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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:31 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
My guess, another fake.
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If I got a wood splinter, ISIS would claim responsibility.
From Reuters:
UPDATE: Senior U.S. officials say no evidence Vegas shooter was connected to international militant group after ISIS claims responsibility
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:31 AM   #282
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I can't imagine being the person with the room NEXT to the shooter's right now.

That would really suck.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:31 AM   #283
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Originally Posted by Yeggster View Post
How easy would it be to enter a second room? ... I guess there's no reason he could not have booked two rooms ... not like he was planning on saving his money for anything.
I guess it would just reinforce the idea that it was planned, and not spontaneous mental snapping?

He apparently checked in using the woman's ID?
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:33 AM   #284
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Originally Posted by Faydra View Post
I can't imagine being the person with the room NEXT to the shooter's right now.

That would really suck.
There's a conversation with the next door guy ... he slept through it all and the cops woke him up ... he though HE was being arrested.
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
Recognize the good when you see it and encourage it.

At this incident, people caught in the crowd helped other individuals get out of the area. Many were guests at the event, not police/fire/paramedics.

Publicize their names (if they wish) not the name of the shooter.
"He who shall not be named?"

Wasn't there some books that pointed out the silliness of that.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:34 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by Yeggster View Post
There's a conversation with the next door guy ... he slept through it all and the cops woke him up ... he though HE was being arrested.
How do you sleep through that much gun fire?
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Originally Posted by Yeggster View Post
There's a conversation with the next door guy ... he slept through it all and the cops woke him up ... he though HE was being arrested.
It must have been one big corner room then? With the shooter just using two different windows?
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:37 AM   #288
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Originally Posted by Yeggster View Post
There's a conversation with the next door guy ... he slept through it all and the cops woke him up ... he though HE was being arrested.
What happens in Vegas.......
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:37 AM   #289
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Mandalay Bay does have some larger suites with one and two bedrooms. It could be a large room offering different angles. Also I don't know if you can get adjacent rooms and open a door to join them.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
How do you sleep through that much gun fire?
Large quantities of C2H6O and/or a loud air conditioner.
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Brother: No gun guy, no military background, how did he get those weapons?
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Brother: No gun guy, no military background, how did he get those weapons?
Gun shows.
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I've been to Vegas with long guns. Some brought with, some purchased (when it was still legal for Californians to do so) at the Great Las Vegas show - never an issue with bringing firearms into the hotel and having them stored in the hotel's vault for safekeeping or in the room where I was staying.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:43 AM   #294
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Has anyone determined the rate of fire from the audio? Seems like trivial task with pc audio software.
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:43 AM   #295
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
How do you sleep through that much gun fire?
Ahhh .. here's the article .. i was mistake he was just on the same floor although only 4 rooms away

https://www.westernjournalism.com/wi...moke-massacre/
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Old 2nd October 2017, 08:44 AM   #296
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Brother: No gun guy, no military background, how did he get those weapons?
You're kidding, right? AR15-style semi-auto rifles are universally available at any place that sells guns, and as noted above, it's easy to get gadgets that simulate auto fire.

Here's a selection from a national sporting goods chain:
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/brows..._SEQ_105524280

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Sorry given the vast variety of acts of inhumanity many human beings have committed, human being, in and of itself, is not exactly worthy of much veneration as a term.
True...however, if we can take it away from those who commit these kinds of acts, it might start the ball rolling so we can take it away from those who commit larger acts, as well.

If there's no notoriety or public fascination with the people who act this way, it might help prevent it. If we talked endlessly about the victims, but the shooters were the nameless and faceless footnotes, the losers wanting to make history wouldn't see this kind of behavior as an avenue.
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Gambling addiction can cause catastrophic depression.

'Ooh Las Vegas..."
He lived in Mesquite, which also has casinos. I wouldn't be surprised if gambling addiction played a part in this.
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
"He who shall not be named?"

Wasn't there some books that pointed out the silliness of that.
There may be, but I know this.

LHO would be the happiest man in captivity if he survived and knew his name was still under discussion in 2017.

There is some evidence for the contrary:

https://www.apa.org/news/press/relea...ion-effect.pdf

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-rouge-munich/
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Has anyone determined the rate of fire from the audio? Seems like trivial task with pc audio software.
Ak's and M16 (AR15's) .. can have similar fire rates ... AK are normally a bit slower but it depends.

I heard what sounded like one witnesses on site saying it sounded like an "AR" .. but who knows if they know or if I heard it right

But with TEN firearms there? could be both.
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Latest report: At least 58 dead, 515 injured to varying degrees.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/oc...s-vegas-strip/

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Deaths now being reported by at least one source as 58 .. 515 injured

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...tival-shooting
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Brother: No gun guy, no military background, how did he get those weapons?
Typical know-nothing soundbite the media loves.
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58 killed and 515 injured.

Staggering.
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Sounds like full auto M-16, IMHO. Does not sound like bump firing. Too regular. But no need to speculate, it will get known exactly, sooner or later.

IMHO 'where did he get those guns' is perfectly relevant question.
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Ak's and M16 (AR15's) .. can have similar fire rates ... AK are normally a bit slower but it depends.

I heard what sounded like one witnesses on site saying it sounded like an "AR" .. but who knows if they know or if I heard it right

But with TEN firearms there? could be both.
I'm curious what the rate of fire was first before trying to line it up with the firearm/add on.
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You're kidding, right? AR15-style semi-auto rifles are universally available at any place that sells guns, and as noted above, it's easy to get gadgets that simulate auto fire.

Here's a selection from a national sporting goods chain:
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/brows..._SEQ_105524280

Pay attention. I've paraphrased his brother who feels it's totally out of character for him to have had those weapons.
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"He who shall not be named?"

Wasn't there some books that pointed out the silliness of that.
True. But we can assign nicknames so everyone knows who-is-who. Just make sure they're the kind no macho sniper guy wants.

I submit Steven Paddock is now "Stubby Pink". If no one, anywhere, ever uses his real name again this kind of crap might stop happening.

Sure, it's a long shot (no joke intended ) but it might work. I've only used Tim Mc ****'s name once since the bombing, but everyone knows who I'm referring too.

It just has to be a group effort, and carried 'round the 'net 'til as many people as possible join. I'd love to see the same on the court documents and news reports. Just stop giving these types the attention they're seeking, and see what difference -if any- it makes.

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Sounds like full auto M-16, IMHO. Does not sound like bump firing. Too regular. But no need to speculate, it will get known exactly, sooner or later.
I'm heading to work, but if someone wished to calculate a rate of fire, we can resolve that.

I would take the most likely probability and bet it wasn't fully automatic.

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That's quite a distance.
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Pay attention. I've paraphrased his brother who feels it's totally out of character for him to have had those weapons.
The same brother who said they rarely contact each other and lived very far apart?
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I agree. I think too many of these type of events are motivated by the desire for personal "fame" and "glory".
And some because of mental illness. Should we make them subhuman as well?
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The day after Labor day I was essentially across the hall from that room.
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On a Washington Post video someone in law enforcement, might have been the sheriff, is overheard saying the gunman fired around 4,500 rounds. How would they know? I guess they'd have to count the shell casings they find in the room. Probably not their number one priority but I know they will do it at some point.
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On a Washington Post video someone in law enforcement, might have been the sheriff, is overheard saying the gunman fired around 4,500 rounds. How would they know? I guess they'd have to count the shell casings they find in the room. Probably not their number one priority but I know they will do it at some point.
How many empty boxes of ammo? An estimate doesn't exactly take much time
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I'm heading to work, but if someone wished to calculate a rate of fire, we can resolve that.
If you're going to try to calculate on published cyclic rates numbers you may or may not get a good estimation of firearms type.

Published cyclic rate numbers are mechanical estimations and don't account for various factors (ammunition type and quality, mechanical friction factors and weather factors) that effect the CR - it also doesn't account for what is generally the practical rate of fire when used properly - sort controlled bursts - as opposed to a magazine or belt dump.
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The first burst of fire I count exactly 100 rounds .. in (plus or minus a half second) 9 seconds. (by running the video at 1/4 speed)

That'd be a standard drum magazine as someone suggested and a rate of fire roughly 600 to 700 Rounds per Minute ... in line for an AR15 / M16 but still well within AK's published rates witch of course are also available with 100 round drums

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The issue is no one from the hotel going into his room for 4 days.
Not an issue at all. Hang the do not disturb sign or just be inside the room and say no thanks when they knock.
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Not an issue at all. Hang the do not disturb sign or just be inside the room and say no thanks when they knock.
And if they did so what? It isn't like the staff would automatically know the guns were illegal.
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And some because of mental illness. Should we make them subhuman as well?
Absent the qualifying factor of committing mass murder, no.
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