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Very well then. I will meekly decline to ask any more inconvenient questions about why some people demand to have the ability to murder me quickly and conveniently.
I will quietly study their psychology. I will come to understand them better than they understand themselves. |
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Here's something from Constitution.org (cannot comment on the quality of the source)
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Who knows.
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Yes, educate a person about the things they want to control. I was able to convince my local Democrat Representative to co-sponsor a silencer use bill after talking to her and showing her the firearms in question. She had initially been on the fence. I was also able to convince a committee chair to allow the bill a vote in committee after obtaining the opinions of the police and gun control organization.
Education is the key; either way you go. That way they (the politicians) aren't the doofuss who thinks bump fire turns a rifle into a military weapon. In the case of slide fire stocks a demonstration would be a good idea. They might decide it's futile to do so, or they might decide that it allows a person to bump fire easier or encourages them to do so. They might also be convinced that bump fire is better or worse than aimed fire. |
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It's much, much easier to persuade someone standing on the fence to climb down on your side of it than it is to persuade them to climb over it altogether. I think, as well, that the issue of gun control legislation is separate from the issue of enforcement of gun control legislation. |
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Now with 1% more gun control!
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I don't lack the courage, I lack the interest to wade deep into the mud to only come out of it muddy. Been there, done that. If you want my thoughts on what could be done click the "ban" link in my sig, or read some of BStrong's suggestions, or any other suggestions from actual gun owners who see that there is a problem and have thought about ways to address it. It doesn't matter which because none will make any headway.
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Then is is likewise not your business to tell me what my business is.
You assert the right to have the ability to quickly and conveniently riddle my body with bullets. I reciprocally assert the right to have the ability to quickly and conveniently find out whatever I want to know about you. |
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It's a very strong proposal. Banning ALL semi-automatic pistols and rifles.
In terms of public acceptance, such an extreme measure seems likely to be counter productive. In terms of legislative possibility... you'd need to repeal the second amendment before even starting on the ban legislation. Can't really see that article doing anything more than poisoning the well and drum up some more fear-contributions to the NRA ("see, they really are coming for our guns!"). |
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Most people believe that the government does not have the authority to require training for the militia. But in fact that authority is spelled out in Article II, Section 8 of the Constitution:
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The gun lobby has perverted this by proclaiming that carrying firearms without having to take a training class is "Constitutional Carry". On a related matter, how can the militia be organized when the firearms held by it's members are kept secret from those doing the organizing? |
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If he wants to ban semiautomatics he should have just said that instead of focusing on the "gas operated" aspect which he inaccurately thinks applies to all semiautomatics. I can't imagine an absolute ban on semiautomatics being likely to survive SCOTUS review or gather anywhere near enough public support to even get to that point. Useless idea badly presented.
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Australia didn't ban all guns. They defined categories of firearms, created licensing requirements for each category and conditions for using that license. To get a license you had to demonstrate a need. A license for a bolt action rifle for hunting or target shooting is fairly easy to obtain. Licenses for semi automatic rifles or handguns are highly restricted.
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That's none of my business. I'm just trying to understand what "meritocracy" means.
Might makes right? In that case, the majority has the ability to impose it's collective will on you. And, after learning of your willingness to allow the unrestricted construction of weapons of mass destruction by anyone who has the ability... Is it a synonym for "death wish"? Right. None of my business. We'll just have to wait and see. |
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Meritocracy as a form of government based on selecting leaders by ability (the secretary of the interior should be the most knowledgeable and effective citizen on interior matters).
Broadly, it can be used to refer to anything where ability is a primary determinant. For example, people might claim pay in football is a meritocracy as justification for salaries. This is how I used it. Meritocracy is not might makes right and majoritarianism. |
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I believe the "gun culture" has to change first, but I thought this was a conversation starter.
Not sure how this type of action would be constitutionally different than the Federal assault weapon ban, but I'm sure people with more knowledge in this are could point to some resources ?? I don't want to re-invent the wheel here, and I've tried to stay out of most of the "swimming pools kill more people than guns" threads, but this piqued my curiosity, and I guess I didn't see why it was an useless conversation about an impossible task - not to say it ssn't, just that I don't know why, and was looking for some more conversation around that. |
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With the Heller decision, I think we're dealing with a Supreme Court more deferential to the right to bear arms than we'd previously seen. I think they'd be inclined to interpret the "in common use" concept to protect semiautomatics. A piece of the key language would be this:
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Ah.
Article 1. The right to aquire the means to quickly and conveniently commit mass murder for any reason which is none of anybody's business shall not be abridged. Article 2. The right to attempt to learn the motives of a person who amasses the means to commit mass murder shall not be abridged. Article 3. The taking of proactive measures, ostensibly or actually for the protection of the general public against the aquisition and potential use of weapons of mass destruction, is prohibited. Article 4. Article (3) is hereby amended to declare the following: proactive measures, the purpose of which is nobody's business, are allowed, provided that a demonstrable ability to successfully carry out such action exists. Article 5. Article (3) and article (4) are hereby repealed and transferred into the domain of Executive Privilege*. |
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The link to the article; https://www.salon.com/2017/10/04/gun...ass-shootings/
My response to the article in the other thread; http://www.internationalskeptics.com...6#post12021406 I think the author is uninformed and has a low opinion of his readers. |
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I would say he was no Charles Whitman.
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Republican-led bill on bump stocks expected to be introduced Thursday in House
Originally Posted by CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politi...rol/index.html |
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A well regulated militia...
This part could be interpreted to mean the government has the authority to decide which kinds of arms a militia could bear. So the government could ban semi-automatic rifles and handguns. |
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Press Secretary Sarah Sanders just said this...
"At this point in the process, I think we need to all take a step back. We had one of the most horrific tragedies that's ever taken place on US soil. Before we can run out and start talking about the preventions... we have to determine what caused it. We haven’t gotten that far down the road. The President is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. That hasn’t changed." |
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Here's what you have to do to buy a shotgun in Japan:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...305_story.html |
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