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Old 23rd September 2017, 11:40 AM   #1
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Trump and NFL boycott

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nd-Anthem.html
President Donald Trump has ratcheted up the national controversy over black National Football League players who refuse to stand while the U.S. National Anthem is played before games.

"During a Friday night political rally in Alabama, Trump called on fans to boycott teams that allow players to engage in that particular form of protest."

Well this is going to be a ********
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Old 23rd September 2017, 11:42 AM   #2
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We used to have presidents that presidented, instead of getting involved in entertainment industry spats.
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Payback is a you-know-what:

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Trump bought the [football team] New Jersey Generals after the United States Football Leaugue's inaugural season, which was played in the spring of 1983, and soon after he started pushing his fellow owners to move the league's games to the fall and go head-to-head with the NFL. "If God wanted football in the spring," Trump once said, "he wouldn't have created baseball." After the league's third season, the owners agreed to move to a fall schedule in 1986.

"I think it was a big mistake," said Dr. Ted Diethrich, one of the league's original owners. "When that decision was made, the course for this was charted, and it was going to be a wreck." The league soon folded, and Trump's push for the fall schedule and a lawsuit against the NFL is generally cited as the main reason. link to Sports Illustrated article
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Old 23rd September 2017, 12:01 PM   #4
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He also said the NFL sucks because they are trying to eliminate violent hits. And he did this the same day we found out Aaron Hernandez had a terrible case of CTE.

It's like he tries to find ways to be insensitive.
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Old 23rd September 2017, 12:30 PM   #5
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It's going to be entertaining to watch the usual suspects hand-wave this away while explaining the greatest threat to free speech is coming from the left.
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Old 23rd September 2017, 12:39 PM   #6
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I've been noticing that Trump almost seems to be having fun by making his rabid conservative base take positions that seem so antithetical to their identity.

He's already got them saying "So what if a candidate worked with a hostile foreign power to influence the US election" Now he's got them against football.

Here's my prediction. Maybe not the next target, but some time in the next year, Trump will turn his posse against red meat.
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Old 23rd September 2017, 12:43 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
Trump will turn his posse against red meat.
Didn't he basically do that by getting them on board the unpalatable well done steak with ketchup?

This was just him returning to the classics and playing to white racial grievance politics. He was literally addressing a largely white crowd as "people like yourselves," and referring to protesting athletes, mostly African American, as "those people," in this speech.
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Old 23rd September 2017, 01:46 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
It's going to be entertaining to watch the usual suspects hand-wave this away while explaining the greatest threat to free speech is coming from the left.
Yes, the usual suspects
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Old 23rd September 2017, 02:27 PM   #10
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You almost have to feel sorry for the NFL owners. They can't do what Trump suggests (fire the kneelers) because their agreement with the union prohibits that, and it would ignite a further firestorm.

And yet the more attention paid to the kneelers, the more revenues the NFL loses. And this comes just as the TV ratings were heading lower anyway as everybody cuts the cable, and others are starting to rethink their affection for the game due to the revelations about CTE.

Yeah, for now they still have their existing contracts with television, but I'm going to guess that the bargaining on the next round is going to be brutal for the owners.

And now Trump calls for a boycott if they don't do something about the protests? I'm going to guess that the NFL owners are going to collectively lose a couple billion dollars in market value.
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Old 23rd September 2017, 02:43 PM   #11
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I think the biggest mistake opponents make is thinking the players want to inject politics into football or want to be kneeling.
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Trump has a strange history with the National Football League (NFL). In 1984 he told New York Times sportswriter Ira Berkow he, Trump, passed on a chance to buy the Dallas Cowboys:
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"There were three or four available -- that still are available, including, of course, the Dallas Cowboys," Trump told Berkow. "I could have bought an NFL club for $40 million or $50 million, but it's established and you would just see it move laterally. Not enough to create there." News link
Trump told Berkow, "I feel sorry for the poor guy who is going to buy the Dallas Cowboys." Five years later, in 1989, the Cowboys were sold for $140 million. By 2016 Forbes was reporting the Cowboys were possibly the most valuable team in sports, with a market value estimated at around $4 billion.

But The Donster was too smart to have wasted his time or money on a team like the Cowboys. Instead he bought the New Jersey Generals of the United States Football League. The team (and league) folded in 1986 and Donnie lost about $10 million. Not too bad, actually. By the Trumpmeister's standards a mere ten million dollar loss is almost a win!
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A slight deviation from the OP, but only slightly. So both the NFL and the NBA in the same day? Impressive, Mr. President. In case you haven't seen, he also ''uninvited'' the NBA champion Golden State Warriors from attending the White House, singling out youth icon Stephen Curry in his tweets. Lebron James has gone back at Trump, saying that attending the White House ''was an honor until you showed up''. I will add this to things I never thought I would see the President do, but now have...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/23/s...k.html?mcubz=0
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Didn't he basically do that by getting them on board the unpalatable well done steak with ketchup?

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Ketchup is about the only thing left for a well-done steak, except maybe formaldehyde.
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Originally Posted by John Jones View Post
Ketchup is about the only thing left for a well-done steak, except maybe formaldehyde.
Well done!
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Originally Posted by chrispy View Post
A slight deviation from the OP, but only slightly. So both the NFL and the NBA in the same day? Impressive, Mr. President. In case you haven't seen, he also ''uninvited'' the NBA champion Golden State Warriors from attending the White House, singling out youth icon Stephen Curry in his tweets. Lebron James has gone back at Trump, saying that attending the White House ''was an honor until you showed up''. I will add this to things I never thought I would see the President do, but now have...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/23/s...k.html?mcubz=0

One must admire Trump's unflagging support of the First Amendment.
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Wow! Your president is an absolute twat! That's all he is!
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Old 23rd September 2017, 04:23 PM   #18
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This festering pile of dog **** isn't going to rest until he gets a war of some kind. Nuclear, race, civil war, something.
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post

He's already got them saying "So what if a candidate worked with a hostile foreign power to influence the US election" Now he's got them against football.
Nothing to do with football. It's just about uppity N-words, and his base was already opposed to them.
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Nothing to do with football. It's just about uppity N-words, and his base was already opposed to them.
B-b-but Trump loves 'the blacks'...
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B-b-but Trump loves 'the blacks'...
...as long as they know their place.
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David Frum had this response to offer regarding Trump's tweets about the NFL players.
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Ketchup is about the only thing left for a well-done steak, except maybe formaldehyde.
Toss it in a chili.
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When he's not busy getting into childish verbal arguments with foreign leaders and threaten the lives of millions of people he spends his precious days as President sowing discontent among the population by engaging in gratuitously divisive disparagement of athletes.

But hey bashing black athletes is popular among Trump supporters so more power to him.
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
When he's not busy getting into childish verbal arguments with foreign leaders and threaten the lives of millions of people he spends his precious days as President sowing discontent among the population by engaging in gratuitously divisive disparagement of athletes.

But hey bashing black athletes is popular among Trump supporters so more power to him.
Which appears to have been the sole point of this tirade. His schtick about tax cuts and healthcare reform bombed with the crowd in Alabama so he went with something he knew would rile them up.
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I don't know if you can find it on demand, but watch the ESPN documentary about Trump's insane involvement with professional football: Who Killed the USFL?
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The first MLB baseball player just did 'the kneel'. Bruce Maxwell from the Oakland Athletics.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...aign=editorial
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The first MLB baseball player just did 'the kneel'. Bruce Maxwell from the Oakland Athletics.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...aign=editorial
Taking a knee while putting your cap over your heart certainly doesn't strike me as a sign of disrespect. Is that what other athletes are doing?
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Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
I don't know if you can find it on demand, but watch the ESPN documentary about Trump's insane involvement with professional football: Who Killed the USFL?
Hey Loss, check this youtube gem out, from none other than...FOX! HAHAHA! Business! Negotiating! Winning! When will it all stop?!?!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weTzvT2TM3s

ETA: This is widely known, obviously, but the way it is presented is hysterical!

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Taking a knee while putting your cap over your heart certainly doesn't strike me as a sign of disrespect. Is that what other athletes are doing?
The other athletes don't play sports where they wear a cap.

1/10

Very poor effort.
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How is kneeling NOT respectful? If anything, it's too much deference...
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Here's a very interesting comment from a reader on the ESPN, "Who Killed the USFL" page:
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"I lived in Portland when the Breakers played there and was a season ticket holder. The city was abuzz and the stadium was full, in spite of being a losing team (6-12). It was among my best sports memories. I remember the entire lawsuit thing, and Trump was the league's ultimate doom. He is a 'win big or burn it down,' as well as a 'sue your way to the top' personality, as his business dealings clearly show. His methods and personality, as revealed with the USFL, were major reasons I refused to vote for him, and believed he would make a terrible president. As with the USFL, he will either 'win big' or take everyone down with him in the losing."
He will either 'win big' or take everyone down with him. I guess that is what we all fear.

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I'm going to use a few posts over time about how stupid the arguments of the opponents are. Number one above was about the claim that people don't want politics in sports. The players protesting do not want politics in either.

Number 2 is along the lines that they shouldn't protest because America has given them so much. That is such a myopic worldview of individual selfishness. People have empathy for others and their problems. I'm reminded of the legend of the Buddha having grew up without want experienced such a revelation with encountering the pain of others. No one says he was disrespecting India for giving him so much when he had so much concern for others.
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Taking a knee while putting your cap over your heart certainly doesn't strike me as a sign of disrespect. Is that what other athletes are doing?
In what context is kneeling ever disrespectful?
Of yeah, sometimes when the kneeler is black...
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I'm going to use a few posts over time about how stupid the arguments of the opponents are. Number one above was about the claim that people don't want politics in sports. The players protesting do not want politics in either.

Number 2 is along the lines that they shouldn't protest because America has given them so much. That is such a myopic worldview of individual selfishness. People have empathy for others and their problems. I'm reminded of the legend of the Buddha having grew up without want experienced such a revelation with encountering the pain of others. No one says he was disrespecting India for giving him so much when he had so much concern for others.
For the first - how do you separate "politics" from the giant flag being held over the field (in violation of the Flag Code) and the National Anthem? That's inherently political. As I recall, that's not done in other countries at all, and kneeling is a compromise - he sat at first, but after speaking with a vet, they worked out that he should kneel instead, to show respect for the unarmed and innocent people brutalized by police.

For the second...well, exactly. Of course, Toupee Fiasco barged his way into it to make it about himself, but I expect to see quite a few more people taking a knee. I know it's spread to the WNBA and sometimes children's games. The MLB player kinda surprised me, though - he hasn't slapped any baseball player (yet).

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For the first - how do you separate "politics" from the giant flag being held over the field (in violation of the Flag Code) and the National Anthem? That's inherently political. As I recall, that's not done in other countries at all, and kneeling is a compromise - he sat at first, but after speaking with a vet, they worked out that he should kneel instead, to show respect for the unarmed and innocent people brutalized by police.

For the second...well, exactly.
Let me clarify my point on the first one. The players kneeling, like their opponents, probably do not want to kneel either. I'm sure they would prefer to stand for the National anthem and just play the dang game. The whole point is that they probably feel they have to.

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Let me clarify my point on the first one. The players kneeling, like their opponents, probably do not want to kneel either. I'm sure they would prefer to stand for the National anthem and just play the dang game. The whole point is that they probably feel they have to.
Oh, sure! That's clearly why Kaepernick started, why a few others in the NFL (and other sportsball leagues), and since it's highly visible, he chose that one way to make a protest. And really, let's be honest, many people get angry at any form of protest.

Fun Fact - our idiot in chief seems far more interested in this that in aiding, say, Puerto Rico, which currently has no electricity anywhere.
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How is kneeling NOT respectful? If anything, it's too much deference...
It's strange to open all of our games this way, in any case. And having military displays, which the military pays to be able to do, is even more bizarre.
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