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Old 12th October 2017, 07:10 AM   #801
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
But I certainly know whether or not I was referring to "a power".

I wasn't.

You're wrong.


You said "the power of the office." However you intended doesn't matter. The power of the office is the enumerated powers. Effectiveness at communication is not power.
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Old 12th October 2017, 07:14 AM   #802
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
The President has no more power to change the tax code than Rachel Maddow does.
For certain definitions of "president" and "power"

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Old 12th October 2017, 07:15 AM   #803
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
You said "the power of the office." However you intended doesn't matter. The power of the office is the enumerated powers. Effectiveness at communication is not power.
No. The enumerated powers of the office are the enumerated powers of the office. The office has other powers that are real and are used. The president has the power to influence events and people.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
You said "the power of the office." However you intended doesn't matter. The power of the office is the enumerated powers. Effectiveness at communication is not power.
For certain definitions of "power"

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Old 12th October 2017, 07:22 AM   #805
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No. The enumerated powers of the office are the enumerated powers of the office. The office has other powers that are real and are used. The president has the power to influence events and people.
And I'm saying that is not power no matter how much others wish it.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
And I'm saying that is not power no matter how much others wish it.
Enjoy being wrong.
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Old 12th October 2017, 07:24 AM   #807
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
For certain definitions of "power"

Exactly. I don't see why the argument even hinges on it being defined as power. It doesn't need to be power for it to be a negative.
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Old 12th October 2017, 08:57 AM   #808
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
You said "the power of the office."
Right, not "a power of the office".

Quote:
However you intended doesn't matter.
Yes, it does.

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The power of the office is the enumerated powers.
Had I meant that, I would have said "powers", plural. I didn't. I was referring to the power implicit in the office of the President.

If you want a real-world example, all you need to do is look at exactly what happened. President Donald Trump threatened the NFL, and the NFL capitulated. That wasn't because of any specific enumerated power of the presidency. It was because the office itself is powerful. Do you think the commissioner of the NFL would have capitulated so readily to a threat from private citizen Donald Trump? Of course not.

That the American presidency is a powerful office isn’t even remotely a controversial concept.
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Old 12th October 2017, 09:25 AM   #809
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Exactly.
Hmm ... I wasn't agreeing with you.

Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Right, not "a power of the office".



Yes, it does.



Had I meant that, I would have said "powers", plural. I didn't. I was referring to the power implicit in the office of the President.

If you want a real-world example, all you need to do is look at exactly what happened. President Donald Trump threatened the NFL, and the NFL capitulated. That wasn't because of any specific enumerated power of the presidency. It was because the office itself is powerful. Do you think the commissioner of the NFL would have capitulated so readily to a threat from private citizen Donald Trump? Of course not.

That the American presidency is a powerful office isn’t even remotely a controversial concept.
Not yet anyway

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ational-anthem

The NFL has no plans to mandate players stand for the national anthem, a league spokesman told NFL.com Wednesday.
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It's the "bully pulpit" you're talking about. In Trump's case, for a more modern definition of "bully" than what TR meant.
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Old 12th October 2017, 09:28 AM   #811
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This latest news is sure to upset Trump:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/12/nf...hem-discussion
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"Commissioner Roger Goodell reached out to NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith today and both he and player leadership will attend the League meetings next week," the statement said. "There has been no change in the current policy regarding the anthem."

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Old 12th October 2017, 09:42 AM   #812
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Not yet anyway

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ational-anthem

The NFL has no plans to mandate players stand for the national anthem, a league spokesman told NFL.com Wednesday.
Good. Seems like the players union is pushing back.

Hopefully, the NFL will come to realize that true patriotism isn't mindlessly participating is some empty ritual, but rather defiance in the face of government oppression.
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Old 12th October 2017, 09:54 AM   #813
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Right, not "a power of the office".



Yes, it does.



Had I meant that, I would have said "powers", plural. I didn't. I was referring to the power implicit in the office of the President.

If you want a real-world example, all you need to do is look at exactly what happened. President Donald Trump threatened the NFL, and the NFL capitulated. That wasn't because of any specific enumerated power of the presidency. It was because the office itself is powerful. Do you think the commissioner of the NFL would have capitulated so readily to a threat from private citizen Donald Trump? Of course not.

That the American presidency is a powerful office isnít even remotely a controversial concept.
I would not call being more persuasive"the powers."
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I would not call being more persuasive"the powers."
Yes, you've made it clear that you have your own definition of the word power.
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Old 12th October 2017, 10:18 AM   #815
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Yes, you've made it clear that you have your own definition of the word power.
The nuance of a definition of power is vital here. If we are going to define abuse of power as a problem, the very nature of power and it's definition matters.
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Old 12th October 2017, 10:23 AM   #816
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Well, it looks like some sports teams are willing to visit Trump in the White House...

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/10...-penguins-2017
The NHL champion Pittsburgh Penguins visited the White House on Tuesday...
“You are true, true champions — and incredible patriots,” Trump said....But describing the Penguins as “incredible patriots” really gives away the game here: Most of the Pittsburgh Penguins squad aren’t American patriots, because they aren’t American at all.


But that's ok... being white (even if you're not American) seems to be enough to be in Trump's good graces.
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Old 12th October 2017, 10:32 AM   #817
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The nuance of a definition of power is vital here. If we are going to define abuse of power as a problem, the very nature of power and it's definition matters.
It's not vital, we will survive without it.
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Well, nice to read the NFL isn't going to fold so easily after all. Score one for democratic sanity. Trump, on the other hand, is fast losing it entirely on this and every other topic. I give him very little time before the talk of making 45 into 46 by 25 becomes a clamor. Problem is, that 46 is not much better than this 45.... oh, well, one at a time, I reckon.
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Old 12th October 2017, 11:39 AM   #819
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I would not call being more persuasive"the powers."
I wouldn't either.
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Trump shows respect for the flag:

[url]https://www.salon.com/2017/10/12/trump-talks-through-solemn-military-ceremony-are-they-playing-that-for-you-or-me/[url]

God, what total hypocrisy.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Trump shows respect for the flag:

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/12/tru...-for-you-or-me

God, what total hypocrisy.
Minor problem with the url. Let's see if this fixes it...

eta: it did. Wotta Maroon.
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The NFL and Trump have a bit of a history. Mid 1980's. I well remember that court case. The odds that the NFL is going to play nice with Mr Trump are sort of small.
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Trump shows respect for the flag:

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/12/tru...-for-you-or-me

God, what total hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy seems to be the permanent state of being for a GOP Politician lately.
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Hypocrisy seems to be the permanent state of being for a GOP Politician lately.
Now that's not fair.

I think it can be proven that most GOP politicians alternate between being hypocritical to being self serving and deceitful.
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Hypocrisy seems to be the permanent state of being for a GOP Politician lately.

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A statement from a professional athlete who refused to meet with the President (when his team won their sport's championship and was invited to the White House and declined/refused to attend.)


I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People. This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government. Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

Who said this?
Boston Bruin's goalie Tim Thomas who didn't want to meet with Mr. Obama.
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Originally Posted by C_Felix View Post
A statement from a professional athlete who refused to meet with the President (when his team won their sport's championship and was invited to the White House and declined/refused to attend.)


I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People. This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government. Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

Who said this?
Boston Bruin's goalie Tim Thomas who didn't want to meet with Mr. Obama.
I remember that. I lost some respect for him because it showed that his political views were ridiculous, but that didn't mean I liked his skills any the less or thought that his refusal was out of bounds.
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Originally Posted by C_Felix View Post
A statement from a professional athlete who refused to meet with the President (when his team won their sport's championship and was invited to the White House and declined/refused to attend.)


I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People. This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government. Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

Who said this?
Boston Bruin's goalie Tim Thomas who didn't want to meet with Mr. Obama.
Objectivist zombies, or their functional equivalent, have rights, too. And?
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Originally Posted by C_Felix View Post
A statement from a professional athlete who refused to meet with the President (when his team won their sport's championship and was invited to the White House and declined/refused to attend.)


I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People. This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government. Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

Who said this?
Boston Bruin's goalie Tim Thomas who didn't want to meet with Mr. Obama.
No surprise at all in the spoiler. Pretty much FMOTL language there.
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That's OK. I still have his bobblehead above my TV
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That's OK. I still have his bobblehead above my TV
Trump's?

Huh
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Trump's?

Huh
Ha ha! Ha ha.

Very good. Unrelated to anyone mentioned in the immediate discussion, but absurdist humor is sometimes great.

Oh my, keep then coming!

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Trump's?

Huh
"The bobblest head ever. No head bobbles as much as mine. Many people are saying they've never seen such a great bobble."
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That's OK. I still have his bobblehead above my TV
Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Ha ha! Ha ha.

Very good. Unrelated to anyone mentioned in the immediate discussion, but absurdist humor is sometimes great.

Oh my, keep then coming!

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You know you are in the thread entitled: Trump and the NFL Boycott, right?

Just checking...

yikes
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
You know you are in the thread entitled: Trump and the NFL Boycott, right?

Just checking...

yikes
You know the post was in response to the discussion about Thomas ditching the Obama White House.

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You know the post was in response to the discussion about Thomas ditching the Obama White House.

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I do? Well we have a magical quote a post feature that could have cleared that right up, now don't we.

Instead?

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A statement from a professional athlete who refused to meet with the President (when his team won their sport's championship and was invited to the White House and declined/refused to attend.)


I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People. This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government. Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

Who said this?
Boston Bruin's goalie Tim Thomas who didn't want to meet with Mr. Obama.

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Old 15th October 2017, 06:17 AM   #838
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Declining football game television ratings will cut into Twenty-First Century Fox's earnings, according to one Wall Street firm.
Credit Suisse lowered its price target and earnings per share forecasts for the media company, citing Fox's poor Sunday NFL ratings.
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Declining football game television ratings will cut into Twenty-First Century Fox's earnings, according to one Wall Street firm.
Credit Suisse lowered its price target and earnings per share forecasts for the media company, citing Fox's poor Sunday NFL ratings.
Yet more good news from where I sit. So far, the only bad news is that Trump appears to be winning the twitter war. NFL popularity decline, loss of television revenue, Fox having overpaid and losing money....? Hey, that's entertainment!
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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/10/16/...isse-says.html

Credit Suisse cut its third-quarter EPS estimates on CBS by 5 percent, citing the company's softer Sunday NFL ratings.
The firm's new estimate is $1.08, below the Wall Street consensus estimate of $1.12.
Credit Suisse maintained its outperform rating on CBS shares
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