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Old 10th September 2013, 07:36 PM   #281
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Any hypothetical animal can avoid any array of trail cameras forever.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
William, it's likely the pile ons and namecalling by multiple members here provoke a like response from the Bigfooters. After a few warnings they're off the forum. Where as only a few on the skeptical side receive a warning for their over the top behavior.

Clever strategy but crystal as well.
If you see what you think is "over the top behavior", you have a responsibility to report it (see the little (!) button?). If the mods agree with you, action will be taken. If not, you may be mistaken about the quality of the behaviour you find offensive.

I find the accusations of "piling on" amusing...as if, once a believer states, categorically, without evidence, that 'Squatch DOES exist; then, if one poster points out the irrationality of that position, no other poster may comment. What you are calling "piling on" is the aggregate of multiple skeptical individuals expressing individual takes on the unreasonableness of the claim of "knowing" that 'Squatch exists.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Ah and once again the lecture to deny Bigfoot. I get it, you don't think they exist. Good for you. But they do.
...and your evidence for this assertion is...what, exactly?

THAT'S why y'all get called "believers".
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:42 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Any hypothetical animal can avoid any array of trail cameras forever.
But can an array of trail cams avoid hypothetical animals forever? Not if they're made by Amway™. At some point the cams will inevitably approach the animals for potential recruitment. It's just a matter of time.
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:42 PM   #285
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I believe that Rick Dyer is telling the truth and that the bigfoot he shot and killed will be released sometime before January 1st, 2014. I'm curious to know if the skeptics here would fully embrace this discovery when the scientists confirm it or if you will just write it off as another hoax. What would it take for you to realize that this is actually real? There comes a point when the evidence is so great that it takes more faith to believe its a hoax.

Not only will you see pictures and video of the bigfoot, but a top tier team of scientists who have been studying the body for a year will hold a press conference to disclose their findings. Then in 2014, Rick will be taking the body on tour across the U.S. so you can get the chance to see it in person. Also, after this proves bigfoot's existence, will it open up the possibility of other cryptids being real, like the Jersey Devil, for instance? In any case, it will show that mass eyewitness testimony should be taken more seriously than it has been among skeptics.
Hey, that's great! I'll believe that when I see it! And if credible independent scientists confirm it. For now, however, I remain skeptical.

It does seem odd to me, however, that if he really has a bigfoot body, why keep it hidden?
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Old 10th September 2013, 08:59 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by Nogard View Post
What would it take for you to realize that this is actually real? There comes a point when the evidence is so great that it takes more faith to believe its a hoax.
How about any evidence at all?

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Not only will you see pictures and video of the bigfoot, but a top tier team of scientists who have been studying the body for a year will hold a press conference to disclose their findings. Then in 2014, Rick will be taking the body on tour across the U.S. so you can get the chance to see it in person.
Please, please, please promise us you will post here on January 2nd, 2014.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Ah and once again the lecture to deny Bigfoot. I get it, you don't think they exist. Good for you. But they do.
I would like to rephrase my earlier post.

Would you mind explaining to me, simply and forthrightly, WHY you believe the portion of your post I have taken the liberty to highlight? I would sincerely like to know your reasons...
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Old 10th September 2013, 09:26 PM   #288
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Why is only one Bigfoot ever spotted at a time? Wouldn't/shouldn't they be social creatures and live in groups like all other ape species on this planet?
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Old 10th September 2013, 09:30 PM   #289
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Why is only one Bigfoot ever spotted at a time? Wouldn't/shouldn't they be social creatures and live in groups like all other ape species on this planet?
Because renting gorilla costumes gets expensive?
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Old 10th September 2013, 09:33 PM   #290
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Dash cams are becoming increasingly popular. Bigfoot will undoubtedly keep avoiding these as well, just as it avoids being hit by vehicles or trains, despite a propensity for being near and crossing, highways and railroads
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Old 10th September 2013, 09:51 PM   #291
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"Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
William, it's likely the pile ons and namecalling by multiple members here provoke a like response from the Bigfooters. After a few warnings they're off the forum. Where as only a few on the skeptical side receive a warning for their over the top behavior.

Clever strategy but crystal as well."

This is exactly how the BFF works, only in the opposite way!

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Old 10th September 2013, 09:59 PM   #292
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Dash cams are becoming increasingly popular. Bigfoot will undoubtedly keep avoiding these as well, just as it avoids being hit by vehicles or trains, despite a propensity for being near and crossing, highways and railroads

Of course, it already avoids being seen by the many thousands of hunters and other outdoors types who have no interest in bigfoot.
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Old 10th September 2013, 10:12 PM   #293
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Of course, it already avoids being seen by the many thousands of hunters and other outdoors types who have no interest in bigfoot.
It's a lot like the psychics who say their powers don't work on doubters. Only believers are permitted to see the BF.
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Old 10th September 2013, 10:31 PM   #294
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Of course, it already avoids being seen by the many thousands of hunters and other outdoors types who have no interest in bigfoot.
Come on, you know they are mostly in denial about the bigfoot population...
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Anyone can see bigfoot. You just need to perform the magic ritual correctly. First, you must construct an altar of baseless credulity. Then, you make the ritual vow to abstain from reason and introspective thought. Finally, you must sacrifice upon the altar the last vestiges of your rational thought.

This done, all the rest of your days will be filled with visions of bigfoot.
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Old 10th September 2013, 11:13 PM   #296
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It's fun to believe in mythical beasts, especially when they actually exist!
That does not follow... Mythological creatures, by definition, don't exist.
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Old 11th September 2013, 01:08 AM   #297
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My point is that this is not knowable. Just like we can't "know" which animals are extinct. But we also can't prove Santa doesn't exist either. Such is the burden of the skeptic.

Tyrannosaurus rex could possibly still be alive someplace with that logic. Right? Silly odin...

Mermaids could exist. Right?

Dragons could exist, but are invisible. Right?

What is impossible to exist odin? Spotted owls with webbed feet, glowing eyes that double as ray guns and they get about on an 8 foot long penis? No, it's possible. Right?

:-P

Seriously man, you are hilarious. Not.
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Why is only one Bigfoot ever spotted at a time? Wouldn't/shouldn't they be social creatures and live in groups like all other ape species on this planet?
They have terrible BO and halitosis.
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Old 11th September 2013, 03:40 AM   #299
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Why is only one Bigfoot ever spotted at a time? Wouldn't/shouldn't they be social creatures and live in groups like all other ape species on this planet?
Many folks have reported encounters with family groups, from Albert Ostman and Muchalat Harry 100 years ago to this guy Chris from Kentucky posting in this thread.
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Many folks have reported encounters with family groups, from Albert Ostman and Muchalat Harry 100 years ago to this guy Chris from Kentucky posting in this thread.
Bigfoots on a picnic. How cute.
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Of course, it already avoids being seen by the many thousands of hunters and other outdoors types who have no interest in bigfoot.
And the multitude of wildlife reseachers, forestry workers, birders, day hikers, surveyors, cannibis cultivators (I'll give them a pass for not reporting) et al.

Of course, bigfoot enthusiasts will claim all of these folks sight ole footie on a regular basis; some report, others are frightened of ridicule (yet the BFRO is rife with "reports") or risk to job. Yep, if you're a bigfoot enthusiast you get to have it both ways, always. No bigfoot is proof of bigfoot; it's elusive, yet seen all the time, throws rocks at cabins, looks in windows, yet can pass through thin suburban greenbelts sight unseen.

You have to ask yourself, "what kind of crap is this?" Well, it's the finest kind, the bigfoot kind, though no one has found any of that substance either.
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Many folks have reported encounters with family groups, from Albert Ostman and Muchalat Harry 100 years ago to this guy Chris from Kentucky posting in this thread.
What is even more puzzling, though, is that with them showing up in groups ( not some fleeting encounter in the woods of a single BF from 100 yards away) you would think the opportunity to gather physical evidence would be greater. I mean there sits more than one, munching on pine bark and giving each other back rubs and yet no attempt to collect samples? Or is it that there are samples but they are en route to some super secret lab? And when Chris receives his thank-you for bear hair letter a few months from now, no one will know.

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. . . you would think . . .
Therein lies the disconnect.

Yes, I think both Ostman and Harry made mention of some kind of bone midden in the lair of the bigfoots. Today that treasure trove of DNA would be untenable for bigfoot bleevers, so we don't hear details like this in the modern stories. Back then, however, the notion of some secluded nook on Vancouver Island where no white man had ever been was still believable to the masses. Today, bigfoot no longer is restricted to wilderness. Bigfoot is exurban at best, and downright suburban according to some. Thus, modern bigfoot stories stress the stealth and intelligence (as if these things could matter) of their wood ninjas, placing less emphasis on the skill and bravery of the storyteller to have hiked so deep into the woods that he encounters the bigfoots. Today it's about being mentally in the right place, i.e., having the right attitude so that the bigfoots allow you to see them, as opposed to being in the right place geographically.
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I believe that Rick Dyer is telling the truth and that the bigfoot he shot and killed will be released sometime before January 1st, 2014.
It's kind of sad that you don't recognize the pattern here.
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Why is only one Bigfoot ever spotted at a time? Wouldn't/shouldn't they be social creatures and live in groups like all other ape species on this planet?
Crazy people see them in groups. But only when the crazy people are alone.
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Crazy people see them in groups. But only when the crazy people are alone.
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Many folks have reported encounters with family groups, from Albert Ostman and Muchalat Harry 100 years ago to this guy Chris from Kentucky posting in this thread.
Err...I wasn't going to mention any names.
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What is even more puzzling, though, is that with them showing up in groups ( not some fleeting encounter in the woods of a single BF from 100 yards away) you would think the opportunity to gather physical evidence would be greater. I mean there sits more than one, munching on pine bark and giving each other back rubs and yet no attempt to collect samples? Or is it that there are samples but they are en route to some super secret lab? And when Chris receives his thank-you for bear hair letter a few months from now, no one will know.
Don't you know? If the DNA results come back as non-human primate, the scientists will throw it out. Just like that did with that "unknown primate" DNA.
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Don't you know? If the DNA results come back as non-human primate, the scientists will throw it out. Just like that did with that "unknown primate" DNA.
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According to quite a few Footers, all scientists are lazy, wrong and conformist. Except for Meldrum, Bindernagel and Krantz. They are the only true and courageous scientists out there. And, yes, courageous was used to describe them in a thread at BFF recently. I'm not embellishing that part.
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Bigfoot research is largely about calling out hoaxers. Hoaxers must be exposed for what they do and what they are with undeniable evidence of the hoax they committed.
Strange if true, because if it weren't for hoaxers, it would never occur to anyone to believe in Bigfoot.
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According to quite a few Footers, all scientists are lazy, wrong and conformist. Except for Meldrum, Bindernagel and Krantz. They are the only true and courageous scientists out there. And, yes, courageous was used to describe them in a thread at BFF recently. I'm not embellishing that part.
It's funny how the "courageous" scientists are also the ones who use crappy methodology and make questionable conclusions. I suppose it could be a coincidence.
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Originally Posted by dmaker View Post
According to quite a few Footers, all scientists are lazy, wrong and conformist. Except for Meldrum, Bindernagel and Krantz. They are the only true and courageous scientists out there. And, yes, courageous was used to describe them in a thread at BFF recently. I'm not embellishing that part.
They need someone to blame besides just skeptics (though many scientists are skeptics) for the failure of anyone anywhere to establish their pet cryptid. Though if enthusiasts are to be believed (and I don't) they know just where to find said cryptid.

So they should blame themselves.
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More excuses. Always excuses.

Anyone remember when CreekFreak had photographic proof of living ivory billed woodpeckers but just didn't have the money to develop the film?
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Are you serial? Game cam coverage is a joke. If 1 million game cams were operating around the clock and each one covered 2000 square feet, then they would cover the area denoted by the red dot on the map below (mid-Ontario).
a) There are under 10,000 speed-limit cops on American roads at any time.
b) Each cop is watching and area of one (at most) 1000 m^2
c) Collectively, traffic cops are only watching 10 km^2 of land, an area smaller than Manhattan.

Traffic cop coverage is a joke. That's why they haven't issued a single speeding ticket in the past 40 years.
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Tyrannosaurus rex could possibly still be alive someplace with that logic. Right? Silly odin...

Mermaids could exist. Right?

Dragons could exist, but are invisible. Right?

What is impossible to exist odin? Spotted owls with webbed feet, glowing eyes that double as ray guns and they get about on an 8 foot long penis? No, it's possible. Right?

:-P

Seriously man, you are hilarious. Not.
Actually, it's the Unicorns (flying pink ones anyway) that are invisible - the dragons just hide well.........
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Old 11th September 2013, 08:51 AM   #316
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You guys are just ignoring the evidence, Open your eyes sheeple!
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Old 11th September 2013, 08:53 AM   #317
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Originally Posted by Alareth View Post
"We have amazing evidence that will prove everything once and for all! Someday we might show it too you."

More excuses. Always excuses.

Anyone remember when CreekFreak had photographic proof of living ivory billed woodpeckers but just didn't have the money to develop the film?
I imagine that buying cans of beans for ole BF kept him broke.
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Old 11th September 2013, 09:00 AM   #318
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Originally Posted by The Shrike View Post
Many folks have reported encounters with family groups, from Albert Ostman and Muchalat Harry 100 years ago to this guy Chris from Kentucky posting in this thread.
Don't forget Melba Ketchum, and Janice Carter.
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Don't forget Melba Ketchum, and Janice Carter.
And Robin Lynne Forestsomethingorother.
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Originally Posted by Óđinn View Post
Sorry, but this is a classic example of an Appeal to Ignorance. All I'm saying is that this argument is weak and can never win a debate. I didn't make up the fallacies.
You are mistaken.

A classic appeal to ignorance is "There is no proof of X. Therefore, X is false." This is a fallacy which bears superficial similarity to the argument here, but the differences are relevant.

The argument presented here is:

If a large ape existed in North America, then it is extremely improbable
that there is no evidence for it.

There is no evidence for the existence of such an ape.

Therefore, it is improbable that such an ape exists.

That first premise is essential in understanding the argument. It is not merely that we have no proof that bigfoot exists, but also we recognize that, if he existed, it is nigh certain we would have found evidence by now.

That is why this argument is not fallacious.

Given your idiosyncratic understanding of appeal to ignorance, I'd have to admit that I don't know whether or not there is an elephant in my refrigerator. I might be tempted to think there isn't one, since I can't see it, but apparently you find such reasoning fallacious.
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