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Old 1st September 2017, 10:08 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
No where did I mention I had "super knowledge that even PhDs don't have".

What I mentioned instead, was that I evaluate components that PhDs in machine learning don't demonstrate in their latest works.
So what you are suggesting is just a small iterative improvement and not anything revolutionary?
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Old 1st September 2017, 10:10 PM   #162
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That's baloney. You don't need a USD account to buy stuff online. Claiming that you do is untrue.
Where did I supposedly claim that only usd accounts may be used to purchase things online?
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Old 1st September 2017, 10:17 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by RussDill View Post
So what you are suggesting is just a small iterative improvement and not anything revolutionary?
Thought curvature, or any other model that encodes the machine learning related algebra of supermanifolds, is a likely viable model that may non-trivially form artificial general intelligence, as evidence shows that beyond manifolds, cognitive science concerns super-symmetric phenomena.
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
Thought curvature, or any other model that encodes the machine learning related algebra of supermanifolds, is a likely viable model that may non-trivially form artificial general intelligence, as evidence shows that beyond manifolds, cognitive science concerns super-symmetric phenomena.
So you are claiming to have solved the strong AI problem, the holy grail of AI research, but sure, nowhere have you claimed that you have "super knowledge that even PhDs don't have".
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Old 1st September 2017, 10:39 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
Where did I supposedly claim that only usd accounts may be used to purchase things online?
You seemed to be going on an on about your bank difficulties in relation to purchasing cloud compute time. Your comments seemed to center around USD accounts.

Are you now claiming that you understand that USD accounts are not required to purchase things in the US? I know that I use my bank card to purchase things in person and online all the time in other currencies.
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Old 1st September 2017, 10:55 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by RussDill View Post
You seemed to be going on an on about your bank difficulties in relation to purchasing cloud compute time. Your comments seemed to center around USD accounts.

Are you now claiming that you understand that USD accounts are not required to purchase things in the US? I know that I use my bank card to purchase things in person and online all the time in other currencies.
Amazon operates across many regions beyond the US, and so, it is silly for you to try to claim that I thought USD accounts were required to purchase things in the US, given that Amazon operates in many regions beyond the US.
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Originally Posted by RussDill View Post
Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan
Thought curvature, or any other model that encodes the machine learning related algebra of supermanifolds, is a likely viable model that may non-trivially form artificial general intelligence, as evidence shows that beyond manifolds, cognitive science concerns super-symmetric phenomena.
So you are claiming to have solved the strong AI problem, the holy grail of AI research, but sure, nowhere have you claimed that you have "super knowledge that even PhDs don't have".
No.
I have highlighted some relevant portions from my prior response.

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Old 1st September 2017, 11:35 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
Where did I supposedly claim that only usd accounts may be used to purchase things online?
Right here...
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I often refer to the visa card in relation to a USD account, because typically, transactions occur in terms of us dollars.
A "USD account" is irrelevant. You simply threw it in as a red herring.
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Old 1st September 2017, 11:47 PM   #170
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Right here...

A "USD account" is irrelevant. You simply threw it in as a red herring.
Of what relevance is your response amidst the original post?
..and still, no where had I expressed that USD accounts were necessary for all online transactions.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 03:46 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
Of what relevance is your response amidst the original post?
..and still, no where had I expressed that USD accounts were necessary for all online transactions.
You stated...

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Unfortunately, until very recently, I had not any USD account, in order to make purchases on the cloud.
Knowing full well that a USD account is not necessary.

What word would you use to describe such a statement?
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Old 2nd September 2017, 05:14 AM   #172
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
What word would you use to describe such a statement?

The forum software won't allow me to post it.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 05:59 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
You stated...

Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan
Unfortunately, until very recently, I had not any USD account, in order to make purchases on the cloud.
Knowing full well that a USD account is not necessary.

What word would you use to describe such a statement?
Okay, time to spell things out real clear for you, as usual abaddon:

A USD account may not be necessary, but a USD account may be used to fulfill the task at hand.

Whatever account is usable for online shopping, I lacked a way to make online purchases.

The question is why did you automatically translate my recent obtaining of a USD account, into "I was waiting on a USD account, as only through USD accounts can one do online shopping"?

Did you think I was born with a way to shop online? Don't you think I had to acquire some way to do online shopping?

Why do you proceed to post inconsequential, irrelevant *****?

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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
The question is why did you automatically translate my recent obtaining of a USD account, into "I was waiting on a USD account, as only through USD accounts can one do online shopping"?

The question is, do you understand that if you cite not having a USD account as a reason that you are unable to do online shopping you are implying that a USD account is needed for online shopping?

The question was perhaps rhetorical.
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Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
The question is, do you understand that if you cite not having a USD account as a reason that you are unable to do online shopping you are implying that a USD account is needed for online shopping?

The question was perhaps rhetorical.

Why still, do you choose to so fervently coerce:

(1) 'I was waiting on account X, to do online shopping"

Into

(2) 'I was waiting on account X, because only account X facilitates online shopping'.


FOOTNOTE:
Why bother to join in with abbadon to express utter *****?

If you are not equipped to handle the original post, why bother to post inconsequential *****?

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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
Why still, do you choose to so fervently coerce:

(1) 'I was waiting on account X, to do online shopping"

Into

(2) 'I was waiting on account X, because only account X facilitates online shopping'.

I didn't. I pointed out that your statement implied that a USD account is necessary.

And I'm not "coercing" anything. You are the one who is torturing the English language (although you have not yet forced it to reveal your meaning).

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Knock it off with the unnecessary "footnotes".
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan
Why still, do you choose to so fervently coerce:

(1) 'I was waiting on account X, to do online shopping"

Into

(2) 'I was waiting on account X, because only account X facilitates online shopping'.


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Why bother to join in with abbadon to express utter *****?

If you are not equipped to handle the original post, why bother to post inconsequential *****?
I didn't. I pointed out that your statement implied that a USD account is necessary.

And I'm not "coercing" anything. You are the one who is torturing the English language (although you have not yet forced it to reveal your meaning).

FOOTNOTE:
Knock it off with the unnecessary "footnotes".
You pointed out nothing, for I had long stated (See source) that no where had I expressed that the usage of USD accounts is the only way to do online shopping.

Now either sensibly contribute w.r.t. to the original post, or cease to post invalid, irrelevant *****.

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Old 2nd September 2017, 01:37 PM   #179
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
No.
I have highlighted some relevant portions from my prior response.
I've highlighted the much more revelant portion of your quote:

Quote:
Thought curvature, or any other model that encodes the machine learning related algebra of supermanifolds, is a likely viable model that may non-trivially form artificial general intelligence, as evidence shows that beyond manifolds, cognitive science concerns super-symmetric phenomena.
Don't think couching it in "likely" and "non-trivially" changes much.

BTW, I like how you kept saying "USD account" over and over, and then backtracked and said you just meant the "account" part, the USD portion was irrelevant. As, you don't have any type of bank account at all.
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Originally Posted by RussDill View Post
Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
No.
I have highlighted some relevant portions from my prior response.
I've highlighted the much more revelant portion of your quote:

Quote:
Thought curvature, or any other model that encodes the machine learning related algebra of supermanifolds, is a likely viable model that may non-trivially form artificial general intelligence, as evidence shows that beyond manifolds, cognitive science concerns super-symmetric phenomena.
Don't think couching it in "likely" and "non-trivially" changes much.
Just more thesaurial fanwankery.

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BTW, I like how you kept saying "USD account" over and over, and then backtracked and said you just meant the "account" part, the USD portion was irrelevant. As, you don't have any type of bank account at all.
Well, what exactly did he say?

Quote:
Unfortunately, until very recently, I had not any USD account, in order to make purchases on the cloud.
That is simply flat out wrong and he knows it. We live in an age of IBAN and BIC and SWIFT, etc. Until a couple of months ago I had one single customer remaining who issued cheques and I finally battered that to death. I am now E-commerce all the way.
ProgrammingGodJordan seems innocent of this, thinking that one must establish an account in the appropriate currency in order to trade in said currency.

This is obviously wrong.

How, you might ask, do I know this? Well, a significant part of my daily toil is to code this kind of stuff. ProgrammingGodJordan is talking utter bollocks. There is nowhere else to place it.
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Originally Posted by RussDill View Post
I've highlighted the much more revelant portion of your quote:



Don't think couching it in "likely" and "non-trivially" changes much.

BTW, I like how you kept saying "USD account" over and over, and then backtracked and said you just meant the "account" part, the USD portion was irrelevant. As, you don't have any type of bank account at all.
There was no such backtracking.

You proceed to falsely coerce "I was waiting until USD account was setup, in order to do online shopping" into "I was waiting for a USD account, because only USD accounts facilitate online shopping".

FOOTNOTE:
No where had I said I solved strong Ai.
The above remains true, regardless of your feelings.
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Just more thesaurial fanwankery.

Well, what exactly did he say?



That is simply flat out wrong and he knows it. We live in an age of IBAN and BIC and SWIFT, etc. Until a couple of months ago I had one single customer remaining who issued cheques and I finally battered that to death. I am now E-commerce all the way.
ProgrammingGodJordan seems innocent of this, thinking that one must establish an account in the appropriate currency in order to trade in said currency.

This is obviously wrong.

How, you might ask, do I know this? Well, a significant part of my daily toil is to code this kind of stuff. ProgrammingGodJordan is talking utter bollocks. There is nowhere else to place it.
Like your comrade above, you proceed to falsely coerce "I was waiting until USD account was setup, in order to do online shopping" into "I was waiting for a USD account, because only USD accounts facilitate online shopping".

What do you gain in expressing such nonsense?

Why can't your responses demonstrate the understanding that simply, my mentioning I got a USD account for the purpose of doing online shopping, does not necessitate that USD accounts are the only means of online business?

Do you not see that you are ironically wrong, for strictly bounding those words such that the false necessitation arises?


FOOTNOTE:
When shall you finally contribute, with respect to the original post?

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Needs more footnotes.
I ponder whether such footnotes are feasible or helpful.

The level of discourse on some skeptical websites, amidst some users, are quite the disappointment.

I ponder whether they are trolling.

Some of the quality of discourse is akin to theistic nonsense.

Perhaps they are theistic?
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L"I was waiting until USD account was setup, in order to do online shopping"
Why exactly was that an obstacle to online shopping?
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...Of what relevance is your response amidst the original post?...
Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
...I don't detect any sensible data amidst your response...
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...The level of discourse on some skeptical websites, amidst some users, are quite the disappointment...
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Yup. Our proponent thinks that such wordy baloney wordiness lends weight.

It doesn't.
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Yup. Our proponent thinks that such wordy baloney wordiness lends weight.

It doesn't.
'Blather' appears to be the pretentious expression du jour. 'Ponder' is making a strong showing as well. I'm afraid they'll have to be added to the drink-trigger-word list.
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'Blather' appears to be the pretentious expression du jour. 'Ponder' is making a strong showing as well. I'm afraid they'll have to be added to the drink-trigger-word list.
I favour "amidst" on the basis that it is deployed so inappropriately.
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan
I was waiting until USD account was setup, in order to do online shopping"
Why exactly was that an obstacle to online shopping?
Without the setup of the USD account (or any other internationally aligned, suitable account), I could not do online shopping internationally.

That I was waiting in particular for USD account to be set up (I have to setup some form of international account anyway) does not necessitate that only USD accounts facilitate online shopping.


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What is an international aligned account? And why would it be required to purchase cloud computing resources? Again, I have several bank accounts and bank cards. None of them are special in any way but I've had no problems making international purchases online or in person in a variety of currencies.
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Looking online several Jamaican banks still offer debit cards both with and without VISA. Is this what you are trying to say?
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What is an internationally aligned account? And why would it be required to purchase cloud computing resources? Again, I have several bank accounts and bank cards. None of them are special in any way but I've had no problems making international purchases online or in person in a variety of currencies.
I can't directly use a local Jamaican account to purchase anything internationally.

An internationally aligned account, not surprisingly, is any account that facilitates shopping on an international scale.
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Looking online several Jamaican banks still offer debit cards both with and without VISA. Is this what you are trying to say?
As I said before, any internationally aligned account shall suffice such that I may make purchases globally.


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Anything to contribute (w.r.t. to OP) beyond talk of debit cards?

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I favour "amidst" on the basis that it is deployed so inappropriately.
Betwixt is my favourite. Despite showing PGJ that it is a direct replacement for between and can only be used for the specific circumstance of being between two physical objects, he carries on abusing it.
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Betwixt is my favourite. Despite showing PGJ that it is a direct replacement for between and can only be used for the specific circumstance of being between two physical objects, he carries on abusing it.
Pay attention in particular to item 4 on the following list of betwixt usage examples:

https://www.foboko.com/sentence-dict...nglish/betwixt


QUESTION:
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Snipped generic PGJ nonsense

What do you gain in expressing such nonsense?


Snipped additional nonsense
That's the question you should answer.

Your "NB" jive is weak.

Even giving it the benefit of the doubt it's clear that this is some fixation based on delusions of grandeur.

Your philosophical/pseudo scientific claptrap has no merit.
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Old 3rd September 2017, 01:54 AM   #197
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
Pay attention in particular to item 4 on the following list of betwixt usage examples:

https://www.foboko.com/sentence-dict...nglish/betwixt

None if the items there support your usage of the word "betwixt". It is possible that it doesn't always display exactly the same quotations.

Can you quote the item that you think supports your usage?

Quote:
QUESTION:
Have you anything sensible to contribute, wrt to the original post?

Do you?
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
Without the setup of the USD account (or any other internationally aligned, suitable account), I could not do online shopping internationally.

That I was waiting in particular for USD account to be set up (I have to setup some form of international account anyway) does not necessitate that only USD accounts facilitate online shopping.


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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
I can't directly use a local Jamaican account to purchase anything internationally.

An internationally aligned account, not surprisingly, is any account that facilitates shopping on an international scale.
That's total crap. Both personally and commercially, I have bought and sold "on an international scale" whatever that is. Setting up a USD account is unnecessary and you know it.
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Old 3rd September 2017, 10:00 AM   #199
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Originally Posted by ProgrammingGodJordan View Post
As I said before, any internationally aligned account shall suffice such that I may make purchases globally.
I eagerly await the groundbreaking results of your experiments.
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You might want to find something else to do for the next month or so....
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