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Old 5th October 2013, 08:24 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
Three and four foot wingspans have been reported. I'm proposing that the wings aren't used for flight in the way that an everyday dragonfly does. I'm proposing that they carry blood from their prey in the thick veins in order to increase oxygen uptake. I'm proposing that they fly effortlessly and silently by an evolved air-propulsion system of the their all-the-way-through trachea tubes.
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I've deduced that they attack big prey intermittently to acquire a blood supply used for their heightened oxygen uptake.

Whether they also use this source for food is questionable. I even have suspicions that they may have evolved the cultivating of a fungus to sustain themselves and that mega-giant-dragonflies have an entourage of smaller ones in a unique multi-symbiosis.

I got the idea from the leaf cutter ant evolution coupled with a UFO eyewitness reporting that glitter-like swarms descended to a particular tree and then ascended afterwards to a large brightly lit UFO.

It would also fit with the 'Angel Hair' phenomenon and "mana from heaven".

Here's the lady talking about the glitter-like 'swarm' descending to a tree in her back garden.


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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
Three and four foot wingspans have been reported. I'm proposing that the wings aren't used for flight in the way that an everyday dragonfly does. I'm proposing that they carry blood from their prey in the thick veins in order to increase oxygen uptake. I'm proposing that they fly effortlessly and silently by an evolved air-propulsion system of the their all-the-way-through trachea tubes.
Wait, what??? Are you claiming they're jet-powered? Or are you suggesting fart propulsion? Now we have a giant warm-blooded blood-sucking jet/fart-propelled pogo-hopping dragonfly!

You're either a Poe or a loony.
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
Okay, thanks for the sensible post. You now need to identify a UK animal which leaves horseshoe concave tracks in the snow which measure around "four inches long, three inches across".
Snow has a tendency to deform tracks, so it might not even be hooves. So it could be any manner of creature.

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P.S. the tracks have also been found in soft earth and sand which refutes the suggestion that the snow has deformed the size and shape.
Soil erosion.
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Wait, what??? Are you claiming they're jet-powered? Or are you suggesting fart propulsion? Now we have a giant warm-blooded blood-sucking jet/fart-propelled pogo-hopping dragonfly!

You're either a Poe or a loony.

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Here's a cocktail napkin quality illustration I did of "Pogomofo", just moments ago...


I think it clearly demonstrates this creature is perfectly plausible.
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Please allow Alan Lowey to continue. We can all learn, and that seem a good idea.
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Originally Posted by Ketyk View Post
Please allow Alan Lowey to continue. We can all learn, and that seem a good idea.
Thanks Ketyk. I've just about said it all. I'm pleased with Mike's illustration. Excellent first rendition of proposal for the making of the so called Devil's Footprints.
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
Thanks Ketyk. I've just about said it all.
You haven't said why you're so determined to believe a particular fantastical explanation of these tracks when there is no objective evidence for it, and more plausible explanations have been suggested.
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Old 6th October 2013, 01:36 AM   #130
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Here's a cocktail napkin quality illustration I did of "Pogomofo", just moments ago...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...pictureid=8243

I think it clearly demonstrates this creature is perfectly plausible.
Excellent work Mike! That's what I'm suggesting, yes. Bizarre beyond bizarre, I know. Funny thing is, the hypothesis happens to fit all known evidence.

Oh, I've just thought of one more thing. Nessie and the like are the nymphs and larvae of these giant Dragonflies. The females lay the eggs deep in the silty bottoms. The Mongolian Death Worm is another type of larvae but the eggs are buried deep into the sand in remote locations.

These sand-laid eggs are a feasibility for science to locate by use of large area ground penetrating radar.
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You haven't said why you're so determined to believe a particular fantastical explanation of these tracks when there is no objective evidence for it, and more plausible explanations have been suggested.
What are suggesting makes the four inches by three inches concave horseshoe shaped single tracks?
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Okay, here's a video of the actual critter. It shows that the insectoid is actually round bodied, a product of all-the-way-through trachea tube evolution. Keep watching until the end. It's shakey as hell, I know, but stay with it. You can see the large antenna stand to attention. It hovers just above the ground. It's abdomen curls towards the ground and it spreads it's translucent wings:


El duende REAL supernatural being Argentina
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
What are suggesting makes the four inches by three inches concave horseshoe shaped single tracks ?
You're assuming that they really are "four inches by three inches concave horseshoe shaped single tracks". Other possibilities have been suggested.

People misinterpret what their senses tell them all the time. See the real explanation of the supposedly weird dragonfly in the video you yourself posted earlier for an example.
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
Three and four foot wingspans have been reported. I'm proposing that the wings aren't used for flight in the way that an everyday dragonfly does. I'm proposing that they carry blood from their prey in the thick veins in order to increase oxygen uptake. I'm proposing that they fly effortlessly and silently by an evolved air-propulsion system of the their all-the-way-through trachea tubes.
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It's called making a hypothesis. Something that is just about possible which fits all the available evidence.
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This analysis would fit with the cattle mutilation phenomenon.
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Just keep to the topic in hand please. The cattle mutilation phenomenon is very real and in Brazil it has even spread to human beings.

UFO-Related Homicide in Brazil: The Complete Story [from International UFO Magazine]


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I've deduced that they attack big prey intermittently to acquire a blood supply used for their heightened oxygen uptake.

Whether they also use this source for food is questionable. I even have suspicions that they may have evolved the cultivating of a fungus to sustain themselves and that mega-giant-dragonflies have an entourage of smaller ones in a unique multi-symbiosis.

I got the idea from the leaf cutter ant evolution coupled with a UFO eyewitness reporting that glitter-like swarms descended to a particular tree and then ascended afterwards to a large brightly lit UFO.

It would also fit with the 'Angel Hair' phenomenon and "mana from heaven".
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Excellent work Mike! That's what I'm suggesting, yes. Bizarre beyond bizarre, I know. Funny thing is, the hypothesis happens to fit all known evidence.

Oh, I've just thought of one more thing. Nessie and the like are the nymphs and larvae of these giant Dragonflies. The females lay the eggs deep in the silty bottoms. The Mongolian Death Worm is another type of larvae but the eggs are buried deep into the sand in remote locations.

These sand-laid eggs are a feasibility for science to locate by use of large area ground penetrating radar.
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Okay, here's a video of the actual critter. It shows that the insectoid is actually round bodied, a product of all-the-way-through trachea tube evolution. Keep watching until the end. It's shakey as hell, I know, but stay with it. You can see the large antenna stand to attention. It hovers just above the ground. It's abdomen curls towards the ground and it spreads it's translucent wings:


El duende REAL supernatural being Argentina

GOOBY Stahp !1!!11
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
Okay, here's a video of the actual critter. It shows that the insectoid is actually round bodied, a product of all-the-way-through trachea tube evolution. Keep watching until the end. It's shakey as hell, I know, but stay with it. You can see the large antenna stand to attention. It hovers just above the ground. It's abdomen curls towards the ground and it spreads it's translucent wings:


El duende REAL supernatural being Argentina
You really think yet another blurry, shaky video, this time probably of a chicken, is going to help your case?

FYI Devon is crawling with naturalists, both amateur and professional. If this thing existed there would live examples in zoos and dead ones in the Natural History Museum. Good quality photos and videos would be available. The BBC's Natural History Unit, based less than 2 hours drive away in Bristol, would have made documentaries about it (these guys think nothing of camping for months in the jungle in order to get film of the rarest and shyest of creatures, you really think they would have missed something like this right on their doorstep?). Tourism is Devon's biggest industry, there would be tours to see the thing in its natural habitat and I would certainly have gone on them during my many holidays in the county.
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Thanks Ketyk. I've just about said it all. I'm pleased with Mike's illustration. Excellent first rendition of proposal for the making of the so called Devil's Footprints.

And surely goes to show how much of a Poe/satire this thread actually is.
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And surely goes to show how much of a Poe/satire this thread actually is.
I always like to give new guys the benefit of the doubt, but I think you're right.
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The picture you chose to show from that page is clearly a bird in flight, possibly a duck but too blurry to be sure.

The others on that page exhibit poor photography skills, being comprised of artefacts from dirty lenses and out of focus birds.

As for the text on that page, it displays the usual woo thinking that altitude, range and size can be determined by eye alone without any possibility of error.
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You're assuming that they really are "four inches by three inches concave horseshoe shaped single tracks". Other possibilities have been suggested.

People misinterpret what their senses tell them all the time.

No, you're wrong. This video of the tracks being analyzed and measured by a member of the CFZ confirms the description of the 1855 Devon incident exactly:


THE CFZ INVESTIGATES: Mysterious footprints in Woolsery
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You really think yet another blurry, shaky video, this time probably of a chicken, is going to help your case?

FYI Devon is crawling with naturalists, both amateur and professional. If this thing existed there would live examples in zoos and dead ones in the Natural History Museum. Good quality photos and videos would be available. The BBC's Natural History Unit, based less than 2 hours drive away in Bristol, would have made documentaries about it (these guys think nothing of camping for months in the jungle in order to get film of the rarest and shyest of creatures, you really think they would have missed something like this right on their doorstep?). Tourism is Devon's biggest industry, there would be tours to see the thing in its natural habitat and I would certainly have gone on them during my many holidays in the county.

They are too fast to be filmed easily. They fly faster than the eye can see. They have super-insect-senses. They are very sensitive and will try to evade a situation if possible. There will be examples open to science soon, but they can be very dangerous too and have a psychic ability to induce paralysis in humans. It's a tricky job to catch one.

My suggestion would be to create an underground den site with an entrance only easily accessible from the air. A clever trap system would have to be initially installed of course. It could be done..
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The picture you chose to show from that page is clearly a bird in flight, possibly a duck but too blurry to be sure.

The others on that page exhibit poor photography skills, being comprised of artefacts from dirty lenses and out of focus birds.

As for the text on that page, it displays the usual woo thinking that altitude, range and size can be determined by eye alone without any possibility of error.

The wings are the wrong shape for a duck or any other bird. These can be seen to get much wider towards the tip.
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GOOBY Stahp !1!!11

Here's a luminous version where the shape of the wings and the way they flap is the same as the Argentinian duende video. Go to time=0.50 secs and see the head moving back and forth as well as the characteristic wing movements:

Strange Luminous Image Caught ON CCTV
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Here's a cocktail napkin quality illustration I did of "Pogomofo", just moments ago...

I think it clearly demonstrates this creature is perfectly plausible.


That is just hilarious. That has to be the funniest pic I've ever seen. It's a pity that we don't have a Picture Awards like the Language Awards as I'd nominate that in a heartbeat.
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It's not as if Devon is a huge wilderness.
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That is just hilarious. That has to be the funniest pic I've ever seen. It's a pity that we don't have a Picture Awards like the Language Awards as I'd nominate that in a heartbeat.

I nominated it for the words alone. Nice sketch too of course.
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It's not as if Devon is a huge wilderness.

You're right. It takes a bit of getting used to. They're everywhere. They are adept at keeping hidden. They can appear as luminous orbs which disguises their identity. They fly at night. They fly faster than the eye can see. When people do report an encounter, they get derided, which puts off others from reporting similar incidents.
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Alan Lowey is "having a wind up" with us. Thread should be moved to Humor.
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No, you're wrong. This video of the tracks being analyzed and measured by a member of the CFZ confirms the description of the 1855 Devon incident exactly:


THE CFZ INVESTIGATES: Mysterious footprints in Woolsery
Why are you posting this again? We've already shown you that these are rabbit prints.

Oh, I see now.....

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Alan Lowey is "having a wind up" with us. Thread should be moved to Humor.
Have you ever been to Devon, Alan?
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Originally Posted by Alan Lowey View Post
Here's a luminous version where the shape of the wings and the way they flap is the same as the Argentinian duende video. Go to time=0.50 secs and see the head moving back and forth as well as the characteristic wing movements:

Strange Luminous Image Caught ON CCTV
You told us earlier that they don't use their wings for propulsion. So which is it? Do they flap their wings or not?
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That is just hilarious. That has to be the funniest pic I've ever seen. It's a pity that we don't have a Picture Awards like the Language Awards as I'd nominate that in a heartbeat.
Oh, go ahead and nominate it, a picture is still worth one thousand words, even in todays economy. And it's not like I ever win anyway.
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Oh go ahead and nom it, it's not like I ever win anyway.
There are some anatomical issues to be worked out:
where are the "all the way through" tracheas, making the body round?
where are the blood storage vessels in the wings?
where are the cattle-mutilating nasty sharp teeth?
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Three and four foot wingspans have been reported. I'm proposing that the wings aren't used for flight in the way that an everyday dragonfly does. I'm proposing that they carry blood from their prey in the thick veins in order to increase oxygen uptake. I'm proposing that they fly effortlessly and silently by an evolved air-propulsion system of the their all-the-way-through trachea tubes.
It's great that 4' wingspans have been reported but that doesn't answer my question. The questions was, How large would a dragonfly need to be to leave those tracks?
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It's great that 4' wingspans have been reported but that doesn't answer my question. The questions was, How large would a dragonfly need to be to leave those tracks?
Utterly gigantic I would say. And precisely where this mysterious dragonfly came from, the OP hasn't explained. Or it's motives for doing a punk-rock dance (the pogo) on someone's lawn.
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There are some anatomical issues to be worked out:
where are the "all the way through" tracheas, making the body round?
where are the blood storage vessels in the wings?
where are the cattle-mutilating nasty sharp teeth?
How do they not tear up their fragile wings flying through the forests?
Don't you think evolution would dictate blood storage in the wings would never happen? You're thinking of a 767.
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Old 6th October 2013, 07:02 AM   #155
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How do they not tear up their fragile wings flying through the forests?
Don't you think evolution would dictate blood storage in the wings would never happen? You're thinking of a 767.
There you go - it was the ghost of a crashed B767 that travelled back in time and danced upon it's tail somewhere in Devon. It's equally as plausible as this proposed dragonfly.
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There are some anatomical issues to be worked out:
where are the "all the way through" tracheas, making the body round?
where are the blood storage vessels in the wings?
where are the cattle-mutilating nasty sharp teeth?
What part of "cocktail napkin quality" escaped you? I'll flesh out all those minor details on the final blueprint.
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You told us earlier that they don't use their wings for propulsion. So which is it? Do they flap their wings or not?

The principle mode of flight is via the air-propulsion system, as evident from the eyewitness account at 30,000ft. He said the wings flapped slowly, which is similarly reported in other accounts compared to it's speed.

I'm assuming the wings flap in order to pump extra blood to the all-the-way-through trachea tubes. If the critter requires a surge of energy, then it flaps it's wings for an oxygen boost.


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I've just remembered another photo of the plump-looking insect UFO flying at low speed. You can see the translucent wings behind it.

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The questions was, How large would a dragonfly need to be to leave those tracks?
Full disclosure, I'm not an entomologist. But if those dimensions are just the creature's tail clasp than probably large enough to be a threat towards children or the elderly.

If this thing actually existed it almost certainly would have been hunted down and we would have specimens.
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It's great that 4' wingspans have been reported but that doesn't answer my question. The questions was, How large would a dragonfly need to be to leave those tracks?

We can see now that the bodies of the Dragonfly-like insectoids are more acorn shaped with large heads. This would mean that the male clasper would be relatively larger than the modern day dragonfly equivalent. It would still be a large creature to leave a 4inch by 3inch track. The wingspan of these types doesn't have quite the same meaning as in the bird species. But I'd guess at a 4ft tall entity if upright with a translucent curved wingspan of 5-6ft if they are spread out. Something like that.

From the Argentinian duende video the entity appears to stretch out it's tail section towards the ground when it opens it's wings.

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Utterly gigantic I would say. And precisely where this mysterious dragonfly came from, the OP hasn't explained. Or it's motives for doing a punk-rock dance (the pogo) on someone's lawn.

I'm proposing that the females migrate to sunnier climates during the UK winter, possibly south east Africa aka the Drakensberg Mountains. The males stay to defend their territory and den sites. If the males compete with one another then they could become injured or exhausted and unable to achieve normal flight home or be displaced by a newcomer altogether. This is when the tracks are made; the male is simply too exhausted to fly to safety in the normal way before sunrise.

An unexpected snowfall would exacerbate the effect and reveal their insect-navigated straight path to familiar safety.
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