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Old 27th April 2015, 01:43 AM   #361
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Instead, You could had easily replied, assuming so thought yuga period is there and its lifespan can be reduced due to unnatural modern negative introductions.
No we can't. Science and rationality works by assuming that reality follows certain rules. You cannot ask anybody to accept an arbitrary belief and then try to apply rational rules to it.

It is like asking: "Suppose I really have an invisible unicorn in my attic, how much will it need to eat?"

I'll try to put it in yet another way: You are assuming something, a yuga, to which no rational rules are connected, and expect us to discuss how actual events might influence it.

Do you understand?

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Old 27th April 2015, 01:47 AM   #362
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As I witten in my previous post; Instead, You could had easily replied, assuming so thought yuga period is there and its lifespan can be reduced due to unnatural modern negative introductions.
OK, I assume yuga is real.

Soo, I think yuga is actually increased due to unnatural modern negative introductions. The more unnatural, the longer yuga gets.

Can you see any reason that this assumption is less valid than any other?

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Old 27th April 2015, 05:41 AM   #363
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There is no rational reason to think that there is such thing as a predictable era or yuga.

Therefore we cannot discuss rationally wether something we do will change such a time-span.

In short, you cannot discuss belief systems scientifically, or even rationally.

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Old 27th April 2015, 05:45 AM   #364
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No we can't. Science and rationality works by assuming that reality follows certain rules. You cannot ask anybody to accept an arbitrary belief and then try to apply rational rules to it.

It is like asking: "Suppose I really have an invisible unicorn in my attic, how much will it need to eat?"

I'll try to put it in yet another way: You are assuming something, a yuga, to which no rational rules are connected, and expect us to discuss how actual events might influence it.

Do you understand?

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Yes true in science. But it looks quite logical that negative modern introductions can have substancial impact on life on earth and on its environment.
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Old 27th April 2015, 05:46 AM   #365
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OK, I assume yuga is real.

Soo, I think yuga is actually increased due to unnatural modern negative introductions. The more unnatural, the longer yuga gets.

Can you see any reason that this assumption is less valid than any other?

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You are justified to put this aurgument. Thanks.
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Old 27th April 2015, 06:03 AM   #366
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OK, I assume yuga is real.

Soo, I think yuga is actually increased due to unnatural modern negative introductions. The more unnatural, the longer yuga gets.

Can you see any reason that this assumption is less valid than any other?

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You are justified to put this aurgument. Thanks.

Are you saying that "unnatural modern negative introductions" may be a good thing?
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Old 27th April 2015, 08:15 AM   #367
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Are you saying that "unnatural modern negative introductions" may be a good thing?
To be fair: No, that is not what Kumar is saying. He is actually quite sensibly acknowledging that since we know nothing of the nature of yuga, any argument might be justified.

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Old 27th April 2015, 08:22 AM   #368
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Yes true in science. But it looks quite logical that negative modern introductions can have substancial impact on life on earth and on its environment.
I don't see anybody denying that. That is almost in your definition, after you included 'negative'. Note again how, once clearly formulated, your ideas become self-evident.

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Old 27th April 2015, 09:37 AM   #369
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To be fair: No, that is not what Kumar is saying. He is actually quite sensibly acknowledging that since we know nothing of the nature of yuga, any argument might be justified.

That's why I wrote "may be", not "is".

ETA: if he accepts that any argument might be justified, Kumar has to accept that his "negative introductions" might actually be beneficial, at least with respect to yuga.
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Old 27th April 2015, 08:17 PM   #370
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I don't see anybody denying that. That is almost in your definition, after you included 'negative'. Note again how, once clearly formulated, your ideas become self-evident.

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Yes thanks. We should look seriously on negative modern unnatural introductions to sustain.
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Are you saying that "unnatural modern negative introductions" may be a good thing?
why can't, if we can agree about balance is truth.
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Old 27th April 2015, 11:34 PM   #372
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Yes thanks. We should look seriously on negative modern unnatural introductions to sustain.
You mean, we shouldn't look frivolously on negative modern unnatural introductions to sustain?
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why can't, if we can agree about balance is truth.

Because it makes a complete nonsense of your use of the term "negative". You have defined the "modern introductions" you wish to discuss as "negative", but now said that they may be beneficial. This means that your use of the word "negative" doesn't exclude beneficial "introductions", so you're back at the original position in which "modern introductions" have resulted in greatly increased life expectancy.
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You mean, we shouldn't look frivolously on negative modern unnatural introductions to sustain?
When we have to look balance, we need to look both sides depending on imbalance.
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Old 28th April 2015, 12:58 AM   #375
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Because it makes a complete nonsense of your use of the term "negative". You have defined the "modern introductions" you wish to discuss as "negative", but now said that they may be beneficial. This means that your use of the word "negative" doesn't exclude beneficial "introductions", so you're back at the original position in which "modern introductions" have resulted in greatly increased life expectancy.
Simply, When we have to look balance, we need to look both sides depending on imbalance.
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Simply, When we have to look balance, we need to look both sides depending on imbalance.
Both sides of what, Kumar?
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Simply, When we have to look balance, we need to look both sides depending on imbalance.
The Balance of NatureWP is a fallacy which has been discredited by ecologists ages ago. It is left now to the realm of woo, not science.

Ironically, ecologists posit that human intervention, can be a positive intervention.
Although some conservationist organizations argue that human activity is incompatible with a balanced ecosystem, there are numerous examples in history showing that several modern day habitats originate from human activity: some of Latin America's rain forests owe their existence to humans planting and transplanting them, while the abundance of grazing animals in the Serengeti plain of Africa is thought by some ecologists to be partly due to human-set fires that created savanna habitats.

Possibly one of the best examples of an ecosystem fundamentally modified by human activity can be observed as a consequence of the Australian Aboriginal practice of "Fire-stick farming". The legacy of this practice over long periods has resulted in forests being converted to grasslands capable of sustaining larger populations of faunal prey, particularly in the northern and western regions of the continent. So thorough has been the effect of these deliberate regular burnings that many plant and tree species from affected regions have now completely adapted to the annual fire regime in that they require the passage of a fire before their seeds will even germinate.
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why can't, if we can agree about balance is truth.
Since the whole idea of balance in the context you are using it is nonsense;

balance =/= truth
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Simply, When we have to look balance, we need to look both sides depending on imbalance.

Indeed, so to be balanced we have to look at the results of all "modern introductions", not just the ones you regard as "negative". Your approach may be result of vested interest.
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The Balance of NatureWP is a fallacy which has been discredited by ecologists ages ago. It is left now to the realm of woo, not science.

Ironically, ecologists posit that human intervention, can be a positive intervention.
Although some conservationist organizations argue that human activity is incompatible with a balanced ecosystem, there are numerous examples in history showing that several modern day habitats originate from human activity: some of Latin America's rain forests owe their existence to humans planting and transplanting them, while the abundance of grazing animals in the Serengeti plain of Africa is thought by some ecologists to be partly due to human-set fires that created savanna habitats.

Possibly one of the best examples of an ecosystem fundamentally modified by human activity can be observed as a consequence of the Australian Aboriginal practice of "Fire-stick farming". The legacy of this practice over long periods has resulted in forests being converted to grasslands capable of sustaining larger populations of faunal prey, particularly in the northern and western regions of the continent. So thorough has been the effect of these deliberate regular burnings that many plant and tree species from affected regions have now completely adapted to the annual fire regime in that they require the passage of a fire before their seeds will even germinate.
Since the whole idea of balance in the context you are using it is nonsense;

balance =/= truth
May be, you are right, but to me balance is truth. This is individual's choice nothing to aurgue.
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Indeed, so to be balanced we have to look at the results of all "modern introductions", not just the ones you regard as "negative". Your approach may be result of vested interest.
May be you are right, Bye.
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Yes, but I am not advocating or opposing one side but just evaluating possible damages from one side unnaturalities--i.e. negative side.
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I am not suggesting but I am discussing one sided approach. Moreover what caused need for so looking positive introductions(passive or active) is also need to be better evalued.
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When we have to look balance, we need to look both sides depending on imbalance.
So do you want to look at the entire picture, or just one side?
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So do you want to look at the entire picture, or just one side?

He wants to look at one side and pretend that it's the entire picture.
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Yes thanks. We should look seriously on negative modern unnatural introductions to sustain.
Yes, of course. A lot of people do.

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Over population is a problem for many countries therefore they are persuing birth controls.
And birth control is an active invention, a no-no in your book n'est ce pas?

Honestly, fill me in here, your posts are so badly written and parsed that I am lost in the sea of stupid you write.
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This is one sided approach.
Wrong. It is a valid approach which shows your wittering to be nothing but idiotic hot air. I'm sorry if you find the truth harsh, but that doesn't make it any less truthful.


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We had already discussed it.
No you haven't. Other posters in this thread have made similar points to mine (and quite a few have done so a damned sight more elegantly I may say), and you have either ignored them or answered with non-sequiturs which have done nothing to disprove those rebuttals. That, sir, is not discussion, that is evasion.

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Therefore I started writing NEGATIVE unnatural introductions.
No you started by writing nonsense, in the mistaken confidence that the rest of us would suddenly start doing the Wayne's World "We're not Worthy!" routine at your feet. As soon as we started bringing in positive results of the modernity you so obviously hate you tried to move the goal-posts to exclude those positives, again in the mistakenly confident view that, now, we would suddenly start doing the Wayne's World "We're not Worthy!" routine at your feet. And currently you've descended into just posting random strings of nonsense words in the hopes that the concentrated stupid would make our heads a-splode!

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So your OP was a lie, you do not wish to discuss these two points honestly.

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Greetings!Just simple questions:-

1. Can predicted or estimated age of anything or being be affected by following unnatural modern interventions?
I gave you example

2. Can odd or unnatural modern interventions in nature bring major changes on earth or at universe level in view of following theories?
....[/quote]

Since you reject science,
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Yes true in science. But...
You obviously did not intend to argue the subject honestly with others, you merely wish to beat your dogma to death, as demonstrated by,
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May be, you are right, but to me balance is truth. This is individual's choice nothing to aurgue.
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So do you want to look at the entire picture, or just one side?
To look entire picture can lead to absolute and Final. However, if we want to look(not advocate) one side for any specific purpose that is also not odd. Here, my main intention was to know more about negative side and its possible multiplying effects. I didn't sai that positive side is not there.
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And birth control is an active invention, a no-no in your book n'est ce pas?

Honestly, fill me in here, your posts are so badly written and parsed that I am lost in the sea of stupid you write.
You are new here.
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So your OP was a lie, you do not wish to discuss these two points honestly.

I gave you example

2. Can odd or unnatural modern interventions in nature bring major changes on earth or at universe level in view of following theories?
....
Since you reject science,
You obviously did not intend to argue the subject honestly with others, you merely wish to beat your dogma to death, as demonstrated by,
bye[/quote]

Whatever were the words but I clarified my intentions. Moreover we may have to go very very deep to A&F level to declare any unnaturality as absolute positive, negative OR BALANCE.
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You are new here.
Irrelevant and not a response. As usual.
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... Moreover we may have to go very very deep to A&F level to declare any unnaturality as absolute positive, negative OR BALANCE.
Once you become critically ill, all your blather about 'A&F' and 'unnatural' will 'magically' become effectively unimportant to you.
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Irrelevant and not a response. As usual.
There is no use of furthur response or discussion since whatever could be discussed is already discuused and nothing can be added.

Hence Good Bye in this topic and thanks to all.
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There is no use of furthur response or discussion since whatever could be discussed is already discuused and nothing can be added.

Hence Good Bye in this topic and thanks to all.
You could try to add reality to your responses.

Okay, so you have nothing meaningful to offer, so you'll do the exact same thing all over again in a new thread.
Like before.

Instead of a thread with a light bulb, you might want to try a thread with a rock, it'll be more representative of your 'ideas' and the way you ... ehm .... attempt to convey them.
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Honestly, fill me in here, your posts are so badly written and parsed that I am lost in the sea of stupid you write.
You are new here.

Yes, the rest of us noticed it years ago.
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There is no use of furthur response or discussion since whatever could be discussed is already discuused and nothing can be added. Good Bye in this topic and thanks to all.
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Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about
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There is no use of furthur response or discussion since whatever could be discussed is already discuused and nothing can be added.

Hence Good Bye in this topic and thanks to all.

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When danger rears it's ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about
He gallantly chickened out.

Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat.
Oh bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.

Norm
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Old 29th April 2015, 12:58 AM   #398
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Whatever were the words but I clarified my intentions.

Yes, you made your bias very clear.
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Old 29th April 2015, 02:58 AM   #399
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Only needs a few amendments:

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
If this follows the typical yrreG Kumar pattern:

1. yrreG Kumar has it handed to him
2. yrreG Kumar realizes it long after everyone else does
3. yrreG Kumar turns tail and flees the thread
4. yrreG Kumar licks his wounds and goes into hibernation mode
5. yrreG Kumar starts a new thread and never mentions this one again

We are currently somewhere around stage 3 or 4.
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Only needs a few amendments:




We are currently somewhere around stage 3 or 4.
Your idiocy will never end. Discussions are over to my satisfaction. It can not continue infinitely. So your mentionings are big idiocy. Leave it, otherwise people may put you to ignore list. In this topic, your contribution was just adding to your post, nothing else. Good Bye and Sorry.
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