FIREPOWER WITH NO TRAINING WHAT SO EVER, AND WITH NO MOTIVE?
I guess they've never heard of elevators, and are imagining this guy hauling all of his gear up 30 flights of stairs all at once like a Sherpa.

The comments were insane, and almost all were excitedly agreeing. A few were saying that this was an occult sacrifice by the Illuminati. Someone said the shooter was a member of both ISIS and Antifa. Pretty much the only conspiracy I didn't see was that the whole thing didn't happen and it was all crisis actors (though of course I've seen that one elsewhere).
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His dog ate the company roster.
To be fair, I wouldn't name or identify a work colleague that had not given permission in a public venue.

On the other hand, I would not also claim that I am right because of what some anonymous wonk said either.
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To be fair, I wouldn't name or identify a work colleague that had not given permission in a public venue.

On the other hand, I would not also claim that I am right because of what some anonymous wonk said either.

you may have missed the joke.
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I found a Facebook meme yesterday that said:



I guess they've never heard of elevators, and are imagining this guy hauling all of his gear up 30 flights of stairs all at once like a Sherpa.

The comments were insane, and almost all were excitedly agreeing. A few were saying that this was an occult sacrifice by the Illuminati. Someone said the shooter was a member of both ISIS and Antifa. Pretty much the only conspiracy I didn't see was that the whole thing didn't happen and it was all crisis actors (though of course I've seen that one elsewhere).
Quite clearly a basement dweller who has never stepped outside in his life, 800lbs of luggage is trivial. Try travelling with a family, idiot.

Not you, whichever wingnut posted that bollocks.

I would be willing to bet that my ex could port that volume, and back when my kids were wee it was mental. I had to put a stop to it when she so stuffed their gear with so much that they could hardly walk. we are talking actually falling over spontaneously level here, like a cartoon tree.

Bottom line, 400lbs is a trivially easy amount of luggage. Where people get such nonsense? Beats me. Turn up, present ID and that is the end of it. How much baggage you have is only on the radar to the extent that bus boys/ladies seek a tip.
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FWIW.....rather than leave this stone unturned

I had to watch this ten second video clip several times to finally catch what is being asserted. The narrator apparently thinks it is a shooter in the crowd. A very serious assertion.

My eyesight is not perfect. I am not sure, but I think I saw what resembles (amidst panicked fleeing people) a stationary arm in a position resembling that of holding a rifle in shooting position.

BTW this does not mean I am repeating the assertion. What do you see?

http://realfarmacy.com/las-vegas-ground-shooter/

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that video actually is 40 seconds long, not ten.

I looked again, at 24-27 seconds it seems the most clear to me, regarding the assertion
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My eyesight is not perfect. I am not sure, but I think I saw what resembles (amidst panicked fleeing people) a stationary arm in a position resembling that of holding a rifle in shooting position.

BTW this does not mean I am repeating the assertion. What do you see?

http://realfarmacy.com/las-vegas-ground-shooter/


That looked to me like one of the cops. We know they had rifles, and some of them were wearing high-visibilty vests, which it appears the person in this video is wearing. See photos on this page:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-m...ory?id=5024645

There's no way in that brief clip to distinguish firing a rifle from just pointing it. The cop probably thought he'd seen where the fire was coming from, and pointed his rifle that way before deciding he was wrong. Perfectly normal and expected behavior for a cop responding to such an event.
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I did think the sound could be from elswhere.

So police were already in the crowd with rifles.
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I did think the sound could be from elswhere.

So police were already in the crowd with rifles.
That's the thing about living in the US, the police that would have been there already for security would have had rifles in their cars and easy to access, thus they would have been on scene and armed very quickly. An "Advantage" of living in a society where these things keep happening?
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That's the thing about living in the US, the police that would have been there already for security would have had rifles in their cars and easy to access, thus they would have been on scene and armed very quickly. An "Advantage" of living in a society where these things keep happening?
The police were there both at this event and one next door. They all have body cameras too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGAtdSyUQSk

LVMPD and Clark County Sheriffs respond fast, and thanks to Al Qaeda and 9-11, they regularly train for large scale attacks. They just hadn't trained for this one. Still it was an outstanding performance by all law enforcement in that city on that night. Nay sayers can eat it.
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FWIW.....rather than leave this stone unturned

I had to watch this ten second video clip several times to finally catch what is being asserted. The narrator apparently thinks it is a shooter in the crowd. A very serious assertion.

My eyesight is not perfect. I am not sure, but I think I saw what resembles (amidst panicked fleeing people) a stationary arm in a position resembling that of holding a rifle in shooting position.

BTW this does not mean I am repeating the assertion. What do you see?

http://realfarmacy.com/las-vegas-ground-shooter/
The video shows a guy ducking.
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Evil conspiratroids carry out evil scheme to shoot people at an outdoor concert.

Forget to fake a motive.
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Guns apparently don't work in the dark, according to DIF user St Jimmy:

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I have found a reasonable estimate for the shooting distance for the Las Vegas “mass shooting” that reportedly killed some 60 and injured 527 people: 1100 to 1200 feet (330 – 360 meter).
Also note that the darkness would have made this mass murder impossible!
I won't link to the thread as it contains photographs of the dead and injured. Some of these photographs of dead and injured people are posted by people saying they haven't seen any, or enough, photos of dead and injured people.
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Regarding that video of someone in crowd holding a rifle.

Probably it is an officer. However I dont know how it is possible to know it is an officer so soon after viewing it. Just sayin. I'm not claiming it is a shooter. I merely note what seem IMO to be quick premature conclusions where I think I see them, as a public service.

On the other hand...

If there ever was a false flag/phony news cover-up anywhere, anytime, this type of interview item below would not (IMO) be seen in media. It is these good officers interviewed after storming the hotel room.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-veg...et-trajectory/
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He cited Natural News, a woo site.

Maybe not always.


Not totally either. He has a certified lab, finds and reports crap in supplements and food products.
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Guns apparently don't work in the dark, according to DIF user St Jimmy:



I won't link to the thread as it contains photographs of the dead and injured. Some of these photographs of dead and injured people are posted by people saying they haven't seen any, or enough, photos of dead and injured people.
It almost amazes me how many of them can't figure out what happens when you fire full auto into a tightly packed crowd.

I mean if he had shot his ex wife without a scope from that distance, in that light I'd be kind of surprised.
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Maybe not always.


Not totally either. He has a certified lab, finds and reports crap in supplements and food products.
I have an instruction manual for my TV. Doesn't mean I understand how it works, or that if I tell people it has little fairies inside that it's true.
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I have an instruction manual for my TV. Doesn't mean I understand how it works, or that if I tell people it has little fairies inside that it's true.


Understood although you're surely smart enough to get it right. Hence you'd easily see how Mike Adams would be incompetent at his lab work. Not merely because you disagree with his politics, and you'd rather not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Surely its easy to link your evidence regarding his fake lab work. Its only fair.

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I dont want to put words in your mouth....but it sounded like you disparaged his lab work sight unseen. Did you?

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Understood although you're surely smart enough to get it right. Hence you'd easily see how Mike Adams would be incompetent at his lab work. Not merely because you disagree with his politics, and you'd rather not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Surely its easy to link your evidence regarding his fake lab work. Its only fair.

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I dont want to put words in your mouth....but it sounded like you disparaged his lab work sight unseen. Did you?
If you insist.
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In 2014 he launched a “food lab” at which he claims to conduct tests to find heavy metal and other toxins in foods and products. He compared the products he tests with the ‘health’ and ‘toxin free’ lines of products offered for sale on his website. There is no sign this “lab” is still in existence.
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/g...ience-website/
Specific examples of Adams' incompetence are listed here.
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Understood although you're surely smart enough to get it right. Hence you'd easily see how Mike Adams would be incompetent at his lab work. Not merely because you disagree with his politics, and you'd rather not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Surely its easy to link your evidence regarding his fake lab work. Its only fair.

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I dont want to put words in your mouth....but it sounded like you disparaged his lab work sight unseen. Did you?
I did, largely because I've seen the tripe he parades as fact on his website.

I take issue with it because he parades those 'internationally accredited' credentials as if they confer some kind of legitimacy to his woo. All those certificates confirm is that his lab has some high end equipment in it at the time the certificates were issued. It does not mean that you can then use those results to rubbish the competition for your product.

Just because you own a piece of expensive kit it doesn't mean that you know what to do with it, or understand what the results that come out the other end mean. You could train a chimp to use a mass spectrometer, but you wouldn't rely on its interpretation of the figures at the end of it.
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It almost amazes me how many of them can't figure out what happens when you fire full auto into a tightly packed crowd.

I mean if he had shot his ex wife without a scope from that distance, in that light I'd be kind of surprised.
But that'll be the next level of idiocy: How did he manage, at night and firing into a crowd, to hit that specific collection of individuals, and not some other group? The probability must be ridiculously small, therefore he couldn't have done it and it must have been midgets with infra-red scope fitted Derringers shooting those specific people from short range.

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Maybe not always.


Not totally either. He has a certified lab, finds and reports crap in supplements and food products.
No he doesn't. He bought a piece of equipment he doesn't know how to use, and got it calibrated. And strangely fails to find the crap in his OWN products that everyone else finds.

Funny that.
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In any event that is as big as the Vegas shooting, conspiracy theories will spring up like mushrooms after a big rain. It's a given.
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