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Old 11th October 2017, 04:27 PM   #761
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
They carry a reality impact regardless of legality.

Lynchings were not a power of the office, but they were carried out by law enforcement officials.
Carried about by someone who has a job and using power of that job are not the same.
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Old 11th October 2017, 04:33 PM   #762
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Carried about by someone who has a job and using power of that job are not the same.
If you want to see the difference in having the weight of the office behind you and not, then consider this. How effective would Trump have been if this was 2013?
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Old 11th October 2017, 04:35 PM   #763
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If you want to see the difference in having the weight of the office behind you and not, then consider this. How effective would Trump have been if this was 2013?
Weight is not a power of the office. The ability to veto legislation is a power.
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Old 11th October 2017, 04:36 PM   #764
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If you want to see the difference in having the weight of the office behind you and not, then consider this. How effective would Trump have been if this was 2013?
That's having the celebrity status of the job behind him, the "bully pulpit". There's no actual Executive Branch authority in play here.
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Old 11th October 2017, 04:41 PM   #765
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I've gotten this email now for about the sixth time. What is interesting is that I've discovered the following: the NBA actually has a rule about standing for the anthem, but the NFL does not (in terms of a thing covered in the CBA between the league and the NFLPA. And now the email that never stops hitting my box.
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In 2012 the NFL had an issue with Tim Tebow kneeling for each game to pray, they also had an issue with Tebow wearing John 3:16 as part of his blackout to avoid glare and made him take it off.

In 2013 the NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental health disorders....

In 2014 Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered a post-game press conference wearing a shirt that said "Know Jesus Know Peace" but was forced to turn it inside out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking at the podium.

In 2015 DeAngelo Williams was fined for wearing "Find the Cure" eye black for breast cancer awareness.

In 2015 William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats to raise awareness for domestic violence. (not that the NFL has a domestic violence problem...)

In 2016 the NFL prevented the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet in honor of 5 Dallas Police officers killed in the line of duty.

In 2016 the NFL threatened to fine players who wanted to wear cleats to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11.
Saw in the news yesterday that Roger the Commissioner is going to have a meeting with the owners to discuss all this.

Heard on the radio the following, not sure of its truth: NFL and the networks didn't start showing the players standing for the anthem until about the 2009 season, unless it was a play off game. (Anything to fill the dead air time before the actual game, eh?)

I was told by my scout master that the last two words of the national anthem are not "Play Ball!" (Baseball reference from the 1970's).

What, I wonder, is it that the Comish thinks he's going to solve? The owners do not seem to be of one mind about all of this.
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Old 11th October 2017, 04:47 PM   #766
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
That's having the celebrity status of the job behind him, the "bully pulpit". There's no actual Executive Branch authority in play here.
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Weight is not a power of the office. The ability to veto legislation is a power.
Yeah, because any Joe Bloggs with a "Bully Pulpit" and Celebrity can threaten to change the Tax Code to negatively effect those that oppose them.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:28 PM   #767
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Yeah, because any Joe Bloggs with a "Bully Pulpit" and Celebrity can threaten to change the Tax Code to negatively effect those that oppose them.
Yes. You can absolutely threaten it.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:29 PM   #768
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Yes. You can absolutely threaten it.
and it has as much power an empty water pistol. But when the President does it, that has the power of his office behind it, he can make it happen.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:32 PM   #769
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and it has as much power an empty water pistol. But when the President does it, that has the power of his office behind it, he can make it happen.
And attempting to make it happen is power. Saying it is not.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:35 PM   #770
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Weight is not a power of the office. The ability to veto legislation is a power.
President's words could start a war.

that is power.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:36 PM   #771
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President's words could start a war.

that is power.
No, it isn't. This is about " a power" not "power."
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Weight is not a power of the office. The ability to veto legislation is a power.
Weight is a power. When the president says things, there is a power behind what he says. When Trump rants about a particular industry watch what the power of his words does to that industry's stock price.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:40 PM   #773
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Weight is a power. When the president says things, there is a power behind what he says. When Trump rants about a particular industry watch what the power of his words does to that industry's stock price.
None of that makes it a power. The powers of the office have been enumerated.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
None of that makes it a power. The powers of the office have been enumerated.
Just because they aren't amongst the enumerate powers doesn't make the powers any less real.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:47 PM   #775
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Just because they aren't amongst the enumerate powers doesn't make the powers any less real.
That is exactly what it means. Any other power is a work of fiction.
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Weight is a power. When the president says things, there is a power behind what he says. When Trump rants about a particular industry watch what the power of his words does to that industry's stock price.
Heck, look what happens when a President casually mentions Broccoli!
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:48 PM   #777
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
That is exactly what it means. Any other power is a work of fiction.
It's so cute that you believe that....
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
That is exactly what it means. Any other power is a work of fiction.
What a unique use of the English language.

It's fictional that Trump has caused an issue with NFL?
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Yeah, because any Joe Bloggs with a "Bully Pulpit" and Celebrity can threaten to change the Tax Code to negatively effect those that oppose them. : rolleyes :
The President has no more power to change the tax code than Rachel Maddow does.
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The President has no more power to change the tax code than Rachel Maddow does.
I mean he can veto, but as for getting his ideas passed they have about as much power.
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I mean he can veto, but as for getting his ideas passed they have about as much power.
The most he can do is block a change.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
The President has no more power to change the tax code than Rachel Maddow does.
really....
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Yes, really. Did you actually read the link? Do you not understand the separation of powers?

The tax code is law. The president can propose any changes to the law he wants, just like Rachel Maddow can. And just like Rachel Maddow, he has no power to enact any of this proposals.
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Yes, really. Did you actually read the link? Do you not understand the separation of powers?

The tax code is law. The president can propose any changes to the law he wants, just like Rachel Maddow can. And just like Rachel Maddow, he has no power to enact any of this proposals.
When Rachel Maddow sends a proposal to the Senate and it's treated with the same authority as one sent to them by the President, you might have a point, until then you just keep on spinning your semantics.

No one is saying that he can click his fingers and write it into law all by himself, they are saying that with the weight of the office he has the power to tell the people that write the laws to do things, and then expect them to be done, especially when like now the same party holds both houses and the Executive.

It's funny how you and others on the Right blamed Obama for Legislation you didn't like during his term, but now it's all "Trump doesn't have the power to do anything." I guess since Obama didn't have any power over Healthcare then the ACA isn't his, not the Environmental regulations and laws, and so forth.
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When Rachel Maddow sends a proposal to the Senate and it's treated with the same authority as one sent to them by the President, you might have a point, until then you just keep on spinning your semantics.
Both of us are in a semantics argument. We are both arguing over meaning.
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The President has no more power to change the tax code than Rachel Maddow does.
That would imply that any Presidential candidate campaigning on a tax reform platform is a freaking liar and ought to be laughed out of town?

That is an obviously ridiculous idea.

As if Reagan never lowered taxes.
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Why can't the gladiators NFL players just entertain me! I'm not here to hear the plight of the slaves athletes that are forced to compete in a nation that regards them as unworthy of equal rights. I'm not going to admit that Rome America isn't the bastion of egalitarian delights I want to imagine it to be so I can justify not caring about the lepers victims of police brutality. How can they even complain when the gladiators that survive players get all that money, endorsements and sex?

Get out there and fight play!
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Just scrap the anthem at non-political events altogether. Or go whole hog, and mandate the pledge of allegiance, including its theocratic clause, "under God." The latter is best done while face-recognition software scans the crowd for dirtbag liberal holdouts for later imprisonment, with a direct feed to the NRA, Fox News, and GOP party headquarters, the Good Lord's only remaining TruPatriots not tainted by factual reasoning. Good news is, since these are not enemy combatants, just enemies, maybe they qualify for some nice down time away from the rule of law on Guantanamo. Torture of liberals for sport! Now that's something to sing for.
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Travis's and Hlafordlaes's posts (787 and 788, just above), being inspired to satire by the antics of Conservatives, are why such dystopic fiction as The Handmaid's Tale and much else resonates. It's just to easy to look forward in time and imagine the potential for frightful policy such fervent people could implement if the opportunity arose for them.

While they moan on about the Gubmint coming to take their guns which are ostensibly required to rise up against a tyrannical gubmint, that same lot could mindlessly permit a Fascistic power structure to set itself up. They're already eminently satisfied with a kleptocracy.

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No, it isn't. This is about " a power" not "power."
As the one who introduced the term into the conversation, I regret to inform you that you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
The President has no more power to change the tax code than Rachel Maddow does.
Yes, nuance and semantics are important to examine in President Trump's latest assault on free speech.

Meanwhile, kneeling football players are ruining the world:
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Think about it a little more, and you might not find it funny at all. They aren't doing enough to make the world a better place, and they're doing too much to make the world a worse place. The mix of criticism rightly expresses this sad situation.
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As the one who introduced the term into the conversation, I regret to inform you that you're wrong.
Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about (death of the author).
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Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about (death of the author).
And just because you contradict him, doesn't make you right either.
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And just because you contradict him, doesn't make you right either.
I would not be that presumptuous to think that is true.
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Apropos to nothing, I saw a webcomic this morning.

A man is out walking with his daughter.
"Your shoelace is untied Daddy."
"Oops." The man kneels to tie his shoelace.
A man dressed entirely in clothes that look like the American flag bursts into the scene. "Stop disrespecting our flag!!!!"
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Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about (death of the author).
Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about (death of the author).
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Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about (death of the author).
Well duh.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about (death of the author).
But I certainly know whether or not I was referring to "a power".

I wasn't.

You're wrong.
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