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Old 17th August 2017, 12:04 PM   #1
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Charlottesville Car Crash Video

Below is a video that shows someone hitting the Dodge which struck other cars and demonstrators prior to the crash. Some are claiming this event caused the driver to accelerate out of fear leading to the accident. Unsurprisingly, this video only shows a few seconds, and no lead up; which leads me to suspect the editor did not want us to see what happened before. Take that with witnesses who said the car sat at the top of the hill for a while, and then accelerated down the hill. Anyone know of a longer clip?

http://www.departmentofmemes.com/art...-baseball-bat/
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Old 17th August 2017, 12:26 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by grandmastershek View Post
Below is a video that shows someone hitting the Dodge which struck other cars and demonstrators prior to the crash. Some are claiming this event caused the driver to accelerate out of fear leading to the accident. Unsurprisingly, this video only shows a few seconds, and no lead up; which leads me to suspect the editor did not want us to see what happened before. Take that with witnesses who said the car sat at the top of the hill for a while, and then accelerated down the hill. Anyone know of a longer clip?

http://www.departmentofmemes.com/art...-baseball-bat/
Title should be "Charlottesville terrorist attack video".
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Old 17th August 2017, 12:30 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by grandmastershek View Post
Below is a video that shows someone hitting the Dodge which struck other cars and demonstrators prior to the crash. Some are claiming this event caused the driver to accelerate out of fear leading to the accident. Unsurprisingly, this video only shows a few seconds, and no lead up; which leads me to suspect the editor did not want us to see what happened before. Take that with witnesses who said the car sat at the top of the hill for a while, and then accelerated down the hill. Anyone know of a longer clip?

http://www.departmentofmemes.com/art...-baseball-bat/

I posted that link yesterday and it appears that the video has been changed slightly. It zooms in on the guy hitting the car and conveniently edits out the beginning when the car takes off showing the drivers intent. The car is already fully accelerating and the guy who strikes the car is, IMO, trying to get the attention of the driver and make the car slow down.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=322173
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Old 17th August 2017, 12:30 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by grandmastershek View Post
Below is a video that shows someone hitting the Dodge which struck other cars and demonstrators prior to the crash. Some are claiming this event caused the driver to accelerate out of fear leading to the accident. Unsurprisingly, this video only shows a few seconds, and no lead up; which leads me to suspect the editor did not want us to see what happened before. Take that with witnesses who said the car sat at the top of the hill for a while, and then accelerated down the hill. Anyone know of a longer clip?

http://www.departmentofmemes.com/art...-baseball-bat/
Wow.

I've seen a longer vid, it's all over youtube, and he seems to be speeding down the street, but by the time this (your) vid starts he is clearly going slowly and the car get hit in the rear left by a guy who pretty calmly steps up and swings a bat, that he, he was running or jumping to try to catch up, he just stepped up and swung. This vid has changed my assessment of what happened.
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
I posted that link yesterday and it appears that the video has been changed slightly. It zooms in on the guy hitting the car and conveniently edits out the beginning when the car takes off showing the drivers intent. The car is already fully accelerating and the guy who strikes the car is, IMO, trying to get the attention of the driver and make the car slow down.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=322173
Yep. The full video is freely available. He speeds towards the protestors, and speeds up even more when he gets close. The Nazi terrorist's intention is clear from the get go.
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Old 17th August 2017, 12:43 PM   #6
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Here's something I just found trying to find a webcache of the video. It's from Free Republic so take it with a grain of salt:

http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/3577814/posts

Towards the middle of the page there are some different still photographs with annotation.
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Old 17th August 2017, 12:47 PM   #7
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Here is the vid that starts earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9S7x37GLQ

The guy swings the bat 4 seconds in. The driver is going to walk and those lawsuits will have to be against antifa.
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Old 17th August 2017, 12:49 PM   #8
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Saggy, as usual, your powers of perception are unimpeachable
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Here is the vid that starts earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9S7x37GLQ

The guy swings the bat 4 seconds in. The driver is going to walk and those lawsuits will have to be against antifa.
Because really, it was the guy with the bat who hit the car so hard that it flew into the crowd.

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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Because really, it was the guy with the bat who hit the car so hard that it flew into the crowd.

Or the driver, after being assaulted by a member of the crowd, speeds away in fear, and incidentally defends himself from the crowd with the best defensive weapon at hand- his car.

Even in California, self defense is legal. We all know how dangerous riots can be.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Because really, it was the guy with the bat who hit the car so hard that it flew into the crowd.

The only person who can do that is Aaron Judge and he's too busy at the moment to have been involved.
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Here is the vid that starts earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9S7x37GLQ

The guy swings the bat 4 seconds in. The driver is going to walk and those lawsuits will have to be against antifa.
Seems SOP for SJWs to edit off the beginning, the cause of incidents.
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
Or the driver, after being assaulted by a member of the crowd, speeds away in fear, and incidentally defends himself from the crowd with the best defensive weapon at hand- his car.

Even in California, self defense is legal. We all know how dangerous riots can be.
He defended himself from the people who were 40 yards in front of his car?

Because that's where the people he killed and injured were.
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Seems SOP for SJWs to edit off the beginning, the cause of incidents.
Look at you, finding excuses for a Nazi murderer.
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Here is the vid that starts earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9S7x37GLQ

The guy swings the bat 4 seconds in. The driver is going to walk and those lawsuits will have to be against antifa.
That should set a big one off...
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Or the driver, after being assaulted by a member of the crowd, speeds away in fear, and incidentally defends himself from the crowd with the best defensive weapon at hand- his car.

Even in California, self defense is legal. We all know how dangerous riots can be.
Funny how all these "We Are Not Racist" Trump supporters are trying their best to stand up for the Nazis, Isn't it?
Just like Dear Leader.
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Funny how all these "We Are Not Racist" Trump supporters are trying their best to stand up for the Nazis, Isn't it?
Just like Dear Leader.
After Charlottesville, we have a much better understanding about who among us are Nazi-curious. The mask is coming off.
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No doubt the Jews orchestrated this!
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Here is the vid that starts earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9S7x37GLQ

The guy swings the bat 4 seconds in. The driver is going to walk and those lawsuits will have to be against antifa.
People are already fleeing the car before the bat swinger does anything that can be perceived as threatening.
The brake lights are off throughout the clip, which means at no point did the driver react to the fact that pedestrians are blocking the street.

This is clear intention to murder.
The guy who swings the bat (or whatever it is) reacts to a murderous attack in progress. It's perhaps not a useful move, but probably the best he could have done at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Here is the vid that starts earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9S7x37GLQ

The guy swings the bat 4 seconds in. The driver is going to walk and those lawsuits will have to be against antifa.
Evidently the legal system is another subject that you are unfamiliar with.

The 20 yo Army washout is facing 2nd degree murder charges and there is video of him committing the act.

Odds are that the best he's going to be able to get is a deal for some degree of vehicular manslaughter.

Judging by the success record of folks suing wp mental defectives, I'd say whoever has their name and "white nationalist" group name associated with this cluster **** is going to be sitting for interrogatories and will be learning some hard lessons behind this incident - ask Tom Metzger, he learned it the hard way too:

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/26/ne...p.html?mcubz=3

" When jurors in Oregon assessed more than $12 million in damages against a white supremacist group and its leaders this week, they virtually indentured the leaders for the rest of their lives."

Gotta love that end result. Can't wait to see wp worms squirm when they're on the hook.
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Seems SOP for SJWs to edit off the beginning, the cause of incidents.
I wasn't aware that "SJW" is an abbreviation for Nazi scum?

Because the beginning of the clip shows

1. The car going down the street (past the videographer) at considerable speed
2. People reacting to speeding car by starting to run to the sides
3. Car NOT braking but keeping straight at pedestrian crowd
At this point, the intention to murder is obvious.
4. Person on sidewalk swings something at car, possibly in the "dead angle" of the driver.

It is obvious and clear that the swinger was reacting to the murdere and his murder weapon, the car.
It is equally obvious that you just wrote an apology for a Nazi murderer.
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Seems SOP for SJWs to edit off the beginning, the cause of incidents.
The beginning was exactly what was edited out in the video in the OP. You know, the part that shows the driver already speeding towards the crowd before one of the protestors hit his car with a bat.
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People are already fleeing the car before the bat swinger does anything that can be perceived as threatening.
Excellent point!
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1. The car going down the street (past the videographer) at considerable speed
Yup, I've pointed that out to the nutters. His wheels squeak and he bottoms out when the pavement changes to asphalt. It does the same exact thing when he acccelerates in reverse. There is no way he was driving as a responsible driver in either direction.
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Originally Posted by grandmastershek View Post
Unsurprisingly, this video only shows a few seconds, and no lead up; which leads me to suspect the editor did not want us to see what happened before.
Fake news.

SOP for the Deplorables.

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I wasn't aware that "SJW" is an abbreviation for Nazi scum?
It is now!
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I wasn't aware that "SJW" is an abbreviation for Nazi scum? ...
On a serious note, there do seem to be a few posters on this site who get "triggered" easily by SJW's. Actually, I think any mention that a group (protesters or not protesters) contains a smattering of Transgenders, Gays, or Lesbians triggers them into labeling the whole group as uppity SJW's-who can then be dismissed accordingly.
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Here is one of the Unite the Right leaders commenting on the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg&t=19m45s
Watch for a good minute.
Then ask yourself: Do I agree with this *******?


The video clip itself, with a bit more context, can be reviewed at 11:11 minutes.
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Jesus h.
WTF is going on over there.
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No doubt the Jews orchestrated this!
The baseball bat was invented by a Jew after all.
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Here is the vid that starts earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9S7x37GLQ

The guy swings the bat 4 seconds in. The driver is going to walk and those lawsuits will have to be against antifa.
Four seconds in as in after the driver is racing toward the crowd?

Did it dawn on you if he was fleeing people he would have turned the corner at the intersection he went through rather than continuing on into an obvious road block of people and stopped cars?
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Or the driver, after being assaulted by a member of the crowd, speeds away in fear, and incidentally defends himself from the crowd with the best defensive weapon at hand- his car.

Even in California, self defense is legal. We all know how dangerous riots can be.
Straw clinging has been taken up as a cause I see.
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Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Here is the vid that starts earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9S7x37GLQ

The guy swings the bat 4 seconds in. The driver is going to walk and those lawsuits will have to be against antifa.
Well, no, given that it's perfectly clear that the guy accelerated with intent long before he was hit by any bat. Frankly, it's lucky that there was a car in front of him, or he could have killed far more people.

Also, any reason to think that "Antifa" would be sued given that they were a small part of the counter-protest - or that they *could* be sued given that they aren't an actual, organized group? Do you have any idea what you're typing?
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Can the the title of this thread be changed to what it really is?

"Car attack in Charlottesville"

(at least the people of Barcelona are spared endless internet posts about how the whole thing is the fault of the crowd that the van plowed into)
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Originally Posted by bignickel View Post
Can the the title of this thread be changed to what it really is?

"Car attack in Charlottesville"

(at least the people of Barcelona are spared endless internet posts about how the whole thing is the fault of the crowd that the van plowed into)
Yes. It's quite disgusting really.
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Old 19th August 2017, 09:45 AM   #35
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Title should be "Charlottesville terrorist attack video".
Not yet clear that it is terrorism.
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Old 19th August 2017, 12:41 PM   #36
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Can the the title of this thread be changed to what it really is?

"Car attack in Charlottesville"

(at least the people of Barcelona are spared endless internet posts about how the whole thing is the fault of the crowd that the van plowed into)
To be consistent with what we've called the nearly identical attacks worldwide, shouldn't it be:

"Terrorist attack in Charlottesville"
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To be consistent with what we've called the nearly identical attacks worldwide, shouldn't it be:

"Terrorist attack in Charlottesville"
Yes, that would be even better. You may not that I called for that in the second post of the thread.
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I've never carried a baseball bat to anything except a baseball game.


When the trial comes up, I hope there's a plea deal. I think he's guilty, but I'm not sure what charge. Until I watched the videos I saw today, I assumed this was a straightforward, easy to judge, case. Afterwards? I'm not so sure. What advice would you give to a guy in his situation? Stop the car? Get out of it? He's surrounded by an angry mob with baseball bats.

Of course, one bit of advice would be to not be a neo-Nazi pond scum, but that's not legally relevant.

If it goes to trial, the results could be unfortunate. He could get off and/or the trial itself could spark more violence.

ETA: It's hard to tell whether he had a clear way out if he had gone into reverse. It looks like he might have. After he hit the crowd, he had no exit without hitting people, but that might be a consequence of running into the crowd.

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I've never carried a baseball bat to anything except a baseball game.


When the trial comes up, I hope there's a plea deal. I think he's guilty, but I'm not sure what charge. Until I watched the videos I saw today, I assumed this was a straightforward, easy to judge, case. Afterwards? I'm not so sure. What advice would you give to a guy in his situation? Stop the car? Get out of it? He's surrounded by an angry mob with baseball bats.

Of course, one bit of advice would be to not be a neo-Nazi pond scum, but that's not legally relevant.

If it goes to trial, the results could be unfortunate. He could get off and/or the trial itself could spark more violence.

ETA: It's hard to tell whether he had a clear way out if he had gone into reverse. It looks like he might have. After he hit the crowd, he had no exit without hitting people, but that might be a consequence of running into the crowd.
I would propose we don't play internet detective or form opinions on this until much further into the development between the government and a defense attorney.
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...Until I watched the videos I saw today, I assumed this was a straightforward, easy to judge, case. Afterwards? I'm not so sure. What advice would you give to a guy in his situation? Stop the car? Get out of it? He's surrounded by an angry mob with baseball bats...
Don't intentionally drive into a crowd of baseball bat wielding protesters and kill one of them?
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