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It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150 |
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What do you base this belief on?
In my experience, going for the lower price has not always meant a lower cost. In many cases, quite the opposite. So is the mere fact it is done in the name of "lower prices" an argument in favor of something? I mean shipping all of our manufacturing jobs abroad to exploit 3rd world labor sure has lowered prices, too.
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Wanting a government that is active and responsive to commercial abuses (as if the idea that people will do anything for a buck is so outlandish) is not the same as saying you "need them to do everything." Sent from my SM-J327P using Tapatalk |
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It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150 |
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It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150 |
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That can't be it. All the secrecy and short deadlines was about bouncing a measure through because they knew it would be toxic. The more time passes the worse it gets. This is them throwing their hands up and enjoying summer, because who knows what the political landscape will be like come fall? Who knew it would be like this in spring?
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It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150 |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
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It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150 |
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Fortunately my income is not low enough to fall into the hole, where you make too much for medicaid and not enough to qualify for Obamacare, but I know a number of artists who do. The limit is only 12k for an individual but that is deceiving, when you are self employed lots of things are expenses, even a large bit of mortgage, utilities, etc., so that by the time you get to net income there is not much left.
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Region boundaries can be altered to fix problems. Or the state can work harder to convince an insurance company to serve and underserved region. Assuming of course that the state is interested in making the ACA work instead of making Obamacare fail for political reasons.
A list of where the 42 counties are might tell us a lot about the cause of the problem. |
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The Kaiser subsidy calculator is probably the best place to explore options.
A 45 year old person living in Austin, Texas with income of 115% of FPL would qualify for an enhanced Silver plan with a 94% actuarial value for $23 a month. A Bronze plan would have a $0 monthly premium. With an income below the FPL this person would be screwed because Texas didn't expand Medicaid. |
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What are people meaning when they say they "can't qualify for Obamacare?"
The ACA isn't a health coverage plan in and of itself. If they mean they don't qualify for subsidies, that's a different matter. Just one of many ways to subtly use language to make something that needs tweaking and adjusting into a condemnation of the entire system and that we simply have to abandon the whole thing. Sent from my SM-J327P using Tapatalk |
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Obamacare is almost synonymous with the subsidies. There are people who buy on the exchange who don't qualify for subsidies but they are in the minority.
ETA: I'm very much in favor of keeping the system. ETA2: The biggest mistake I see was making medicaid expansion optional. |
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Trump wants the government to pay for peoples' healthcare, and that is where he and congressional republicans differ.
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Sorry, wasn't sure if your statement was meant to be sarcastic or not.
I am assuming that you realize that kicking 22 million people off of insurance, and charging over 5 times more would result in a very large number of unnecessary deaths. Based on the culmination of over 130 studies on the subject, the historical data shows that 1,300 people would die every year for every 1 million people without health insurance. In other words, the GOP "healthcare" plan would result in 28,600 unnecessary deaths every year for the 22 million uninsured. Health Care Cuts Will Increase Odds Of Dying For The Uninsured, Medical Review Predicts Pointlessly killing off Americans is bad enough, but what's worse is the blood money is not even going to really help any other Americans besides the super rich. You can literally measure the number of people killed (mostly elderly, children, and the disadvantaged) that would be used to buy each new sports car from the extra money given to the super rich as a result of this bill. |
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But they're not really that limited in truth, are they? The trouble really isn't resource, it's allocation.
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Not zero, just 'as small as possible', huh?
Typical republican mantra. "We tried cutting taxes and removing regulations, and things just got worse. So obviously we need more tax cuts and deregulation!" "Eventually we will reach that magic spot where government is as small as possible but not quite zero, and everything will come up roses!". |
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The Constitution never mentions a state-funded military: only militias.
So if you want to have a Small Government the way the Founding Fathers envisioned, get rid of the entire defense budget. |
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Exactly: there are all those examples historically and even present day in the USA and other countries where cutting to the bone regulations, government, and safety nets has worked really well for the vast majority of the citizens. Well I can't think of one right now but I am certain that there are many! Whereas countries that are the opposite are horrible failures with horrible qualities of life. Right?
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Re dying without insurance, just found out today that one of the drugs I may need to take costs $10,000/month. Were I on Medicare (I'm not there yet) my share would be 33%, so $3,300/month for years or more.
A low income elderly person needing this drug would essentially be unable to buy it. Inadequate insurance coverage can indeed be a death sentence. |
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Low income elderly people can qualify for subsidies, as well as potentially qualifying or Medicaid that coordinates with Medicare.
Also, Drug coverage under Medicare varies by carrier, the 33% may be a good ballpark estimate, but many PDPs use copays rather than coinsurances. |
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Yes, and the key points are "can" which usually means maybe depending on the program and the details, and the definition of "low income." I would be exactly in this situation if not for having a good insurance plan through my employer ( the drug pricing is very similar). I am by no means low income and justifiably I am not eligible for subsidies form the drug manufacturer or state. I am a senior citizen. Yet there is no way I could afford $120,000 for one drug.
We've got to do a lot better than this as a society, rather than worse as the Trumpcare bills seek . |
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Subsidies? Do you mean from the drug manufacturer? To qualify for Medicaid you have to have a low income, in Texas below $23,522. Also. you must be pregnant,disabled or caretaker of someone with a disability, or over 65. https://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/1640
ETA: Or a parent of a dependent child under 19. |
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By subsidies, I mean Medicare Savings Program, Low Income Subsidies, and a couple of others.
https://www.medicare.gov/your-medica...ing-costs.html https://www.ehealthmedicare.com/medi...ncome-subsidy/ I don't know what the rules are for Medicare/Medicaid dual eligible. I believe they are different than for Non-Medicare-Eligible folks, but I'm fairly unfamiliar with them. |
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The BBC says that nine republican (at least, that's presumably what they mean) senators have said they will not support the Senate bill, but that Trump is optmisitic that they'll "get over the line". They also report a survey by USA Today saying that only 12% of Americans support the bill. (Most don't know, rather than opposing it.) I wonder what the chances of the Senate passing some version of it are!
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