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Old 3rd October 2017, 04:36 PM   #1
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USA needs more gun control!

The USA needs more gun control.

The massacre in Las Vegas shows how dangerous bump stocks and high capacity magazines can be.

We need laws banning bump stocks and any device that allows rapid fire. We also need a law banning magazines over 10 rounds.

Anyone who uses guns knows that a firearm will overheat if using a bump stock or a high capacity magazine, making target shooting pretty impossible. These tools are a gimic for childishly tearing apart watermelons or other large targets. They are not for precise shooting. And as we now know, they are great for committing a terrible massacre.

Ban them now. Our freedom will not suffer with the loss of such objects.
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Old 3rd October 2017, 04:38 PM   #2
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Is this going to be yet another gun control thread?

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Old 3rd October 2017, 04:43 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Noztradamus View Post
Is this going to be yet another gun control thread?

Naaaa, we going to discuss cookies & chicken liver.
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Naaaa, we going to discuss cookies & chicken liver.
Let me save you a headache or two.

Gun Right Enthusiasts: Nuh uh, they wouldn't help anything in this situation. Nothing could have been done, this is a terrible tragedy, thoughts and prayers.

Gun Control Enthusiasts: Uh huh, we have to start somewhere. If x wasn't allowed to be sold then the toll would have been reduced.

Where x = whatever terrible item was used this time.
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The USA needs more gun control.
Ya think? Every time some gun nut goes to the range or jerks off with their AK-47, they're stepping over the bodies of the concert goers in Las Vegas or the elementary school students in Sandy Hook. When you engage in your stupid little hobby you pretend is a civil right, it's like you put a gun to the head of a six-year-old in Sandy Hook and squeezed the trigger.

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The concept that owning a gun is an expression of freedom, and the religious fervor with which people cling to that belief, is a lie sold to them by those who sell guns.

And it amazes me that they are too stupid to figure that out.
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Old 3rd October 2017, 05:50 PM   #7
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Ya think? Every time some gun nut goes to the range or jerks off with their AK-47, they're stepping over the bodies of the concert goers in Las Vegas or the elementary school students in Sandy Hook. When you engage in your stupid little hobby you pretend is a civil right, it's like you put a gun to the head of a six-year-old in Sandy Hook and squeezed the trigger.
That is your opinion.
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The concept that owning a gun is an expression of freedom, and the religious fervor with which people cling to that belief, is a lie sold to them by those who sell guns.

And it amazes me that they are too stupid to figure that out.
How is it not an expression of freedom? Any restriction on your ownership of an inanimate objects is a restriction on your liberty.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
How is it not an expression of freedom? Any restriction on your ownership of an inanimate objects is a restriction on your liberty.
Stop Signs, Red Lights, Crosswalks, speed limits, double yellow lines on the road also restrict our freedom.

But we deal with it like adults.
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How is it not an expression of freedom? Any restriction on your ownership of an inanimate objects is a restriction on your liberty.
Freedom does not exit absent morality. Denying me the right to own anthrax in no way limits my freedom. It helps ensure that the freedoms of other's will not be taken away by me.
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Freedom does not exit absent morality. Denying me the right to own anthrax in no way limits my freedom. It helps ensure that the freedoms of other's will not be taken away by me.
Freedom does exist without morality and you are being deprived in that case.
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Ya think? Every time some gun nut goes to the range or jerks off with their AK-47, they're stepping over the bodies of the concert goers in Las Vegas or the elementary school students in Sandy Hook. When you engage in your stupid little hobby you pretend is a civil right, it's like you put a gun to the head of a six-year-old in Sandy Hook and squeezed the trigger.
Does somebody need a hug?
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Stop Signs, Red Lights, Crosswalks, speed limits, double yellow lines on the road also restrict our freedom.

But we deal with it like adults.
Nothing listed there should be the responsibility of government.
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Stop Signs, Red Lights, Crosswalks, speed limits, double yellow lines on the road also restrict our freedom.

But we deal with it like adults.
You obviously haven't seen drivers and pedestrians in any city I frequent. Not to mention bicyclists...
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The concept that owning a gun is an expression of freedom, and the religious fervor with which people cling to that belief, is a lie sold to them by those who sell guns.

And it amazes me that they are too stupid to figure that out.
So every gun owner is stupid?
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Does somebody need a hug?
We need a sort of Godwin's law for dragging children into an argument.

I repeat my maxim that every time they come to take away your rights, they always have wonderful sounding, beautiful,reasons for doing so.
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Ya think? Every time some gun nut goes to the range or jerks off with their AK-47, they're stepping over the bodies of the concert goers in Las Vegas or the elementary school students in Sandy Hook. When you engage in your stupid little hobby you pretend is a civil right, it's like you put a gun to the head of a six-year-old in Sandy Hook and squeezed the trigger.
Do the actual piece of **** *********** murderers have anything to do with it?

Nah, not them. We should humanize and understand them, give them three hots and a cot and make sure they have chess partners and pizza delivery.
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So every gun owner is stupid?
Yep. Any intelligent person will tell you so. (incessantly)
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The USA needs more gun control.

The massacre in Las Vegas shows how dangerous bump stocks and high capacity magazines can be.

We need laws banning bump stocks and any device that allows rapid fire. We also need a law banning magazines over 10 rounds.

Anyone who uses guns knows that a firearm will overheat if using a bump stock or a high capacity magazine, making target shooting pretty impossible. These tools are a gimic for childishly tearing apart watermelons or other large targets. They are not for precise shooting. And as we now know, they are great for committing a terrible massacre.

Ban them now. Our freedom will not suffer with the loss of such objects.
I agree. If anything comes of this latest tragedy, hopefully it will be outlawing of arms intended to mow down dozens of people at a time.

Baby steps, lets start there.
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Let me save you a headache or two.

Gun Right Enthusiasts: Nuh uh, they wouldn't help anything in this situation. Nothing could have been done, this is a terrible tragedy, thoughts and prayers.

Gun Control Enthusiasts: Uh huh, we have to start somewhere. If x wasn't allowed to be sold then the toll would have been reduced.

Where x = whatever terrible item was used this time [one more dent in the problem].
ftfy

Maybe not a fix, but how about at least some remediation?

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The concept that owning a gun is an expression of freedom, and the religious fervor with which people cling to that belief, is a lie sold to them by those who sell guns.

And it amazes me that they are too stupid to figure that out.
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Do the actual piece of **** *********** murderers have anything to do with it?

Nah, not them. We should humanize and understand them, give them three hots and a cot and make sure they have chess partners and pizza delivery.
What a pile of straw.
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Ya think? Every time some gun nut goes to the range or jerks off with their AK-47, they're stepping over the bodies of the concert goers in Las Vegas or the elementary school students in Sandy Hook. When you engage in your stupid little hobby you pretend is a civil right, it's like you put a gun to the head of a six-year-old in Sandy Hook and squeezed the trigger.
Poe?
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What a pile of straw.
Certainly not. I was merely pointing out (perhaps in a snarky fashion) that the blame for this shooting rests with the shooter who chose to commit mass murder, as It seemed missing from the post to which I responded.
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Certainly not. I was merely pointing out (perhaps in a snarky fashion) that the blame for this shooting rests with the shooter who chose to commit mass murder, as It seemed missing from the post to which I responded.
And his 14 legal bump stocks made no contribution at all, did they?

The bump stock automates the trigger-pull process, allowing shooters to fire at a rate of 400 to 800 rounds a minute.

Nope, I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fatality count here, nothing at all.
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Poe?
It does sound like a parody of an anti gun militant ......
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And his 14 legal bump stocks made no contribution at all, did they?

The bump stock automates the trigger-pull process, allowing shooters to fire at a rate of 400 to 800 rounds a minute.

Nope, I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fatality count here, nothing at all.
Though I do not think such things should be legal, I can't imagine a scenario in which the "bump stops" operated themselves. This person chose the manner in which he acted on his anger/mental illness/sociopathy. A meaningful debate on gun violence has to include the fact that some individuals will choose to act in despicably violent ways, and there may not be much we can do about them.
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Nothing should impede my right to own the best firearmstoys in the world!! This guy in Las Vegas was just having lots of fun and go carried away, nothing about that incident shows that there needs to be any gun control measurements created or enforced.
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Though I do not think such things should be legal, I can't imagine a scenario in which the "bump stops" operated themselves. This person chose the manner in which he acted on his anger/mental illness/sociopathy. A meaningful debate on gun violence has to include the fact that some individuals will choose to act in despicably violent ways.
Should it not also include ways to limit the amount of damage a person can do if/when they decide to do so?
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Though I do not think such things should be legal, I can't imagine a scenario in which the "bump stops" operated themselves. This person chose the manner in which he acted on his anger/mental illness/sociopathy. A meaningful debate on gun violence has to include the fact that some individuals will choose to act in despicably violent ways.
So they didn't operate themselves, why does that matter? The guy killed 58 people, maybe he would have only killed 20. Pretty sure that would matter to the 38 if they hadn't been killed.
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Nothing should impede my right to own the best firearmstoys in the world!! This guy in Las Vegas was just having lots of fun and go carried away, nothing about that incident shows that there needs to be any gun control measurements created or enforced.
There is a place for deciding what costs are acceptable In the name of freedom.
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Should it not also include ways to limit the amount of damage a person can do if/when they decide to do so?
You missed something.
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Though I do not think such things should be legal . . .
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You missed something.
I sure did. Sorry about that.
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There is a place for deciding what costs are acceptable In the name of freedom.
Yes, it's called the public.
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Yes, it's called the public.
I agree. And it would be better subject for debate rather than your concoction of "he got carried away."
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Poe?
There is no Poe in gun control
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I agree. And it would be better subject for debate rather than your concoction of "he got carried away."
He was just a citizen exercising his rights, right?
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So they didn't operate themselves, why does that matter? The guy killed 58 people, maybe he would have only killed 20. Pretty sure that would matter to the 38 if they hadn't been killed.
See above.
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He was just a citizen exercising his rights, right?
As I said, a stupid concoction.
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As I said, a stupid concoction.
Kind of like the "right" to shoot crowds of people that a shooter feels is acting violently towards him.......
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