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Old 1st October 2017, 11:05 PM   #1
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Mass Shooting on the Las Vegas strip

TVNZ News is reporting a mass shooting at the Route 91 Festival near or in the Mandalay Bay Hotel on the The Strip

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Old 1st October 2017, 11:11 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
TVNZ News is reporting a mass shooting at the Route 91 Festival near or in the Mandalay Bay Hotel on the The Strip

No links as yet


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Saw it on TV3

Sounded like a very very large amount of rapid firing

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Old 1st October 2017, 11:23 PM   #3
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My son was at a conference at Mandalay Bay last week. I am glad it didn't happen then. I do hope the casualties are few to none.
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Old 1st October 2017, 11:31 PM   #4
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Unconfirmed reports say

1. Multiple people shot
2. One suspect found dead at the Mandalay
2. Multiple shooters from multiple sites.

{CNN live}

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Old 1st October 2017, 11:36 PM   #5
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It's bad, some of the videos have rapid fire gun shots going off, hundreds of shots.

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Oh, its not sounding good.

Witnesses and EMTs are reporting multiple fatalities.
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LVPD has reported one shooter is down

All flight in and out of McCarren Airport have been cancelled.
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We are also seeing a freeway being blocked and traffic being turned back

Police report two dead plus 24 wounded of which 12 are serious.
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OK, it looks like one of the shooters was on a high floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel shooting down into the 30,000 crowd.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 12:36 AM   #11
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If multiple shooters:

-BLM nuts
-Muslim nuts
-Antifa nuts

Place your bets.

If one shooter: could be just a nut.
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Current reports say one shooter and he is dead.

The video sounds like a fully automatic weapon firing hundreds of shots into a dense crowd. This will be very very bad. LVPD will talk to press any minute.
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Police report one suspect dead.

Local individual.

Not multiple shooters, no explosions.

More than 20 dead and over 100 wounded.

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Spokesman for LVPD

100+ injured
20+ fatalities

One shooter only - confirmed
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20 + dead.

Over a hundred injured. Wow. This person must have had loads of ammo stockpiled there.
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20 + dead.

Over a hundred injured. Wow. This person must have had loads of ammo stockpiled there.

Automatic weapon shooting for several minutes from 32 stories up into a crowd of 30,000. I'm surprised it's not more injuries and fatalities.
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Shooter was on 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay.

Police looking for shooters female companion.
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Listening to LV law enforcement. They’re still finding victims sheltered in place.

Unbeilievably sad.
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Oh, no. I just read two dead and was about to post that hopefully that number wouldn't go up.

Any word yet on the weapon used? I for one am curious if it was in fact fully automatic and if it was legally owned by the shooter. If he acted alone my first reaction is that I'm not interested in anything else about him.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 01:49 AM   #20
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There needs to be targeted surveillance of Isis and not necessarily mass surveillance with no investigative or prevention work.
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Shooter was local. They are looking for his roommate/companion, a 4'11" Asian woman named Marilou. Also looking for their cars (Hyundai Tucson and Chrysler Pacifica).

They did say SWAT used explosives to 'breach the room'. (As far as I know, Mandalay room windows do not open and very few luxury suites would have a balcony. *I planned a wedding there a few years ago)

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There needs to be targeted surveillance of Isis and not necessarily mass surveillance with no investigative or prevention work.
I think there needs to be some not jumping to conclusions

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Another victim found,

Possibly have one of the wanted vehicles stopped,

Nothing further....
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I listened to the videos. I don't really know guns; but the bursts were very long, the magazine this guy was using must have been massive and he had three or four of them at least - assuming the long pauses between volleys were to change the magazine. It was automatic, but it also sounded like there was something wrong with the gun, because the speed of the shots wasn't constant but kind of warbled, slightly faster and then slightly slower. Maybe that means it was some kind of modified weapon that isn't normally supposed to be automatic.
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Was the shooter Muslim? We need to know whether this was terrorism or the price of freedom.
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
If multiple shooters:

-BLM nuts
-Muslim nuts
-Antifa nuts

Place your bets.

If one shooter: could be just a nut.
Why do you list two organisations with no terrorist attacks in their history while you are leaving out extreme right wing organisations with lots of terrorist attacks in their history?
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Police aren't releasing a name, description, or background on the perp, other than to say that he is local resident and owns two vehicles registered locally, an SUV and a minivan - which police are looking for.

He also booked the room with a female companion, an middle-aged Asian lady named Marilou Danley. They are looking for her.
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Clear case highlighting the weakness of the "good guys with guns" argument as a workable solution to public gun violence. When you let people run around with guns in public, you have to own this tragedy, and all the others, as an acceptable price. Hard to agree Bubba's right to shoot up the traffic signs in his back holler is worth the repeated death of innocents.

Countdown to NRA response: Apart from arming schoolteachers, we must now arm all hotel maids. Brain-dead bully losers.
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Why do you list two organisations with no terrorist attacks in their history while you are leaving out extreme right wing organisations with lots of terrorist attacks in their history?
Dallas shooter was a blm sympathiser. Maybe I should have said black supremacist.

The target does not indicate a right winged shooter.
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
Dallas shooter was a blm sympathiser. Maybe I should have said black supremacist.
But he wasn't BLM.

And there's never been any Antifa terrorist.

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
The target does not indicate a right winged shooter.
The target? Seems rather haphazard to me.
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Oh, no. I just read two dead and was about to post that hopefully that number wouldn't go up.

Any word yet on the weapon used? I for one am curious if it was in fact fully automatic and if it was legally owned by the shooter. If he acted alone my first reaction is that I'm not interested in anything else about him.
I hope your subsequent reactions will be more thoughtful. Lone, possibly insane, people with access to automatic weapons and an inclination to mass murder, ought to be a subject of interest to any responsible citizen.
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Why do you list two organisations with no terrorist attacks in their history while you are leaving out extreme right wing organisations with lots of terrorist attacks in their history?
You know why.
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Police aren't releasing a name, description, or background on the perp, other than to say that he is local resident and owns two vehicles registered locally, an SUV and a minivan - which police are looking for.

He also booked the room with a female companion, an middle-aged Asian lady named Marilou Danley. They are looking for her.
People in CA who know her have given LE her contact info, they’re trying her cell.
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Lets see how Trump, with all his bluster, will react.
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Lets see how Trump, with all his bluster, will react.
Perhaps he'll dedicate a golf trophy to the victims?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-dedi...231533084.html

"As millions of Puerto Ricans struggle to recover from Hurricane Maria, President Donald Trump attended a golfing event Sunday. And just in case anyone was going to go after him for not paying attention to the disaster, he attempted to pre-empt the criticism: He dedicated the trophy to the victims of the storm."
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Dallas shooter was a blm sympathiser.
But he wasn't BLM.
Forgive my ignorance; I don't know much about BLM but... is it membership-based?
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Was the shooter Muslim? We need to know whether this was terrorism or the price of freedom.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7978241.html

"The Las Vegas gunman who killed at least 20 people and injured more than 100 when he opened fire on a music festival has been identified as a 64-year-old white male, according to ABC News."
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Steven Paddock? Just heard the name on the news. Might be getting it wrong.

Unfortunately for the conservatives of the forum it is not a Muslim name.
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Forgive my ignorance; I don't know much about BLM but... is it membership-based?
Not really, but considering him to be part of it would be like considering that guy who stabbed two men to death for stopping him from harrassing a muslim woman to be a part of the peaceful right wing racist marches that we accuse Antifa of messing with. So really the dead guys might as well have been as good as those criminal antifa and the racist should be excused for their deaths.
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Apparently, the shooter is "a fan of the The Rachel Maddow Show and liked several pages on Facebook including Thank You Obama, Anti-Trump Army, Progressive Day, Organizing for Action, Not My President, Proud to Be A Democrat, Fight Trump, Boycott All Things Trump, and Impeach Trump. He is a Democrat and is registered to vote in Washoe County, Nevada."
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