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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:39 AM   #241
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

"So-called Islamic State later claimed to be behind the attack, saying that Paddock had converted to Islam some months ago."

Really? I find that hard to believe but you never know.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:39 AM   #242
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ISIS just claimed responsibility for the mass shooting, saying the shooter converted to islam months ago (source on Twitter with Amaq messages: https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/914854822708310016).

Weird!

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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:40 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by Alphaba View Post
ISIS just claimed responsibility for the mass shooting, saying the shooter converted to islam months ago (source on Twitter: https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/914854822708310016).

Weird!
My guess, another fake.
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Originally Posted by RationalVetMed View Post
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

"So-called Islamic State later claimed to be behind the attack, saying that Paddock had converted to Islam some months ago."

Really? I find that hard to believe but you never know.
Well you wouldn't think bomb making Nazis would convert to Islam but we have proof that it can happen too.
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Originally Posted by RationalVetMed View Post
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

"So-called Islamic State later claimed to be behind the attack, saying that Paddock had converted to Islam some months ago."

Really? I find that hard to believe but you never know.
Stranger things have happened. But on the flip side, it's not like ISIS is above lying about this sort of thing. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by Alphaba View Post
ISIS just claimed responsibility for the mass shooting, saying the shooter converted to islam months ago (source on Twitter with Amaq messages: https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/914854822708310016).

Weird!
If I got a wood splinter, ISIS would claim responsibility.
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They are desperate, dying in the Syrian desert at many hands. Couple of days ago they released an audio tape allegedly of their dear leader Daeshbagdaddy who is dead by several accounts. Likely fraudulent. Here, no evidence at all presented.
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Hillary Clinton is taking advantage of the shooting. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las...ive/index.html

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Hillary Clinton just tweeted condolences to the Las Vegas shooting victims:
She followed up with several tweets about the NRA:

The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots.

Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.

October 2, 2017 7:03am PDT
Yes, she thinks we are just that stupid.

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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:47 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
Hillary Clinton is taking advantage of the shooting. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las...ive/index.html


Yes, she thinks we are just that stupid.
I'm imagining, but I can't for the life of me see the difference with a suppressor.
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
I'm imagining, but I can't for the life of me see the difference with a suppressor.
She's just virtue signalling.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:52 AM   #251
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If anything, a suppressor would make the rifle less powerful, right?

Maybe Hillary watches too many movies.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:52 AM   #252
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Trump to speak about shooting shortly

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/u...-shooting.html
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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:53 AM   #253
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
POTUS Donald J Trump sending 'warmest condolences' by tweet boobs again...?

'Warmest'? Really? Should it not be 'sincerest' or 'deepest'?

'Warmest' is best associated with 'congratulations'.
Can you really be serious with this post?

I never knew that distinction.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:55 AM   #254
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Originally Posted by Alphaba View Post
ISIS just claimed responsibility for the mass shooting, saying the shooter converted to islam months ago (source on Twitter with Amaq messages: https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/914854822708310016).

Weird!
This doesn't mean anything. They like to claim responsibility.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 07:59 AM   #255
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Trump was downright presidential just now!
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Trump was downright presidential just now!
So who wrote it for him?
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
Can you really be serious with this post?

I never knew that distinction.
It does sound weird to my ear. But a quick Google pre-2017 shows that people do say it:

https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%2...ax%3A2016&tbm=
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
If I got a wood splinter, ISIS would claim responsibility.
Not really in their habit, though: At the difference of al-Qaeda, it's rather exceptional that they wrongly claim responsibility (happened once with an attack on a casino in the Philippines, but besides that one...)

Can be the case that they are lying, but judging from their past claims, this clearly isn't to be hand-waved.
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Originally Posted by Alphaba View Post
ISIS just claimed responsibility for the mass shooting, saying the shooter converted to islam months ago (source on Twitter with Amaq messages: https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/914854822708310016).

Weird!
I was going to offer that as another option as a possible explanation for the shooting, but I figured it would just be a bad joke. I didn't picture 64 year olds suddenly converting to Islam and shooting up concerts.

But.....who knows? We'll have to wait for an explanation, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
I'm imagining, but I can't for the life of me see the difference with a suppressor.
Some quick calculations based on looking at google maps tells me the shooter was 800 to 2000 feet away from his victims. The dominant noise from a rifle using standard (supersonic) ammo at that range is the sonic boom which is not affected by a silencer.

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If anything, a suppressor would make the rifle less powerful, right?
No. A modern silencer has metal baffles which do not touch the bullet as it passes through. It makes minor changes to point of impact but normally doesn't change accuracy.

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Maybe Hillary watches too many movies.
I think she is dishonest. She's smart, but acts like the people reading her tweets are stupid.

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Hillary Clinton is taking advantage of the shooting. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las...ive/index.html


Yes, she thinks we are just that stupid.

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Maybe she has decided that stupid tweets at inappropriate times have worked for Trump, so maybe if she starts doing it, it could work for her?

A pox on both their houses.
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Trump's a buffoon, and there are numerous things to take him to task with, but let's let this one go. It's a clumsy wording, right enough, but people do say clumsy things at times like this. Can we at least refuse to make him part of the story for once?
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How would the hotel know? Have you ever had your luggage searched at a hotel?
No. I just could not imagine heaving up to ten guns plus a lot of ammo into a hotel. I would struggle to carry that lot.

Now I know he had been in for four days, I see how he could get that lots in without raising any suspicion.

The issue is no one from the hotel going into his room for 4 days.
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
No. I just could not imagine heaving up to ten guns plus a lot of ammo into a hotel. I would struggle to carry that lot.

Now I know he had been in for four days, I see how he could get that lots in without raising any suspicion.

The issue is no one from the hotel going into his room for 4 days.
Wonder when he reserved the room?
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I don't even dislike Hillary but what a stupid and wrongheaded thing to say. Noise suppression is safety equipment. People believe in the movie version way too much. I'm in favor of sensible gun control, and noise suppression isn't on my radar at all.
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Tge shooter has been I.D.ed.

Let's not grant this ************ any recognition as a human being and only refer to them as "the shooter."
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No. I just could not imagine heaving up to ten guns plus a lot of ammo into a hotel. I would struggle to carry that lot.

Now I know he had been in for four days, I see how he could get that lots in without raising any suspicion.
I have checked into the Mandalay Bay Hotel with my son's paintball gun, a skateboard and a scooter in a duffle. Why would anyone be suspicious?
It is not uncommon for someone to be bringing in more stuff in future days.

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The issue is no one from the hotel going into his room for 4 days.
Do not disturb is not uncommon in any hotel plus why would a housekeeper have looked into his luggage.

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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
No. I just could not imagine heaving up to ten guns plus a lot of ammo into a hotel. I would struggle to carry that lot.

Now I know he had been in for four days, I see how he could get that lots in without raising any suspicion.

The issue is no one from the hotel going into his room for 4 days.
Put the "Do Not Disturb" thing on the door and you won't be disturbed.
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I have checked into the Mandalay Bay Hotel with my son's paintball gun, a skateboard and a scooter in a duffle. Why would anyone be suspicious?



Do not disturb is not uncommon in any hotel plus why would a housekeeper have looked into his luggage.
I've checked into a hotel with a longboard, microwave, kettle, toaster, two gaming system, and a full size exercise bicycle before ... no hassles.

Plus once you're IN the hotel you can usually come and go from the back or side doors quietly
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Tge shooter has been I.D.ed.

Let's not grant this ************ any recognition as a human being and only refer to them as "the shooter."
I agree. I think too many of these type of events are motivated by the desire for personal "fame" and "glory".

If we take that away, it won't stop 'em all, but may prevent at least one.
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If anything, a suppressor would make the rifle less powerful, right?

Maybe Hillary watches too many movies.
It's not the suppressor that reduces velocity, it would be the use of sub-sonic ammunition.

You can use standard velocity ammo in a suppressed firearm, it just reduces the initial and subsequent sound suppression.
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Tge shooter has been I.D.ed.

Let's not grant this ************ any recognition as a human being and only refer to them as "the shooter."
Sorry given the vast variety of acts of inhumanity many human beings have committed, human being, in and of itself, is not exactly worthy of much veneration as a term.
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No. I just could not imagine heaving up to ten guns plus a lot of ammo into a hotel. I would struggle to carry that lot.

Now I know he had been in for four days, I see how he could get that lots in without raising any suspicion.

The issue is no one from the hotel going into his room for 4 days.
A single suitcase and one large gun case will bring in ten rifles and ammo depending on what he had. Not suspicious at all. I normally keep housekeeping out of my room when I'm staying for a while. I'll get my own sheets and towels at times from the staff at times.

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There are pics of two windows shot out, fairly far apart.

Don't know if that's one big room, two different rooms, or what.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLItLkQUIAEeQ2D.jpg
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There are pics of two windows shot out, fairly far apart.

Don't know if that's one big room, two different rooms, or what.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLItLkQUIAEeQ2D.jpg
My opinion it's two different rooms ... seem too far apart ...
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POTUS Donald J Trump sending 'warmest condolences' by tweet boobs again...?

'Warmest'? Really? Should it not be 'sincerest' or 'deepest'?

'Warmest' is best associated with 'congratulations'.
Yeah, that struck me as off-key too.
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My opinion it's two different rooms ... seem too far apart ...
That could explain the "two shooting platforms" report?
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:28 AM   #279
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Sorry given the vast variety of acts of inhumanity many human beings have committed, human being, in and of itself, is not exactly worthy of much veneration as a term.
Recognize the good when you see it and encourage it.

At this incident, people caught in the crowd helped other individuals get out of the area. Many were guests at the event, not police/fire/paramedics.

Publicize their names (if they wish) not the name of the shooter.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:28 AM   #280
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
That could explain the "two shooting platforms" report?
How easy would it be to enter a second room? ... I guess there's no reason he could not have booked two rooms ... not like he was planning on saving his money for anything.
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