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Old 17th June 2019, 11:11 PM   #1961
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
The bloke who shared the massacre video has been given a jail sentence of 21 months.

Well within the frame for Home Detention, but that was denied by the judge.

Making an example of him. Child pornography busts have had much more lenient sentences.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...killings-video
Indeed

He is appealing apparently so am guessing it will be reduced.

Apparently he is in segregation, so he doesn't even get a warm welcome from our friendly gang guests
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Old 18th June 2019, 12:10 AM   #1962
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
The bloke who shared the massacre video has been given a jail sentence of 21 months.

Well within the frame for Home Detention, but that was denied by the judge.

Making an example of him. Child pornography busts have had much more lenient sentences.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...killings-video
I'm not in favor of child pornography and I sure as Hell am not in favor of Islam in New Zealand. But snuff films are pretty high on the depravity scale no matter who the victims are and this one is a doozy.
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Old 18th June 2019, 01:42 PM   #1963
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Indeed

He is appealing apparently so am guessing it will be reduced.
I'd be very surprised, but we'll see.

The average sentence for murdering a child is a touch over 4 years, so there's definitely an issue there.

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Apparently he is in segregation, so he doesn't even get a warm welcome from our friendly gang guests
I imagine "segregated" in Chch prison just means he's in with all the other white blokes, where he'll be a hero. Any of the Harris gang inside right now?

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I'm not in favor of child pornography and I sure as Hell am not in favor of Islam in New Zealand. But snuff films are pretty high on the depravity scale no matter who the victims are and this one is a doozy.
No worse than some documentaries. Our 6pm network news has no problem showing violent deaths, and whether it's 1 or 50 makes no difference to me.

The video itself is widely and freely available on the internet, so whether or not someone distributes it to willing watchers is moot, to me - they can go and watch it right now.

The telescopic sights were a nice tough in Arps' video, though.

We're going to turn this bloke into a martyr for white supremacy. Clever play.
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Old 18th June 2019, 08:15 PM   #1964
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I sure as Hell am not in favor of Islam in New Zealand.
Why not? How about Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity?

None of these religions are native to New Zealand, all have extremists. So why separate one from the others for special attention?
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From the "Someone did not think this through" department.

A jewellery company introduces a range called Beautiful Trouble.

One of the range is a bullet pendant inscribed with the initials BT.

What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...shaped-pendant
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Originally Posted by Stuff.co.nz
The man accused of the Christchurch mosque attacks has entered shock guilty pleas, bringing relief to survivors and victims' families.

Amid extraordinary coronavirus lockdown restrictions, Brenton Tarrant, 29, appeared via video-link in the High Court at Christchurch on Thursday morning and admitted 51 charges of murder, 40 charges of attempted murder and a charge of engaging in a terrorist act.
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Cool. Saves the hassle of a trial.

My suggestion.

Chuck him in general pop' and let it happen.
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Old 25th March 2020, 08:49 PM   #1968
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Chuck him in general pop' and let it happen.
We could run a sweep on how long he'd survive in Block D at Pare Max.

I'd be going very short - there are enough guys in there who would do it just to gain the notoriety and who couldn't care less if they got 15 years tacked on for it.
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Cool. Saves the hassle of a trial.

My suggestion.

Chuck him in general pop' and let it happen.
Macauley Island. Drop him off with a loaded gun. Wave goodbye. Don't come back.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Macauley Island. Drop him off with a loaded gun. Wave goodbye. Don't come back.
No, send him to a populated island call Null Island. Heaps of people visit or live there. Here is a video on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjvIpI-1w84

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Edit. Problem with that island is that there are no good beaches to land on. The few that exist have cliffs around them. He might also do environmental damage to the Island.
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No, send him to a populated island call Null Island. Heaps of people visit or live there. Here is a video on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjvIpI-1w84

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Problem with [Macauley] island is that there are no good beaches to land on. The few that exist have cliffs around them. He might also do environmental damage to the Island.
True about the beaches and cliffs. So drop him on a bad beach and he can sort the rest out himself. Or he can just sit there and get eaten by seals. I doubt he could do any environmental damage on his own. At least he will make good compost.

Btw. I'm Australian. We don't want him back. Good riddance.
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I wonder why he pleaded guilty. I mean it's obvious that he did it but it's common for these types to go with not guilty and then force a trial.
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Btw. I'm Australian. We don't want him back. Good riddance.
With 52 life sentences he's a prime candidate for Preventative Detention, but I'm fine with giving him life, holding him for 30 years and then on parole, deporting him back to Australia.
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With 52 life sentences he's a prime candidate for Preventative Detention, but I'm fine with giving him life, holding him for 30 years and then on parole, deporting him back to Australia.
No, sentence him to two years jail from the time of his arrest and then deport him to Australia. Save NZ the expense of keeping him locked up. I do not believe this would encourage any other terrorist in NZ.

Then Australia can teach the world what to do with people who are deported from Australia.

The above will never happen.
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No, sentence him to two years jail from the time of his arrest and then deport him to Australia. Save NZ the expense of keeping him locked up. I do not believe this would encourage any other terrorist in NZ.

Then Australia can teach the world what to do with people who are deported from Australia.

The above will never happen.
I wouldn't even put him in jail for two years - I'd be happy to deport him as soon as planes are flying again.
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I wouldn't even put him in jail for two years - I'd be happy to deport him as soon as planes are flying again.
I say he should take a boat.

Then be put in detention with others who arrive via boat with no documentation (it can be lost for him very easily, never mind that).

Patch the cameras through to a livestream and donate the ad revenue to a victims' fund.
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Well the sentencing arrives for the nut burger tomorrow.

Put down for 4 days to go through victim impact statements etc.

For Americans we don't have them lumped on each other so we won't see 5000 years or what have you.

I am thinking at least 17 years (probably a lot more) with the judge giving no chance of parole and he will rot till death lonely.
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Well the sentencing arrives for the nut burger tomorrow.

Put down for 4 days to go through victim impact statements etc.

For Americans we don't have them lumped on each other so we won't see 5000 years or what have you.

I am thinking at least 17 years (probably a lot more) with the judge giving no chance of parole and he will rot till death lonely.
The government will spend big $ every year to keep him locked up. Pity there is no easy alternative.
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Yeah.

Was reading the other day your average prisoner is costing 300 bucks a day and because of security he is costing 5000 bucks a day and this is likely to be till he dies.

Just turf the dude back to Aus to deal with would be my choice now.

They have offered.

1.8 million a year

He is 29 so to keep this piece of fleshy pond scum alive till say 80 we are looking of 90 million dollars.
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I am thinking at least 17 years (probably a lot more) with the judge giving no chance of parole and he will rot till death lonely.
It sure as hell won't be 17 years - Dwane Bell got 30 for only killing 3 at the RSA.

I think ti will be 50.

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The government will spend big $ every year to keep him locked up. Pity there is no easy alternative.
As Cully noted - there is an easy alternative, deport him to Australia.
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II have made a new thread to discuss the idea of alternatives to jail. Thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com...9#post13198739
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Not that it helps the families

Done and dusted. **** off and rot away you piece of ****

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12359688

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Christchurch mosque attack sentencing: Brenton Tarrant will never be released from jail

He is a terrorist, an inhumane and wicked mass killer – a "monster" and "undoubtedly" New Zealand's "worst murderer".

And now Brenton Harrison Tarrant will never be released from prison, spending the rest of his life behind bars without any possibility of parole.

He has today been sentenced to life imprisonment without parole – meaning he will never, ever be freed.

It is the first time in New Zealand history this sentence has been imposed.

Key points from today's sentencing include:
-The Crown pushed for life without parole for "clearly New Zealand's worst murderer".
-Tarrant did not oppose being locked up for life.
-He claimed in a pre-sentence report that he was not racist or xenophobic.
-He said his political and social views at the time weren't real, saying he felt ostracised and had wanted to damage society.
-But he accepted it was without doubt a terror attack.
-The Crown said it was clearly ideologically driven, saying Tarrant was a dangerous narcissist who warranted a life without parole.

On March 15 2019 the 29-year-old Australian stormed two Christchurch mosques during Friday prayer and opened fire on men, women and children worshipping.

As a result of his attack 51 people died and 40 were wounded.

He initially pleaded not guilty to his offending but later changed his mind and admitted 51 charges of murder, 40 counts of attempted murder and one of engaging in a terrorist act laid under the Terrorism Suppression Act 2002.

Sentencing for the mass murderer started on Monday in the High Court at Christchurch before Justice Cameron Mander.

After the sentence was handed down just before 2pm the mass murderer left the courtroom. The public gallery remained silent.

Justice Mander then addressed the people in court - the bereaved, the brave and the survivors.

He thanked all lawyers for their assistance and professionalism; Victim Support workers, the hard work of the staff of various agencies who had managed the logistics of the hearing, the media's responsible approach to reporting the proceeding.
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Happiness is a morally righteous nation.
Excuse me for lamenting egregious sinning by the morally righteous.
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Happiness is a morally righteous nation.
Excuse me for lamenting egregious sinning by the morally righteous.
Not actually sure what you mean, but just glad we don't have to hear about the piece of scum again and he is forever locked up.

Even at the cost of it.
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Not actually sure what you mean, but just glad we don't have to hear about the piece of scum again and he is forever locked up.

Even at the cost of it.
Ok the cost is not the issue

Are we condemning the correct person?
It all seems too simple.
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Ok the cost is not the issue

Are we condemning the correct person?
It all seems too simple.
You think he didn't make the decision to murder all those people?
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You think he didn't make the decision to murder all those people?
I know he did. Less well known is him discovering his father having hanged himself at the front door when a school kid. He and his mother.
The father fought a multinational for his asbestosis, and Brenton got the payout posthumously.
This forum is useful to explore more complex motivations. Unfortunately I have an irremediably jaundiced view of the virtue ethics paraded in this flawed colony.
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I know he did. ...snip...
Then what is the issue with his sentencing?
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Then what is the issue with his sentencing?
Tarrant never expected to survive and he is on bonus days. He expected LWP.

It is the hypocrisy at many levels here I confront. The prime minister and chief justice are complicit in the Lundy case and there is proof.
Good luck getting traction there.
He was the most hated man in New Zealand until now.
I do not expect you to perceive linkage, that is just the pain a few I know well endure.
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Tarrant never expected to survive and he is on bonus days. He expected LWP.
Again what is wrong with his sentence?
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It is the hypocrisy at many levels here I confront. The prime minister and chief justice are complicit in the Lundy case and there is proof.
Good luck getting traction there.
He was the most hated man in New Zealand until now.
I do not expect you to perceive linkage, that is just the pain a few I know well endure.
It doesn't matter if every other court trial has been wrong/incompetent/corrupt in the entire history of New Zealand in regards to him having been judged guilty in this case.

So you are right there is no link.

What there seems to be is that you are disgruntled about another case, so you are disgruntled about this case. That of course has no bearing whatsoever on the facts of this case.
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Again what is wrong with his sentence?


It doesn't matter if every other court trial has been wrong/incompetent/corrupt in the entire history of New Zealand in regards to him having been judged guilty in this case.

So you are right there is no link.

What there seems to be is that you are disgruntled about another case, so you are disgruntled about this case. That of course has no bearing whatsoever on the facts of this case.
If the discussion is constrained to the crime and the punishment you are correct.
But is it that simple?
Muslim women say Ardern set their case for dissociation from the patriarchy back by decades with her donning the head scarf.
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If the discussion is constrained to the crime and the punishment you are correct.
But is it that simple?
Muslim women say Ardern set their case for dissociation from the patriarchy back by decades with her donning the head scarf.
Which Muslim women?
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Not that it helps the families
I found the cheering of the sentence a touch perverse.

I also utterly fail to see the help to anyone in family members standing in court telling Tarrant he was going to hell.

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I know he did. Less well known is him discovering his father having hanged himself at the front door when a school kid. He and his mother.
The father fought a multinational for his asbestosis, and Brenton got the payout posthumously.
This forum is useful to explore more complex motivations. Unfortunately I have an irremediably jaundiced view of the virtue ethics paraded in this flawed colony.
You've lost the plot entirely, mate.

Other people have been through as bad, or worse, and didn't end up mudering innocent people as a result.
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Old 27th August 2020, 03:29 AM   #1994
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I found the cheering of the sentence a touch perverse.

I also utterly fail to see the help to anyone in family members standing in court telling Tarrant he was going to hell.



You've lost the plot entirely, mate.

Other people have been through as bad, or worse, and didn't end up mudering innocent people as a result.
Of course that is always true but you generalise from the particular.
A live specimen is studied in nature but this race to expunge this guy is pathetic.
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Which Muslim women?
BBC interview a muslim escapee in Canada who wrote a book explaining the impossibility of disentanglement from this vile patriarchy.
She was interviewed by a New Zealand male interviewer who struggled with her description of Ardern setting the cause back decades.
I got it though because the full frontal Ardern as world saviour is something I endure with huge pain, knowing her vile hypocrisy. English people know Johnson a bit too.
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Of course that is always true but you generalise from the particular.
Or, don't generalise.

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I got it though because the full frontal Ardern as world saviour is something I endure with huge pain, knowing her vile hypocrisy.
Sorry, but the Immaculate Conception never actually happened, and Mother Teresa was a murderess.

Saints are few and far between and trying to hang Jacinda on the back of one legal case she's never had any input into really just makes you a cynic of the worst kind.
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Or, don't generalise.



Sorry, but the Immaculate Conception never actually happened, and Mother Teresa was a murderess.

Saints are few and far between and trying to hang Jacinda on the back of one legal case she's never had any input into really just makes you a cynic of the worst kind.
No input?
Please expand.
Maybe not exactly here but I said I had proof.

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BBC interview a muslim escapee in Canada who wrote a book explaining the impossibility of disentanglement from this vile patriarchy.
She was interviewed by a New Zealand male interviewer who struggled with her description of Ardern setting the cause back decades.
I got it though because the full frontal Ardern as world saviour is something I endure with huge pain, knowing her vile hypocrisy. English people know Johnson a bit too.
So one Muslim woman then. Does she provide evidence that Arden set the cause of all Muslim women back decades? Does she describe actions that have been taken against Muslim women as a direct result of Ardernís head scarf? Does she explain how she is able to extrapolate the simple act of a non-Muslimís wearing of a head scarf to things that will (or will not) happen in future decades? Or is this mere unevidenced opinion?

Note: writing a book does not make a personís opinions correct.

And while this may warrant a separate discussion it has absolutely no connection to the trial and sentencing of the murderer, nor to peopleís reactions to the sentencing.
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If the discussion is constrained to the crime and the punishment you are correct.
Which is what you are doing when you make comments about the judgement and sentencing.
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But is it that simple?
Since you don't seem to doubt the verdict then yes it is that simple- one reads the judge's decision and that is that.

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Muslim women say Ardern set their case for dissociation from the patriarchy back by decades with her donning the head scarf.
Which has nothing to do with the crime and trial.
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Which is what you are doing when you make comments about the judgement and sentencing.

Since you don't seem to doubt the verdict then yes it is that simple- one reads the judge's decision and that is that.



Which has nothing to do with the crime and trial.
But maybe with the thread title?
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