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Old 7th October 2017, 09:06 AM   #1
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Another terrorist car attack in London?

A car has apparently driven into pedestrians outside the Natural History Museum in London. A man has been detained, though there is no confirmation over the motive as yet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41538762
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Old 7th October 2017, 09:36 AM   #2
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Or possibly just a rubbish driver.
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Old 7th October 2017, 09:45 AM   #3
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Nobody seems to have died, so he's rubbish even if he's a terrorist.
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Old 7th October 2017, 09:53 AM   #4
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Am I seeing an injured Aston Martin?
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Old 7th October 2017, 11:01 AM   #5
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At least 11 are injured. Driver is held down...
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Old 7th October 2017, 11:02 AM   #6
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Accident according to police.
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Old 7th October 2017, 12:48 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Am I seeing an injured Aston Martin?
Obviously an MI-6 operation.
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Old 7th October 2017, 01:37 PM   #8
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Probably playing Pokémon on his phone while driving. What a thickett.
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Old 7th October 2017, 02:33 PM   #9
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What's the rate of automobile terrorist attacks in the UK, compared to the accidental "motorist drives into crowd" stuff?

From across the pond, it is always seems like whenever this happens, it turns out to be terrorism. Are there a lot of vehicular manslaughters happening in the UK, that aren't happening to be widely reported? To the extent that when one happens, terrorism isn't the most likely cause?
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Old 7th October 2017, 03:10 PM   #10
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Reported to be an Uber driver with three female passengers.

That car is a Jaguar driven by Pixie Lott's fiance Oliver Cheshire.
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Old 7th October 2017, 03:17 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Reported to be an Uber driver with three female passengers.

That car is a Jaguar driven by Pixie Lott's fiance Oliver Cheshire.
It's a shocking place to have an accident, as most days there are 20-minute queues (sometimes as long as an hour) snaking down the road at the Natural History Museum, a very large percentage of which are families with young children, and from all over the world.
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Old 7th October 2017, 03:19 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
What's the rate of automobile terrorist attacks in the UK, compared to the accidental "motorist drives into crowd" stuff?

From across the pond, it is always seems like whenever this happens, it turns out to be terrorism. Are there a lot of vehicular manslaughters happening in the UK, that aren't happening to be widely reported? To the extent that when one happens, terrorism isn't the most likely cause?

There are plenty of accidents. Motorway pileups cause fatalities on a fairly regular basis. The Glasgow bin-lorry tragedy killed six a few years back, and an out-of-control tipper truck killed four in Bath: those are the most high-profile accidents it seems to me of recent times, but they were before the current wave of attacks, and had they happened this year for example, I suspect people's first reactions on hearing the news might have been to suspect a terror incident.

True homicide with malice aforethought not linked to terrorism seems fairly rare; I can recall just one such case in the last few years here (Scotland) where someone was actually murdered by being run over, which had at least an element of premeditation and wasn't simply road rage; a jealous lover IIRC.
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Old 7th October 2017, 04:35 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
What's the rate of automobile terrorist attacks in the UK, compared to the accidental "motorist drives into crowd" stuff?

From across the pond, it is always seems like whenever this happens, it turns out to be terrorism. Are there a lot of vehicular manslaughters happening in the UK, that aren't happening to be widely reported? To the extent that when one happens, terrorism isn't the most likely cause?
By "vehicular manslaughter," do you mean on purpose? That might be a key distinction I'm missing. Multiple people die in car crashes all the time. Multiple injuries are caused by cars driving on the sidewalk all the time. Unless you're poring over local reports from around the world, you're never going to hear about them - unless someone calls it terrorism and/or it happens in a popular holiday locale.

I'm curious where your perception is coming from. I mean, I don't know, maybe there is a lot more automobile terrorism than I'm aware of, but it sounds to me like you have been unduly influenced by recent anecdotes.
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Old 7th October 2017, 04:39 PM   #14
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Media goes into overdrive(excuse the pun)with every car that hits someone now,broadcasting live at the scene,rolling news.Even the Prime Minister tweeted her "thanks to the first responders and thoughts with the injured."
She's going to be very busy doing that after every car accident in London alone.

ETA: Ironically Uber lots its license last week in London or something related,cba to google it.

ETA x2 Here we go https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...for-london-tfl
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:18 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
What's the rate of automobile terrorist attacks in the UK, compared to the accidental "motorist drives into crowd" stuff?

From across the pond, it is always seems like whenever this happens, it turns out to be terrorism. Are there a lot of vehicular manslaughters happening in the UK, that aren't happening to be widely reported? To the extent that when one happens, terrorism isn't the most likely cause?
I would wager that - as an American - you're only seeing reports of the minuscule number that are terrorism, because the regular everyday accidents wouldn't make it to the American media, any more than American RTAs would make it to the British media. Vehicles crashing into groups of people - particularly at bus stops - are not particularly uncommon.

This was one of the most high profile incidents (negligence, rather than an accident:

Wikipedia: 2014 Glasgow bin lorry crash

BBC News: Schoolboy among bus stop crash injured in Clydebank

BBC News: Car loses control and hits pedestrians in Cheltenham

This is a recent one on the Isle of Man that didn't make the UK national news (not that IoM is part of the UK, but... it's complicated...):

BBC News: Laxey crash: Fourth person dies after car crashes into bus stop

ETA: Today brings possibly the most stereotypically English variation possible....

BBC News: [White] Van crashes into Maulden thatched cottage front door

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Old 11th October 2017, 05:20 AM   #16
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Am I seeing an injured Aston Martin?
That's the real tragedy, here.
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That's the real tragedy, here.
Trump just tweeted that he hopes Mr Martin will recover from his injuries.
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I get the feeling that the less successful car terrorists claim accident if they fail to do enough damage.

A Muslim driver in Amsterdam waited in a very weird spot (not a parking spot) and then accelerated and drove into a group of Israeli tourists coming out of the central station.

No casualties, he was unwell apparently and had low blood sugar due to Ramadan.

Both these may have been legitimate accidents. There are a lot of those, and some of them are bound to be Muslim drivers driving into crowds of tourists in prominent tourists spots. Numbers game basically, as is demonstrated by the much longer list of incidents involving native Europeans driving into crowds at popular tourist locations.
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Er um OK....
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I get the feeling that the less successful car terrorists claim accident if they fail to do enough damage.

A Muslim driver in Amsterdam waited in a very weird spot (not a parking spot) and then accelerated and drove into a group of Israeli tourists coming out of the central station.

No casualties, he was unwell apparently and had low blood sugar due to Ramadan.

Both these may have been legitimate accidents. There are a lot of those, and some of them are bound to be Muslim drivers driving into crowds of tourists in prominent tourists spots. Numbers game basically, as is demonstrated by the much longer list of incidents involving native Europeans driving into crowds at popular tourist locations.
Hopefully the police check their computers for signs of radicalization to eliminate this possibility.
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