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Old 11th October 2017, 02:39 PM   #1
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Should congressmen have to disclose their health status?

The Capitol Hill pharmacist says some congressmen and senators (without naming them) are getting Alzheimer's medications.
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“It makes you kind of sit back and say, ‘Wow, they’re making the highest laws of the land and they might not even remember what happened yesterday.'”

Is that something voters are entitled to know about?
https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/11/...drug-delivery/
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No, not entitled.
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No, not entitled.
Why not, employers are entitled to have a health report on a perspective employee to determine if they are medically capable of performing the tasks required. We are our representative's employers, so why should we not be entitled to the same information as any other employer is?

I'd say drug test the lot of them too!
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Don't mind Bob. Bob says silly things sometimes, like people that make life and death decisions for millions of people need not be sane.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:26 PM   #5
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Why not, employers are entitled to have a health report on a perspective employee to determine if they are medically capable of performing the tasks required. We are our representative's employers, so why should we not be entitled to the same information as any other employer is?

I'd say drug test the lot of them too!
Voters are not employers. Representatives are not employees or contractors. Voters are voters and representatives are representatives.
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Voters are not employers. Representatives are not employees or contractors. Voters are voters and representatives are representatives.
perhaps in your alternative world, in the real world, the voters pay their wages and they work for us.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:31 PM   #7
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perhaps in your alternative world, in the real world, the voters pay their wages and they work for us.
Does not make them employees. Clergy are not employees of parishioners, either.
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Kind of like the seller's disclosure when you buy a house.
You need to know that you are getting what you pay for, or in this case getting what you vote for.
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Clergy are not employees of parishioners, either.
Of course they are. Clergy are employees of a church. A church is comprised of its parishioners. There's a reason "minister" derives from the word for "servant".
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Of course they are. Clergy are employees of a church. A church is comprised of its parishioners. There's a reason "minister" derives from the word for "servant".
And the parishioners are not employers.
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Does not make them employees.
They are hired by, fired by, and paid by the voters. They have no higher authority, but the Voters that they represent, and they are there to represent those voters. Yes they are our employees.

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Clergy are not employees of parishioners, either.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:45 PM   #12
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They are hired by, fired by, and paid by the voters. They have no higher authority, but the Voters that they represent, and they are there to represent those voters. Yes they are our employees.



Non sequitur and derail attempt noted.
It isn't a non sequitur. It is another role we're someone has a role in relation to a multitude. Athlete and fans would be similar. Voters have no authority beyond their vote. Representative authority is derived from the law.

Voted into office is just that. It isn't hired or fired. That is why we call in winning and losing an election and not hired/fired.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
It isn't a non sequitur. It is another role we're someone has a role in relation to a multitude. Athlete and fans would be similar. Voters have no authority beyond their vote. Representative authority is derived from the law.

Voted into office is just that. It isn't hired or fired. That is why we call in winning and losing an election and not hired/fired.
It is a total non sequitur, and you are continuing to do so.
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Representatives have a responsibility to their constituents. Continuing to try to serve (and perhaps get re-elected) when one is knowingly impaired is a shirking of that responsibility.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:55 PM   #15
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Representatives have a responsibility to their constituents. Continuing to try to serve (and perhaps get re-elected) when one is knowingly impaired is a shirking of that responsibility.
A representative is permitted to shirk. They can be removed by procedure for shirking or not shirking.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
A representative is permitted to shirk. They can be removed by procedure for shirking or not shirking.
Just because someone can do something doesn't mean they should, especially if they take seriously the responsibility of the office to which they were elected.
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I'm pretty sure HIPAA prevents insurance companies and health providers, including pharmacies, from disclosing health information to employers without authorization. The congresscritters are employees of the federal government, even though many of them profess to hate it. So no, that's not allowed.
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Why not, employers are entitled to have a health report on a perspective employee to determine if they are medically capable of performing the tasks required. We are our representative's employers, so why should we not be entitled to the same information as any other employer is?

I'd say drug test the lot of them too!
Oh stop this nonsense.
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Why not, employers are entitled to have a health report on a perspective employee to determine if they are medically capable of performing the tasks required. We are our representative's employers, so why should we not be entitled to the same information as any other employer is?

I'd say drug test the lot of them too!
Where did you get your law degree?
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Does not make them employees. Clergy are not employees of parishioners, either.
What? Most Protestant churches are run by boards chosen by parishioners, and the boards hire and fire the minister. The church pays the minister, who is literally an employee of the church. (Can't speak for the Catholics, but I think the Pope sends you a guy.)

And public officials are certainly public employees. They do work for us, we pay their salaries, and we have a regular chance to fire them at the polls.
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What? Most Protestant churches are run by boards chosen by parishioners, and the boards hire and fire the minister. The church pays the minister, who is literally an employee of the church. (Can't speak for the Catholics, but I think the Pope sends you a guy.)

And public officials are certainly public employees. They do work for us, we pay their salaries, and we have a regular chance to fire them at the polls.
You seem to mix repeatedly the results of elections as an act of an employer. Voting for a board is a vote. Voting for a rep is a vote. It is not an employment decision.
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The voters can demand whatever they want from a candidate.
Let's demand they start walking on water.
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Why not, employers are entitled to have a health report on a perspective employee to determine if they are medically capable of performing the tasks required. We are our representative's employers, so why should we not be entitled to the same information as any other employer is?

I'd say drug test the lot of them too!

Only if you have a physically demanding job. That exam is probably required by, or because of, insurance companies.

I've never been given a medical exam for any job I've ever had, including construction and my current physically demanding job. Not a physical exam, not psychological.

Testing Congress-critters will solve nothing. I'm sure they have a list of doctors who will approve them for the right amount of cash.

P.S. - You guys always fall for the same derail. Every thread.
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Why not, employers are entitled to have a health report on a perspective employee to determine if they are medically capable of performing the tasks required.

I don't think that's generally true.
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I love seeing threads get "bobbed"

Circular reasoning is circular.
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The Capitol Hill pharmacist says some congressmen and senators (without naming them) are getting Alzheimer's medications.



Is that something voters are entitled to know about?
https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/11/...drug-delivery/
Yes!!! Among a long list of other things!!!!!
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Why not, employers are entitled to have a health report on a perspective employee to determine if they are medically capable of performing the tasks required. We are our representative's employers, so why should we not be entitled to the same information as any other employer is?

I'd say drug test the lot of them too!
So nice, John Jones had to quote it twice!

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Only if you have a physically demanding job. That exam is probably required by, or because of, insurance companies.

I've never been given a medical exam for any job I've ever had, including construction and my current physically demanding job. Not a physical exam, not psychological.

Testing Congress-critters will solve nothing. I'm sure they have a list of doctors who will approve them for the right amount of cash.

P.S. - You guys always fall for the same derail. Every thread.
Weird, I have to do one every year and I work in a call center.
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Weird, I have to do one every year and I work in a call center.
Just out of curiosity, do you have to do it, or is it something that you do because otherwise you pay more for your insurance benefits?

We also do a yearly health screening, but it's (nominally) voluntary. The results of the health screening affect the premiums we pay on our insurance (based on the number of identified risk factors), but any employee can decline (which is treated as having the maximum number of risk factors-no discount to your premiums). According to law, forcing the screening would be illegal (as I understand it).

Not sure if that holds true everywhere; I'm sure for some jobs there are mandatory screening requirements either due to hazards of the job (i.e.-regular screenings of nuclear workers, say) or something similar. But mandatory screenings are a HIPPA violation.

Full disclosure: I work for an insurance company, so this is something we're involved in for not only ourselves but companies we provide coverage for. As a caveat, I work IT rather than in claims or legal, so I'm just giving the information as it was explained to us (and as our company policy dictates). I could be wrong (it has happened before ).
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I love seeing threads get "bobbed"

Circular reasoning is circular.
More mobius strip thinking.
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The Capitol Hill pharmacist says some congressmen and senators (without naming them) are getting Alzheimer's medications.

Is that something voters are entitled to know about?
https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/11/...drug-delivery/
Five bucks on this being a gambit to try to force out more Supreme Court justices.
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The Capitol Hill pharmacist says some congressmen and senators (without naming them) are getting Alzheimer's medications.
And obviously forgetting to take them.
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Only if you have a physically demanding job. That exam is probably required by, or because of, insurance companies.

I've never been given a medical exam for any job I've ever had, including construction and my current physically demanding job. Not a physical exam, not psychological.

Testing Congress-critters will solve nothing. I'm sure they have a list of doctors who will approve them for the right amount of cash.

P.S. - You guys always fall for the same derail. Every thread.
Kind of like the sell-by date on a jar of mayonnaise - you would like to know that you are getting what you pay for. Although I think mental and psychological evaluations would be more useful. I am not so worried about congressional blood pressure, sociopathic narcissism is a bigger concern.
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: rolleyes : Let's demand they start walking on water. : rolleyes :
Go for it, if you think it has a better chance of getting you the candidates and the policies you prefer.

My point is that senility is already screened for, by the voters, at election time. All the pharmacists is doing is telling us about a risk the voters have already considered. He should probably just do his job and keep his mouth shut.
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My point is that senility is already screened for, by the voters, at election time.
Really? So what happened to that screening in the presidential election of 1984?
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Really? So what happened to that screening in the presidential election of 1984?
The screneers decided the risk was acceptable.
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There are some pretty serious privacy issues here; I'm surprised that the pharmacist was indiscreet enough to mention the Alzheimer's drugs.

My feeling is that the current system works well enough. If someone starts acting or talking erratically (like John McCain did earlier this year), it's going to quickly become necessary politically for them to disclose their health issues.
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There are some pretty serious privacy issues here; I'm surprised that the pharmacist was indiscreet enough to mention the Alzheimer's drugs.

My feeling is that the current system works well enough. If someone starts acting or talking erratically (like John McCain did earlier this year), it's going to quickly become necessary politically for them to disclose their health issues.
He didn't name anybody. Nobody's privacy was violated. McCain is one of the highest-profile Senators. But for an average no-name congressman who doesn't make a lot of public appearances, it could go under the radar for a long time, especially if his staff protected him. But he's still voting.
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He didn't name anybody. Nobody's privacy was violated. McCain is one of the highest-profile Senators. But for an average no-name congressman who doesn't make a lot of public appearances, it could go under the radar for a long time, especially if his staff protected him. But he's still voting.
Nothing in the Constitution requires their vote be based on any analysis. Whether it is because of Alzheimer's or laziness is irrelevant.
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Looks as though Diana Feinstein's age...84...will be an issue in the upcoming Democratic Primary.
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