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Old 8th February 2019, 12:15 AM   #1
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Thailand General Election - It Just Got Interesting- Let's Hope Not Bloody

The new-branding of the Thaksin party (formerly Pheu Thai), the Thai Raksa Chart party has just named the current King's sister (daughter of our "sainted" deceased king) as their candidate for PM.

This makes things marvelously complicated. First of all, the big support for the military junta (aside from the self-serving officer corps) is Royalists - the famed "yellow shirts" who with the military's help brought down Shinawatra II in 2014.

Alas, the general has made himself a problem. His NCPO (National Council for Peace and Order) has strengthened Lese Majeste laws and has jailed numerous people for criticism of royalty, now he has to run against a member of royalty! All he can do is blow his own horn. If he says one word against the other candidate there will be cops ready willing and able to arrest him. Seriously. The police are a branch of the military and are Thaksin supporters.

When the momentary humor wears off, this is a very dangerous situation.
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Old 8th February 2019, 12:25 AM   #2
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Old 8th February 2019, 12:31 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Stay safe.
Oh, I'm not allowed (promise to my wife) to attend political rallies once they get going. My wife has to go home to vote, but that's in Red Shirt country, so not much chance of having to storm or defend the barricades.The heavy action, if any, will be in Bangkok.

Forgot to post the link for the OP.


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/08/a...ntl/index.html
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Old 8th February 2019, 01:12 AM   #4
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Yeah, seriously, stay safe, keep your head down.

I'm sure that it goes without saying that you don't ever wear a red or a yellow shirt.
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Old 8th February 2019, 04:33 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Yeah, seriously, stay safe, keep your head down.

I'm sure that it goes without saying that you don't ever wear a red or a yellow shirt.
Well, I normally do (red) just to taunt some of the creepy elitist ex-pats here. Out in the cities, because all political demonstrations have been banned for almost five years, it wasn't hitherto significant. With the election coming, though, our Chinese New Year shirts (everyone has at least a couple, in red) get put away.
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Old 8th February 2019, 04:40 AM   #6
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A cunning move... Any ideas on the motivations of the princess? Consolidating the power of the royal family by uniting the red and yellow shirt factions against the junta?
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Old 8th February 2019, 05:48 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Stay safe.
+1 to that.
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Old 8th February 2019, 09:46 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
A cunning move... Any ideas on the motivations of the princess? Consolidating the power of the royal family by uniting the red and yellow shirt factions against the junta?
Well, the speculation this morning was that he must have given it an informal nod of approval but he's evidently issued a statement saying that her running for office runs counter to the traditions of the country, even questioning the constitutional legality.

The press here has been horrible. They are afraid of their own shadows so the only stories they publish are about the claims and counter-claims that the political parties are flinging at each other. Reporting the words of others removes them from the line of fire of the censors, so there are stories about how the prominent party members are reacting but nothing from the news bureau doing the digging on their own. I had to get the King's statement from news outside the country!
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Old 9th February 2019, 12:28 AM   #9
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With the king now having blocked her candidacy - or rather, ordering the party to block her candidacy, I guess normal service has been resumed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...moving-forward
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
With the king now having blocked her candidacy - or rather, ordering the party to block her candidacy, I guess normal service has been resumed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...moving-forward
Yeah, it's turned into a family soap opera. Thai Raksa Chart withdrew their invitation to her to run as PM but she simply played "noblesse oblige" and did a short burst of social media stuff (quoted in your linked article) but didn't even bother to acknowledge that she was or was not a candidate for office.

Not sure what sort of impact her moves may have. On the hand, she managed to insinuate that the TRC has friends in high places, and that probably detracts from our tinpot dictator's votes. On the other... it may just appear to have been a publicity stunt while TRC figures out who to stand for P.M.
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Old 9th February 2019, 11:21 AM   #11
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Well, the speculation this morning was that he must have given it an informal nod of approval but he's evidently issued a statement saying that her running for office runs counter to the traditions of the country, even questioning the constitutional legality.

The press here has been horrible. They are afraid of their own shadows so the only stories they publish are about the claims and counter-claims that the political parties are flinging at each other. Reporting the words of others removes them from the line of fire of the censors, so there are stories about how the prominent party members are reacting but nothing from the news bureau doing the digging on their own. I had to get the King's statement from news outside the country!

Sexist ****.
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Sexist ****.
No. Criticism of the royal family is not allowed.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Sexist ****.
What the hell are you on about? The males in the royal family are also forbidden from holding political positions.

The king is talking about the constitution and tradition. His sister is claiming that she renounced her titles and is thus an ordinary citizen but she's still at many events the include members of the royal family.

The larger problem was going to be the lese majeste laws. The current government has prosecuted people for offending the monarchy simply because they spoke in opposition to government decrees that had the royal nod. All laws and decrees ultimately get the royal approval as they can't be formalized, otherwise. By this logic applied by the junta and their NCPO, therefore, any legit criticism of any act of the government can be considered a lese majeste violation.

How can you run against someone who has the immediately enforceable "Enemy of the People" dictum on their side? Whether it's a female or a male is not germane to the issue.
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Considering lèse-majesté laws in Thailand, I don't see how democracy could prevail with a royal running for election.

Which is sort of a shame. She looked like a better candidate than most.

And the upcoming election isn't that democratic anyway. The current junta general posing as prime minister and his party has been allowed to campaign while any other politician or party has been banned from doing so until recently.
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Considering lèse-majesté laws in Thailand, I don't see how democracy could prevail with a royal running for election.

Which is sort of a shame. She looked like a better candidate than most.

And the upcoming election isn't that democratic anyway. The current junta general posing as prime minister and his party has been allowed to campaign while any other politician or party has been banned from doing so until recently.
I'm always tempted to start threads with the latest quotes from our P.M. because they're virtually indiscernible from what Trump would say. When asked if he might step down as P.M. and let someone else take over because he was running for the election his response was "No. Who's better suited to run things than me?"

The junta changed nothing about Thai politics. They've been campaigning for the past year. He personally delivers news to outlying provinces about government largesse for their farmers or businesses. A simple notice from the government wouldn't do. And it's often the first anyone has heard of this new program - when he announces it in the hustings. Not to mention that his and the yellow shirts complaints was that Thaksin and his sister and the Pheu Thai Party were using government programs to buy votes. He just continues the same bribery but in his own name, so that's just fine.... after all, who's better suited to run things?
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So apparently that problem just went away.

Originally Posted by AFP
The princess was disqualified as a prime ministerial candidate by the Election Commission on Monday, which cited the royal command. It is now discussing whether to refer Thai Raksa Chart to the consitutional court for dissolution.

In an Instagram post late Tuesday the 67-year-old princess apologised for her role in the drama.
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The police now wants to prosecute the leader of the progressive Future Forward Party for criticising the ruling military junta.

What a sham of an election.
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Welp, that escalated quickly. The Thai Save the Nation Party, which blocked the princess from running in the election, has been dissolved by Thailand's constitutional court.
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Welp, that escalated quickly. The Thai Save the Nation Party, which blocked the princess from running in the election, has been dissolved by Thailand's constitutional court.
Welcome to Thai democracy.

Meanwhile, charges are brought against the leaders of the popular progressive Future Forward Party for criticising the ruling junta online, a computer crime!

Also, the sitting PM, head of the military junta, is running for PM but has decided he won't be attending debates, because he doesn't need to. I assume in Thailand this makes sense. This means, unfortunately, that he can't be asked hard questions by his opponents, but those are the breaks.

ETA: Sources:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN1LX0IC

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/deta...itics/30364840

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