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Old 29th September 2017, 01:00 PM   #1
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Terrorists to join interpol and receive information on terrorism

The fox is guarding the hen house:

"In a stinging diplomatic defeat for Israel, the world’s largest international police organization on Wednesday accepted the “State of Palestine” as a full member.

Israel fiercely objected to the Palestinians joining Interpol, arguing that Ramallah’s alleged support for terrorism could hinder rather than aid Interpol’s efforts. The US administration, too, objected to Ramallah’s membership bid and helped Israel lobby against it."

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-blo...dfbad-54446357
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Old 30th September 2017, 05:38 AM   #2
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I figure there's gotta be enough Palsymps in Interpol's European member agencies that the institution's operational security was blown years ago.

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Old 30th September 2017, 05:56 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I figure there's gotta be end Palsymps in Interpol's European member agencies that the institution's operational security was blown years ago.
I don't fully understand that post, though I imagine "Palsymps" must be Palestinian sympathisers. Can you restate it in another form?
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Old 30th September 2017, 06:19 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Craig B View Post
I don't fully understand that post, though I imagine "Palsymps" must be Palestinian sympathisers. Can you restate it in another form?
Damned autocorrect. It should read "enough Palsymps". I've edited the post to correct the mistake. I apologize for the confusion.

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Old 30th September 2017, 08:33 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I figure there's gotta be enough Palsymps in Interpol's European member agencies that the institution's operational security was blown years ago.

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By the same reasoning, it would also be broken because Iran and Syria, allies of Hamas, are long-time members. That way, we could go on with whatever state is a member of the "axis of evil" du jour.
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Old 30th September 2017, 09:02 AM   #6
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By the same reasoning, it would also be broken because Iran and Syria, allies of Hamas, are long-time members. That way, we could go on with whatever state is a member of the "axis of evil" du jour.
Good point.

Giz, I get what you're saying, but it's pretty much a lost cause already.

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Old 30th September 2017, 10:09 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Good point.

Giz, I get what you're saying, but it's pretty much a lost cause already.

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In fact, you're arguing that Israel's and the USA's objections to Palestine joining Interpol don't make sense.

I would never have imagined you opposing Israeli policies.
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Old 30th September 2017, 10:31 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Good point.

Giz, I get what you're saying, but it's pretty much a lost cause already.

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It's worth protesting against a massive wave of hate, even when it isn't new.
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Old 1st October 2017, 05:59 AM   #9
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If an apartheid state can be a member of Interpol i don't see why terrorists should be excluded.
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Old 1st October 2017, 06:09 AM   #10
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It's sad when anti-Semitism tropes are displayed so ignorantly. The silver lining is that this can be a chance for education:

https://www.adl.org/education/resour...partheid-state
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Old 1st October 2017, 02:44 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Giz View Post
It's sad when anti-Semitism tropes are displayed so ignorantly. The silver lining is that this can be a chance for education:

https://www.adl.org/education/resour...partheid-state
Or here
https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/594
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Old 2nd October 2017, 12:05 AM   #12
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Criticism of Israel, whether accurate or not, is not anti-semitism, just like criticism of Uganda is not racism.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 03:04 AM   #13
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Criticism of Israel, whether accurate or not, is not anti-semitism, just like criticism of Uganda is not racism.
Yes it is, according to right wing Zionists. They have no other argument, as may be seen in this thread. I challenge the OP to show us a single antisemitic statement. On the other hand the expression Palsymps looks to be anti Palestinian as well as anti terrorist.

But on reflection I think this thread may be an exercise in trolling, and without any substantive value. Nothing is likely to be learned from it.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 02:00 PM   #14
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Criticism of Israel, whether accurate or not, is not anti-semitism, just like criticism of Uganda is not racism.
That depends on the criticism. If you go around spouting that Netenyahu's latest utterance is moving forward the goals of the Elder's of Zion to found a "greater Israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates, that's an anti-Semetic conspiracy theory.

It's also worth pointing out that while specific criticism may not itself be anti-Semetic, it certainly may be motivated by anti-Semitism.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 02:04 PM   #15
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Yes it is, according to right wing Zionists. They have no other argument, as may be seen in this thread. I challenge the OP to show us a single antisemitic statement. On the other hand the expression Palsymps looks to be anti Palestinian as well as anti terrorist.

But on reflection I think this thread may be an exercise in trolling, and without any substantive value. Nothing is likely to be learned from it.
I seem to remember a whole lot of arguments you walked away from because you couldn't answer them.
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Old 3rd October 2017, 08:31 PM   #16
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I seem to remember a whole lot of arguments you walked away from because you couldn't answer them.
No you don't. Won't work. Put the troll back in its box.
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That depends on the criticism. If you go around spouting that Netenyahu's latest utterance is moving forward the goals of the Elder's of Zion to found a "greater Israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates, that's an anti-Semetic conspiracy theory.
I read actually similar claims from an inside source - Netanyahu's son.
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Old 8th October 2017, 01:32 PM   #18
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That depends on the criticism. If you go around spouting that Netenyahu's latest utterance is moving forward the goals of the Elder's of Zion to found a "greater Israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates, that's an anti-Semetic conspiracy theory.

It's also worth pointing out that while specific criticism may not itself be anti-Semetic, it certainly may be motivated by anti-Semitism.
sorry but race has very little to do with a religious/political dispute
esp as arab's are far more Semitic then the euro-Jews who moved in recently
and god is not a real estate agent
that said ''a "greater Israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates,''
would likely be better run then the current mess

anti-Zionist is a far better term for opposition to Netenyahu's latest crime

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sorry but race has very little to do with a religious/political dispute
esp as arab's are far more Semitic then the euro-Jews who moved in recently
and god is not a real estate agent
that said ''a "greater Israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates,''
would likely be better run then the current mess

anti-Zionist is a far better term for opposition to Netenyahu's latest crime
1) Learn about Wilhelm Marr, and why "anti-Semitism" doesn't mean hatred of Semitic peoples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Etymology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr

2) Agreed, but then again nobody was claiming God was.

3) Can't disagree, but it's not an option.

4) Except many of Netenyahu's opponents are also Zionists, suggesting you don't know what the term means.
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If an apartheid state can be a member of Interpol i don't see why terrorists should be excluded.
What exactly do you imagine Interpol is for? Hint: It's not a reward for good behavior.

Leaving aside the canard itself, which also sinks your post.
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sorry but race has very little to do with a religious/political dispute
esp as arab's are far more Semitic then the euro-Jews who moved in recently
and god is not a real estate agent
that said ''a "greater Israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates,''
would likely be better run then the current mess

anti-Zionist is a far better term for opposition to Netenyahu's latest crime
I repeat the question I have for all "Anti Zionist":.What do you want to do with the five million Jews now living in Israel after the "Destruction of the Zionist Entity".

I don't like Bibi very much, and think the settlement policy is idiotic, but if you call for the de facto destruction of Israel count me not only out but on the other side.

The problem with "Anti Zionism" is that horse left the stable in 1948.
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What exactly do you imagine Interpol is for? Hint: It's not a reward for good behavior.

Leaving aside the canard itself, which also sinks your post.
Yeah, the "Israel is an Aparthied State" is a canard, but is echoed mindlessly by the Hard Left.
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And time for another bunch of protests that there is no such thing as "Left Wing Antisemitism".
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It's sad when anti-Semitism tropes are displayed so ignorantly. The silver lining is that this can be a chance for education:

https://www.adl.org/education/resour...partheid-state
Fact is, Anti Semetism is quite acceptable to many people wrapped in Marxist Rhetoric.
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Fact is, Anti Semetism is quite acceptable to many people wrapped in Marxist Rhetoric.
BS marx while a jew had nothing to do with zionist ideals

and many on the far right until the resent flip
saw jews as commies, hitler and the KKK sure did

rather then S A as a racist state in the past
a better comparison would be iran post shaw as a religious state
who persecutes any one not in the cult the rulers approve of
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BS marx while a jew had nothing to do with zionist ideals

and many on the far right until the recent flip
saw jews as commies, hitler and the KKK sure did

rather then S A as a racist state in the past
a better comparison would be iran post shah as a religious state
who persecutes any one not in the cult the rulers approve of
According to USCIRF 2017 report, Iran’s government engaged in systematic, ongoing and egregious violations of religious freedom, including prolonged detention, torture and executions based primarily or entirely upon the religion of the accused.

What do you think Israel does that is equivalent?
(hint: it doesn't)
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BS marx while a jew had nothing to do with zionist ideals
Marxism doesn't believe in intersectionalism, so to take on a Marxist identity you need to put aside other identities, including Judaism.

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and many on the far right until the resent flip
saw jews as commies, hitler and the KKK sure did
Yeah, Jews are hated for being commies until someone wants to hate them for being capitalists.

The reality being that Jews can be communist, capitalist, or neither. Just like non-Jewish people.

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rather then S A as a racist state in the past
a better comparison would be iran post shaw as a religious state
who persecutes any one not in the cult the rulers approve of
That's Iran. In Israel people of different faiths have religious freedom, which is one reason the Bahá'í World Centre is located there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3...D_World_Centre
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