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Old 15th October 2013, 06:42 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
There's a better one of the 'giant' dragonfly on two frames of google-maps:

Frame 1
Frame 2

Zoom in on Frame 2 to see how big it seems to be. Bigger than ordinary or is it just an illusion?
Ahhh...if only you were interested in rational debate...but alas...
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2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?
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Old 15th October 2013, 08:32 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
There's a better one of the 'giant' dragonfly on two frames of google-maps:

Frame 1
Frame 2

Zoom in on Frame 2 to see how big it seems to be. Bigger than ordinary or is it just an illusion?

I've just realized that there's more than one flying winged entity. If you pan right on 'Frame 1' a blurry winged image can be seen which looks further away.
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Old 15th October 2013, 08:47 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
There's very little oxygen at 30K and it's very cold up there. Well below zero.

Yes, agreed. It shows how remarkable evolution is imv. It's oxygen efficiency must be very high. I must also generate a lot of residual heat from it's "breathing":

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Other research indicates that insects really do breathe, with "rapid cycles of tracheal compression and expansion".

Source: Meganeura


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"Insects are known to exchange respiratory gases in their system of tracheal tubes by using either diffusion or changes in internal pressure that are produced through body motion or hemolymph circulation. However, the inability to see inside living insects has limited our understanding of their respiration mechanisms. We used a synchrotron beam to obtain x-ray videos of living, breathing insects. Beetles, crickets, and ants exhibited rapid cycles of tracheal compression and expansion in the head and thorax. Body movements and hemolymph circulation cannot account for these cycles; therefore, our observations demonstrate a previously unknown mechanism of respiration in insects analogous to the inflation and deflation of vertebrate lungs."

Source: Tracheal respiration in insects visualized with synchrotron x-ray imaging

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Old 15th October 2013, 08:50 PM   #364
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Maybe another normal dragonfly. They grow 'em big in Canada, but not big enough to lift anything bigger than a prairie dog.
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Old 15th October 2013, 08:53 PM   #365
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dude wouldn't deer hooves make more sense than a giant dragonfly in the freezing cold

http://www.aviation-for-kids.com/dragonfly.html

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Old 15th October 2013, 08:56 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by truethat View Post
dude wouldn't deer hooves make more sense than a giant dragonfly in the freezing cold

Deer hooves aren't horseshoe shaped and 4 inches by 3 inches. Neither do deer walk along rooftops, jump fences and cross rivers in a perfectly straight line in a single file track all on their own.

ETA: The RC dragonfly vid was interesting. It could be used to attract UFO attention perhaps. P.S. I wouldn't advise anyone to use these at dusk.

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Old 15th October 2013, 08:58 PM   #367
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Old Scratch, himself, is starting to make more sense than our OP's giant dragonfly does, as he piles on more Rube Goldberg "features" to try to get it to operate.
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Old 15th October 2013, 09:09 PM   #370
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I don't know how much strength you need to hold on to something moving at 500mph, or to open your wings in that situation, or what the wind chill is at -35C with 500mph winds, but I don't want to find out.

I'm just glad these dragonflies apparently haven't decided to take over.
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2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?
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Here's more scientific evidence which corroborates the hypothesis:

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The rapid tracheal compression in insects signifies a previously undescribed active mechanism of respiration. We observed other respiratory mechanisms, such as abdominal pumping (4,9), autoventilation (6), and circulatory fluid motion. However, these mechanisms cannot account for the rapid changes in head and thorax volume shown by synchrotron imaging. Tracheal compression in insects functions as a mechanism of air convection much like that of vertebrate lungs. The resting lung ventilation of a human, for example, is about 10% but may reach 75% during exercise; similar values have been measured for birds (6, 12). The insects studied here with 50% tidal volume were likely respiring at high rates, perhaps similar to the rates used during exercise, stress, or flight (3,13). A second function of tracheal compression is to aid oxygen diffusion to tissues. If tracheal compression occurs with the spiracles closed, increased pressure will raise the diffusion gradient of oxygen across the tracheole-tissue boundary.

The mechanism of tracheal compression is likely driven by contraction of jaw muscles or limb muscles, causing elevated pressure inside the exoskeleton (14–17). Upon relaxation of the muscle, the tracheae expand due to the support from rings of taenidia in the tracheal wall (1) in a manner similar to recoil aspiration in air-breathing fishes (18). This mechanism implies the linking of locomotor muscles to respiration, which has been found to be widespread among animals (19).

Active tracheal breathing in the head and thorax may have played an important role in the evolution of terrestrial locomotion, running performance, and flight in insects, and it may be a prerequisite for oxygen delivery to complex sensory systems and active feeding mechanisms. Tracheal compression appears widespread but not ubiquitous among insect lineages. We observed this mechanism of active tracheal respiration in some members of diverse groups of endopterygote insects (beetles, butterflies, flies) as well as in Hemiptera (bugs), the Orthoptera (cricket), Dermaptera (earwigs), Blattodea (cockroaches), and more basal insect lineages such as Odonata (dragonflies). The spectacular diversity of insects likely includes a range of respiratory mechanisms, some of which depend on the compression and expansion of the tracheal system in a lung-like manner as the means to exchange gases with the environment.

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Old 15th October 2013, 09:19 PM   #372
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
I don't know how much strength you need to hold on to something moving at 500mph, or to open your wings in that situation, or what the wind chill is at -35C with 500mph winds, but I don't want to find out.

I'm just glad these dragonflies apparently haven't decided to take over.

Yes, they must be very impressive beasts. Their simplistic intellect, despite the ability to stimulate the right hand side of our brains which deals with negative emotions, makes me more at ease with the idea. Better than ET anyway.
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Old 15th October 2013, 09:42 PM   #374
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Originally Posted by truethat View Post

What's your point?
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Old 15th October 2013, 11:33 PM   #376
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Originally Posted by truethat View Post
So you think these things actually exist?

If so, why don't you just say so, rather than just posting YouTube links?
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Because I don't think so. Why don't you take a second and freakin' read it and you'll see the first one I posted was a motorized helicopter and this one is a KITE. Hello.


The hoof marks can be made with can stilt prints. You are seriously freakin' suggesting that I believe in giant dragonflies that fly in the snow even though I already said it wasn't possible?

Why are you asking me to post something when you obviously didn't even bother to read what I DID post.

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Originally Posted by truethat View Post
Because I don't think so. Why don't you take a second and freakin' read it and you'll see the first one I posted was a motorized helicopter and this one is a KITE. Hello.


The hoof marks can be made with can stilt prints. You are seriously freakin' suggesting that I believe in giant dragonflies that fly in the snow even though I already said it wasn't possible?

Why are you asking me to post something when you obviously didn't even bother to read what I DID post.
Because you posted links with not a word to describe or even hint what was at the other end of the link.

I didn't look at them either. I never do look at random link with no description. I think you have been here long enough to know a lot of other posters won't look at an anonymous link.
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
There's a better one of the 'giant' dragonfly on two frames of google-maps:

Frame 1
Frame 2

Zoom in on Frame 2 to see how big it seems to be. Bigger than ordinary or is it just an illusion?
Are they small or far away?
How can you tell from those pictures?

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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
Deer hooves aren't horseshoe shaped and 4 inches by 3 inches. Neither do deer walk along rooftops, jump fences and cross rivers in a perfectly straight line in a single file track all on their own.
None of the photographs is of horseshoe shaped tracks, only the drawing is. Sadly, drawings may not reflect what the artist actually sees (see Lowell's Martian canals) but what they want to see. You have not posted any evidence to support horseshoe shaped tracks.

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Are they small or far away?
How can you tell from those pictures?

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Because you posted links with not a word to describe or even hint what was at the other end of the link.

I didn't look at them either. I never do look at random link with no description. I think you have been here long enough to know a lot of other posters won't look at an anonymous link.
Then don't tell me what I'm saying. If you aren't going to bother to look at what I've posted, don't debate me on it.
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Originally Posted by Agatha View Post
None of the photographs is of horseshoe shaped tracks, only the drawing is. Sadly, drawings may not reflect what the artist actually sees (see Lowell's Martian canals) but what they want to see. You have not posted any evidence to support horseshoe shaped tracks.

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Originally Posted by Agatha View Post
None of the photographs is of horseshoe shaped tracks..

You're tediously wrong as usual I'm afraid:

Ancient legend of Satan's visit reawakened by footprints in the snow

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That doesn't look horseshoe shaped to me at all. It looks elliptical. And it's ONE print.
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Originally Posted by truethat View Post
That doesn't look horseshoe shaped to me at all. It looks elliptical. And it's ONE [distorted] print [in partially melted snow].
Just had to add a bit of pertinent detail
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Yes, they must be very impressive beasts. Their simplistic intellect, despite the ability to stimulate the right hand side of our brains which deals with negative emotions, makes me more at ease with the idea. Better than ET anyway.
This has to be one of the best responses I have ever read. Everything that makes your theory impossible merely adds to the legendary qualities that these massive hoppers have. Don't stop believing, hold on to that feeling.
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Those snow prints appear to have toe prints to the 'front' of them; which may be a feature of the melting snow but may be something which shows that the horseshoe shape is perceived only if one ignores all the features which are not present in horseshoes.

Just a giant bug, floating around in the fog
It took the midnight air to fly anywhere
Just needs a bloody meal, impossible it could be real
It took the midnight air to fly everywhere

A poster on a sceptics' site
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Add more woo ev'ry day and night
It goes on and on and on and on

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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
You're tediously wrong as usual I'm afraid:

Ancient legend of Satan's visit reawakened by footprints in the snow

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This looks like a kids set of boot prints. What's the deal? LOL
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This looks like a kids set of boot prints. What's the deal? LOL
It's possible the giganticus Anisoptera stole a pair of children's boots in order to disguise it movements. Lets add breaking and entering and petty theft to the creatures abilities.
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Alright, I've got it sorted out. The giant blood-sucking insects clasp a frozen bunny in their claspers and use it to disguise their tracks. Sometimes they'll clasp the frozen bunnies tail-first to further obscure their trails.
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
You're tediously wrong as usual I'm afraid:

Ancient legend of Satan's visit reawakened by footprints in the snow

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Had you shown me those tracks without comment I would have said "rabbit" there distorted from snow melt but I'd still say rabbit.
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That is not a giant dragonfly, it's a giant house fly.
Everyone knows that giant house flies grow to be three or four times as large as giant dragonflies.
I saw a giant housefly the other day but I can't figure out whether or not the housefly was big or I was small.
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I saw a giant housefly the other day but I can't figure out whether or not the housefly was big or I was small.
"Heyyy...are you small?"
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Had you shown me those tracks without comment I would have said "rabbit" there distorted from snow melt but I'd still say rabbit.
http://m1.i.pbase.com/g6/00/517600/2...1.LMnUz2hg.jpg
Yep, rabbit. I've seen rabbit tracks in the snow from fresh made to almost completely melted and those are rabbit tracks.
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Evolution rocks! Storing higher life forms' blood in gigantic wings is the very best way to store heat. All the extra surface area of a large flat area that beats several times a minute in the cold winter air is a wonderful way to radiate heat...erm...what?
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"Heyyy...are you small?"
No, I'm tall! I'm tall!
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Evolution rocks! Storing higher life forms' blood in gigantic wings is the very best way to store heat. All the extra surface area of a large flat area that beats several times a minute in the cold winter air is a wonderful way to radiate heat...erm...what?

The blood filled set of wings could be held permanently against the body. The other pair could be used for gliding/pumping usage. Warmth would be created from the uber-rapid tracheal compression:

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No, I'm tall! I'm tall!
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On the subject of identifiable strange tracks in the snow, I came upon this photograph below. It shows three 'toes' with a large pad and appears to make short bipedal steps.




It made me think of the humanoid insect-type seen at the river fishing incidents given in the thread some time ago. Could these be the prints of the so called 'mantis-man'?

Notice how they resemble the so called 'lizard man' tracks seen here:

Lizard Man of Scape Ore Swamp

This video of a 2011 incident shows an investigator, a former sheriff, with photos of identical vehicle damage from 1988:

Is the Lizard Man Back in Lee County?

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Old 17th October 2013, 06:50 AM   #400
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Please don't derail the dragonfly thread with Lizard Man nonsense.
If you want to discuss Lizard Man start a new thread.
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