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Old 10th September 2013, 07:42 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by STRONG LIKE BEAR View Post
Ooh no you di-int!

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Yeah Chris, the people telling you that Bigfoot is not real are the ones with the sad lives. It's not the bumbling fool creeping through his Kentucky backwood seeing brush and tree snaps and thinking it's a Bigfoot "shelter"
No, I was speaking specifically to you of your postings. Everything you have posted toward me has been negative. It must be hell to have all that negativity inside.

Don't flatter yourself, I honestly don't care if you think there's a Bigfoot or not. I only wish you could share that opinion as well.

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Old 10th September 2013, 07:45 AM   #162
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Good thing there's no danger of that.
To a Bigfooter however, "If I'm attacked" is the same as something in the shadows howling at them. We all know Primates do bluff charges and sound to intimidate. If you hear a Bigfoot howling or screaming at you, your life is in danger.

I point you to the following TBRC NAWAC video, at 56:43 and this shooting incident at Area X. It is the "Cluck-back" incident.
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I think they are liars. But they are lying to themselves first. Then me.
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Old 10th September 2013, 07:55 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
So am I right in presuming you think I am a liar?
Not believing your story is not the same as calling you a liar.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
No, I was speaking specifically to you of your postings. Everything you have posted toward me has been negative. It must be hell to have all that negativity inside.

Don't flatter yourself, I honestly don't care if you think there's a Bigfoot or not. I only wish you could share that opinion as well.

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He's not negative, he's positive there is no bigfoot.

He doesn't think there isn't a bigfoot, he knows.
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Old 10th September 2013, 07:59 AM   #166
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I agree Thaiboxerken, there is a difference. One is civil and the other isn't.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:01 AM   #167
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But if you cannot call a liar a liar because of some incivility rule then Bigfoot hoaxers have special advantages.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:05 AM   #168
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When dealing with Bigfooters, it is often the direct, but true comments that have the greatest effect.

For example, when I ask a Bigfooter "Do you take any medications?" or "Do you have a history of Narcolepsy or REM sleep disorders?", do you think the answer is yes or no?

Usually it is, "I REPORTED YOU FOR ASKING PERSONAL QUESTIONS"

Why do you think that is?
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:06 AM   #169
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
He's not negative, he's positive there is no bigfoot.

He doesn't think there isn't a bigfoot, he knows.
One could choose to be civil though and still disagree. For example, since I know Bigfoot does exist, I don't call others "idiot" just because they're uneducated on the subject and share a different view based on that lack of experience.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:09 AM   #170
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Everything you have posted toward me has been negative.
Yeah, that's what happens when you discuss Bigfoot in a forum that doesn't coddle you and run cover-fire for your delusions.

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Don't flatter yourself, I honestly don't care if you think there's a Bigfoot or not. I only wish you could share that opinion as well.
Welp, the PGF is a hoax, along with all the other Bigfoot "evidence" of the past 60 years.. so.. do you have some new evidence to present or something?

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Old 10th September 2013, 08:10 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
But if you cannot call a liar a liar because of some incivility rule then Bigfoot hoaxers have special advantages.
A hoaxer is a liar by definition. As long as that fact is proven the shoe fits. Unproven accusations are not valid.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:11 AM   #172
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
One could choose to be civil though and still disagree. For example, since I know Bigfoot does exist, I don't call others "idiot" just because they're uneducated on the subject and share a different view based on that lack of experience.
You don't know any such thing. You think bigfoot exists.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:13 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
...I don't call others "idiot" just because they're uneducated on the subject and share a different view based on that lack of experience.
Didn't you just call somebody a "kid" in one of your posts?
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:15 AM   #174
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Originally Posted by STRONG LIKE BEAR View Post
Yeah, that's what happens when you discuss Bigfoot in a forum that doesn't coddle you and run cover-fire for your delusions.



Welp, the PGF is a hoax, along with all the other Bigfoot "evidence" of the past 60 years.. so.. do you have some new evidence to present or something?


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I have nothing to hide. I'm fine with your opinion on Bigfoot, let's drop the insults.

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Old 10th September 2013, 08:19 AM   #175
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
A hoaxer is a liar by definition. As long as that fact is proven the shoe fits. Unproven accusations are not valid.
In general, Bigfootery does not call out its hoaxers. Only a small number are held up above the crowd on pikes for all to call hoaxers.

Meldrum has over 200 footprint casts in his collection at the university. He has never declared even a single one of them to be a hoax.

What I think you want to say is: you can't go and call any Bigfooter a liar unless all the other Bigfooters have already called them a liar.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:22 AM   #176
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When dealing with Bigfooters, it is often the direct, but true comments that have the greatest effect.

For example, when I ask a Bigfooter "Do you take any medications?" or "Do you have a history of Narcolepsy or REM sleep disorders?", do you think the answer is yes or no?

Usually it is, "I REPORTED YOU FOR ASKING PERSONAL QUESTIONS"

Why do you think that is?
Some are intimidated by those questions. If the questions are asked the wrong way it suggests the interviewer thinks the witness is mentally unstable. Asked the right way, it's no problem. Proper interview techniques must be studied before doing a witness interview. It boils down to an inexperienced interviewer if the witness becomes hostile.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:23 AM   #177
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Some are intimidated by those questions. If the questions are asked the wrong way it suggests the interviewer thinks the witness is mentally unstable.
Searching for legendary animals is normal behaviour?
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:31 AM   #178
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In general, Bigfootery does not call out its hoaxers. Only a small number are held up above the crowd on pikes for all to call hoaxers.

Meldrum has over 200 footprint casts in his collection at the university. He has never declared even a single one of them to be a hoax.

What I think you want to say is: you can't go and call any Bigfooter a liar unless all the other Bigfooters have already called them a liar.
Bigfoot research is largely about calling out hoaxers. Hoaxers must be exposed for what they do and what they are with undeniable evidence of the hoax they committed.

Dr Meldrum likely has some hoaxed prints in his collection. I don't know as I've not seen it in person. There's really no need to call a press conference to announce he has a few hoaxed casts is there? If he does have some, he should be able to tell the difference.

A civil discussion shouldn't be difficult to aquire.
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Some are intimidated by those questions. If the questions are asked the wrong way it suggests the interviewer thinks the witness is mentally unstable. Asked the right way, it's no problem. Proper interview techniques must be studied before doing a witness interview. It boils down to an inexperienced interviewer if the witness becomes hostile.
This seems to be an ongoing argumentative defense among people with fringe benefits. The constant pleas that everything criticism of them has to be phrased "in the right way" to a completely unreasonable, indeed impossible, degree. Hence the constant "So you think I'm a liar?" baiting when people point out how logically impossible many of these statements are. I think it's a defense mechanism to dismiss obvious problems with fringe beliefs without actually addressing them.

As best as I can put it I think the phrase "I know Bigfoot exists" to be logically untenable. I believe a person making this statement is, at best, woefully mistaken and yes often a liar, suffers from mental disorder, or is otherwise simply not mentally stable or honest.

Where you specifically fall on this scale I don't know and honestly don't care. It doesn't change my basic response to the statement.

I don't have to psychoanalyze the hows and whys of a false statement in order to state that it is wrong.

Whether you are factually wrong, lying, mentally unstable or trolling my response to you is not going to change.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:35 AM   #180
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Searching for legendary animals is normal behaviour?
I think most people don't just wake up one morning and decide to go out looking for Bigfoot. Most researchers are simply trying to validate an encounter or sighting they've had. Chances are if an 8 foot ape ran across your back yard, you'd probably wanna know more about it.
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Why do you call them researchers instead of believers?
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Some are intimidated by those questions. If the questions are asked the wrong way it suggests the interviewer thinks the witness is mentally unstable.
What do you do if the witness is mentally unstable? Do you just proceed and pretend that they aren't? Would that then be a form of lying or hoaxing?
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This seems to be an ongoing argumentative defense among people with fringe benefits. The constant pleas that everything criticism of them has to be phrased "in the right way" to a completely unreasonable, indeed impossible, degree. Hence the constant "So you think I'm a liar?" baiting when people point out how logically impossible many of these statements are. I think it's a defense mechanism to dismiss obvious problems with fringe beliefs without actually addressing them.

As best as I can put it I think the phrase "I know Bigfoot exists" to be logically untenable. I believe a person making this statement is, at best, woefully mistaken and yes often a liar, suffers from mental disorder, or is otherwise simply not mentally stable or honest.

Where you specifically fall on this scale I don't know and honestly don't care. It doesn't change my basic response to the statement.

I don't have to psychoanalyze the hows and whys of a false statement in order to state that it is wrong.

Whether you are factually wrong, lying, mentally unstable or trolling my response to you is not going to change.
And I would think a Bic lighter would be almost impossible to fathom by those whom had never seen one.
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What do you do if the witness is mentally unstable? Do you just proceed and pretend that they aren't? Would that then be a form of lying or hoaxing?
It's not the interviewer's place to council the witness. Just to ask the questions, get the sighting details, make the observations, and record the findings.
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Why do you call them researchers instead of believers?
We've already been over this before, I think you know my take on faith base verses study. Why do you call them "believers"?
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And I would think a Bic lighter would be almost impossible to fathom by those whom had never seen one.
True. And if one had never seen a Bic Lighter having one shown to you would be a perfectly reasonable request. We wouldn't accept "I have evidence of a Bic Lighter that I'll show you in the future, not now, because of... reasons."

Bigfooters are always acting as if "Present a body" is some massively unreasonable standard of evidence.

It's an animal. It would leave evidence. Real, hard, solid concrete evidence. It's been decades at this point but all we've gotten is questionable evidence and these sad "We have evidence but can't show it to you" games.

So me a body. Show me a hide. Show me a skeleton. Show me video that doesn't look like it was taken with a broken 1996 camera phone held by someone with Parkinson's during an earthquake. Show me something other then some appeal to some special pleading as to why "Some known huckster says he has secret evidence that he can't show us" should suffice.

People accepted immediately that the ceolacanth existed when one was actually caught. People accepted that the gorilla existed when a skull and other bones were presented.

We are not holding Bigfoot to some new, unreasonable standard.
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I'm not here to prove Bigfoot exists for you. Sorry. Be content with your beliefs. I wish you well.
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I'm not here to prove Bigfoot exists for you. Sorry. Be content with your beliefs. I wish you well.
Then everyone here is perfectly within reason to dismiss your claims as bunk.
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I'm not here to prove Bigfoot exists for you. Sorry. Be content with your beliefs. I wish you well.
It is not a belief. Show me evidence and I will accept that Bigfoot exists. Your stories, vague photos and films of men in suits are not enough.
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Then everyone here is perfectly within reason to dismiss your claims as bunk.
Yes certainly, and everyone here is also free to find your posts and opinions insulting and of little value as well. Cheers.
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*Sighs* Is there some guideline in the Woo Slinger handbook that says "One must always end their posts with a sarcastic, faux-polite 'Cheers.'?"
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It is not a belief. Show me evidence and I will accept that Bigfoot exists. Your stories, vague photos and films of men in suits are not enough.
Films of men in suits? What film? P/G?
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*Sighs* Is there some guideline in the Woo Slinger handbook that says "One must always end their posts with a sarcastic, faux-polite 'Cheers.'?"
I don't know what other's use may imply but to me "Cheers" is my way to say we don't have to agree on everything to get along and although we differ in opinion I'd still have a drink with you (non-alcoholic of course).
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A civil discussion shouldn't be difficult to aquire.
It is an almost universal truth that Bigfooters have a very serious problem being civil. The history of this forum is a history of believers and knowers going off the deep end. We have a cemetery here with their gravestones.
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Rick Dyer, the Georgia Bigfoot body hoaxer. There is absolutely no chance Rick Dyer has anything. He is a liar and a hoaxer, both of which have already been proven as fact. His 5 minutes of fame is over. End of story.
He's playing the bigfoot game and he's not the only one.
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William, it's likely the pile ons and namecalling by multiple members here provoke a like response from the Bigfooters. After a few warnings they're off the forum. Where as only a few on the skeptical side receive a warning for their over the top behavior.

Clever strategy but crystal as well.
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Old 10th September 2013, 09:30 AM   #199
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Chris, your saga here and what led to it are nearly identical to that of "WGBH" who has no problem using his real name John Cartwright. Most of his posts are in the first "Bigfoot - Anyone Seem One? thread. He is a knower who would not budge. And he would post prolific like an obsessed person with an obsession. Do you know him? His Bigfoot was eating berries and not bark.
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He's playing the bigfoot game and he's not the only one.
http://www.bfrpky.com/PICS.html
http://www.youtube.com/user/mrclean34/videos
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