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http://www.heesy.com/uploads/Heesy_2...ilosophers.pdf
Does anyone have access to the entire book review (Legend Meets Science)? I can only get the second page, and it is pretty scathing. |
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1reu...layer_embedded
Dr. Meldrum at Honobia Conference 2008, 1 Hour long, presentation on the Yahren. |
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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What is the anatony of a Sasquatch foot and how does it function? By Dr. Richard Eisner. Salem, Massachusetts, June 2009.
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Dr. Meldrum seems to be pretty quiet these days..
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Eisner did the blogtalk radio show "Bigfoot Quest" in August of last year. Here's the show:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Bigfoot.../bigfoot-quest It's actually very difficult to listen to as it's pretty bad radio, particularly in the beginning. It's also right before the revelation of the Georgia hoax so there is a lot of hope and excitement coming from many of the people talking. There's also mention of a John Cartwright foot fetish. ![]() |
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Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6 |
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Foot fetish...good one!
Dr. Eisner has actually debated with Dr. Meldrum on the phone regarding the mid-tarsal break theory. He might have mentioned it during that show, I cannot remember. Dr. Eisner is a regular in the chat room for Bigfoot quest his blog talk name is FootDoc. If it matters, I do not subscribe to the mid-tarsal break theory. |
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Bigfoot takes pictures of Chuck Norris.
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I'd bet all my Bert's Bigfoot Suit Rental™ late charges and my 420 Bazooka Joe™ comics that Dr. Meldrum just wishes Bigfoot and anything and everything to do with 'it' would just go the **** away. I doubt we even want to know the hours he's spent agonizing over the stupid-stupid-stupid idea of him going public with his (for all intents and purposes) 'belief' in Bigfoot.
I'd not be surprised to find out he's already switched sides. If he hasn't, or won't, something that could happen is: Probably not in the near future, but a little later in his career, possibly when he knows he closer to death, and of course there's still no Bigfoot, he's going to 'certify' in some kind of scientific manner, something, maybe a print, a hair, a bone, definitely something not easily repulsed by laymen, as genuinely Bigfoot. It's an almost no lose proposition. At the worst it helps him. At best it exalts him. And he gets the last laugh. The ******! |
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From what I've seen, the standard tactic for proponents who realize that Bigfoot doesn't exist and don't want to admit it (or switch to the paranormal explanation) is to say that they've given up on looking for evidence and now want to devote their efforts to protecting "those magnificent animals."
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![]() Is the 'Mid-tarsal Break' theory is his alone? That one never made real sense to me. Especially in light of the fact there's been barely a print that exhibits anything even resembling such a feature. It's a viable theory for a heretofore unheard of primate trait, AND a common anatomical feature of a heretofore unknown and otherwise unseen primate? To paraphrase a classic - "First time formulating a theory...doctor?" Seems he missed class that day they taught theorizing. |
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As far as I know, yes.
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Is this investigator Curt Nelson, the same as the DNA Doctor that they used to test the DNA at the cabin, featured in Monsterquest?
http://www.sasquatchillustrationproj...-01/4533189920 |
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On BFD...
Originally Posted by Jeff on BFD
Originally Posted by Stacy Flowers
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ISU Headlines
ISU anatomy professor Meldrum, author of 'Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science,' interviewed for appearance on 'Today Show'
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Fools and their money...
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The Whopper with cheese....
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"But why doesn't Bigfoot get habituated? Everything can be habituated. Give me a crate of Oreos and I could habituate you."-kitakaze ThePonderingPossum.com |
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Hmm...Whitewolf Productions...
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I have record of all known grants and awards to him. I think it's approaching $200K. It's not entirely clear because the editors of the ISU Newsletter and ISU Headlines are slackers.
His listed monies do not include book sales or payments for speaking at various events and television productions. Current Grant Funding Meldrum. Varioius Private Donations. Hypothesis: An unrecognized primate responsible for footprints. LOL. Alternative Hypothesis: A recognized primate responsible for footprints. |
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Whitewolf Productions is Doug Hajicek/"Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science"/MonsterQuest.
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Don't forget monies he's earned selling plaster foot casts copies at Bigfoot symposiums. I have personally seen the feeding frenzy around his Bigfoot carnival tent.
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Then there is other funding specific to work with his collection of plaster casts...
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Nice work. I agree that there is value in this information for countering the whole "we can't get money to study bigfoot" nonsense.
Folks should bear in mind, however, that if this is money ISU knows about, then it's not like Meldrum can use this to trick out his office jacuzzi. Presumably, all of those smaller grants were given to him in response to some kind of a proposal. Thus, he's bound to actually do the things he outlined in each proposal, e.g., use the money to travel to some museum, buy some piece of equipment, hire staff to pore over endless stealth cam video. Two hundred grand wouldn't last very long for a field study. It's likely that ISU is taking overhead (~ 50% off the top is typical) for any grant over $5000. I pay $900/month for a truck, plus $0.45/mile. A graduate student runs the professor ~ $30 -$40k annually. Yes, there is an obvious, material benefit to Dr. Meldrum continuing in his bigfoot delusions. But that doesn't mean that he's personally making money through his "research." His books, sure. But if he's actually doing what he claims to be doing in terms of his research program, he'd eat through $200k very quickly. |
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But it won't function as a real counter when you get right down to the local folks who make up the fabric of the folktale. I'm talking about the Okies, Texans and Ohioans who would insist that their turf is chock full of Bigfoots and would be even easier to survey than the PNW or Rocky Mountains.
Does anyone know who owns that big collection of plaster casts in Meldrum's lab? Is it him, or the ISU? |
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You mean, there might be a grad student somewhere at Idaho State University, helping Dr. Meldrum with his Bigfoot research? Imagine the tail that dude pulls at the Pocatello Pub on quarter beer night.
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I'm almost certain it is his personal collection. IIRC Krantz willed his own extensive collection to Meldrum when he passed.
The last I checked the average cost was around $40 for a cast replica. I've amassed my own collection via horse trading with others. Cast replicas are the de facto baseball cards of the bigfoot world. |
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You see Shrike, a Bigfooter could still say that "we can't get money to study Bigfoot for anywhere other than the PNW and Rockies". Look at the sighting map. Meldrum needs to set up funded projects on the other side of the country.
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