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Old 5th December 2018, 11:23 AM   #41
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Here's an interesting article on how Facebook's new "emphasize local news" algorithm resulted in the riots in France:

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So, in less than two weeks, what you end up with is this: A Change.org petition with fewer than 1,500 subscribers gets talked about on a local radio station. The radio appearance is written up by a local news site. The article is shared to a local Facebook page. Thanks to an algorithm change that is now emphasizing local discussion, the article dominates the conversation in a small town. Two men from the same suburb then turn the petition into a Facebook event. A duplicate petition goes viral within the local Facebook groups. Then a daily newspaper writes up the original petition. This second article about the petition also goes viral. So does the original petition. And then the rest of French media follows.

Ludosky’s petition now has over a million signatures.
The article also notes that there's a lot of conspiracy kooks trying to get out in front of the parade:

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Anger Groups have always been huge hubs for fake news and general fringe-internet nonsense. The newfound national attention is making things even worse. According to the about page for “Citizens in Anger,” its true goal is to defend France against a Masonic cabal of global bankers who control France. It currently has 15,000 members.
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Old 5th December 2018, 04:37 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Here's an interesting article on how Facebook's new "emphasize local news" algorithm resulted in the riots in France:



The article also notes that there's a lot of conspiracy kooks trying to get out in front of the parade:
That's gotta be one of the most pathetic attempts at discrediting a social movement I've seen so far, and that's quite the achievement. Maybe Putin did it? Better make sure to crank up the Facebook censorship some more just to be sure. Anyway, as Emma Goldman said, if I can't dance to it it's not my revolution
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Old 7th December 2018, 08:55 AM   #43
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^ The funny thing about their ridiculous propaganda is that there's virtually nobody who believes it.

For tomorrow's fourth round of protests, the police union has called for a strike in solidarity with the movement, which could mean that the vicious CRS "riot police" will lack logistical support. Meanwhile, reports on social media suggest that the gov plans to send in the army.

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Old 7th December 2018, 02:03 PM   #44
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There are horrible accounts coming out of Paris through the twitter account of little 7 years old girl Benoîte Abedoux. Seems like Macron is gassing his own people!
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Our good old friend Luke Rudkowski asked if he should go to Paris or if this has died off, and we convinced him to go, so there he is on the ground, will livestream tomorrow and has just published this interview which underscores the impression that there seems to be something in the air:

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Old 7th December 2018, 04:47 PM   #46
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^ The funny thing about their ridiculous propaganda is that there's virtually nobody who believes it.
Yeah, there are literally hundreds and hundreds of groups and pages on facebook about the Yellow Vests (anyone can make such groups after all), the fact that the author had to cherry-pick some minor group (about 15k members, the larger groups have hundreds of thousands of members, one even has over a million) to be able to find some dirt to throw around says more than enough.

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There are horrible accounts coming out of Paris through the twitter account of little 7 years old girl Benoîte Abedoux. Seems like Macron is gassing his own people!
Brilliant! Especially the BellingDog account
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Old 7th December 2018, 05:35 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Here's an interesting article on how Facebook's new "emphasize local news" algorithm resulted in the riots in France:



The article also notes that there's a lot of conspiracy kooks trying to get out in front of the parade:
Quoting a superior source re: French labor/ruler problems , I believe the most used phrase to be "We fart in your general direction!!!!!"
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Old 7th December 2018, 05:59 PM   #48
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Quoting a superior source re: French labor/ruler problems , I believe the most used phrase to be "We fart in your general direction!!!!!"
Superior source?! Just a 5 second search on facebook for Gillet Jaunes groups would have shown that 1) there are hundreds of these and 2) many of the larger ones have an order of magnitude larger membership than the one chosen, easily leading to the conclusion that the author is cherry-picking.

Furthermore some other evidence they provide is that somewhere, someone in a yellow vest was spreading a conspiracy theory. There are hundreds of thousands of protesters in yellow vests, so of course you're always going to find at least some to support whatever view you want.

And as for facebook comments that are supposedly "filled" with conspiracy theories, the larger groups have 10k posts per day (probably more but apparently the counter stops at 10k) each of which having about 100 comments or so. That's hundreds of thousands of comments per day in even just a single one such group, so of course you're going to be able to find some to support whatever view you want. I watched over 100 posts in the largest group pass by as a test, and not a single one was conspiracist.

Yeah I'm sure such easily-debunked clowns are "superior sources". I stand by my first assessment, the only appropriate term for this is pathetic.
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Old 8th December 2018, 02:44 AM   #49
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So have these guys come up with some kind of manifesto yet?

Because if not, this will peter out like Occupy. Sane people will go back their lives, the crazies will stay and damage the image of the movement in the eyes of the general public. Support wanes, the end.
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Old 8th December 2018, 03:10 AM   #51
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So have these guys come up with some kind of manifesto yet?

As there's no official leadership, there's no official manifesto. But several from groups associated with the protests. What you hear in the streets on the videos now is mostly "Macron resign".
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
As there's no official leadership, there's no official manifesto. But several from groups associated with the protests. What you hear in the streets on the videos now is mostly "Macron resign".


France voted for this dude. Anyone with half a brain could see he was the status quo repackaged. America went the other way and voted populist. They're both screwed. I'm starting to think there are no good options left. FN would have been a disaster.


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France voted for this dude. Anyone with half a brain could see he was the status quo repackaged.

He got elected for the sole reason that many people didn't bring it over themselves to vote for Le Pen. And they had to create a whole circus around him with his own "movement" to get there, with enormous propaganda effort. While all status quo parties in old package crumbled.

His puppet masters could have actually analyzed the situation and realized that they better at least pretend to listen to the people, as this was the very last trick they had in their handbook. But they were too arrogant.

Now the game is up.

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He got elected for the sole reason that many people didn't bring it over themselves to vote for Le Pen. And they had to create a whole circus around him with his own "movement" to get there, with enormous propaganda effort. While all status quo parties in old package crumbled.

Now the game is up.
Yup. The French, and Europeans in general, have been thoroughly brainwashed to think anything labeled "right wing" is automatically the super villain that must be defeated. The French elected the fantasies of this childless man instead of accepting hard truths. Hard truths like what the Americans have been telling Europeans for years--their cushy welfare states are not sustainable. Moreso while trying to establish a multicultural fantasyland.
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Hard truths like what the Americans have been telling Europeans for years--their cushy welfare states are not sustainable.

That's what Macron is telling the French people on behalf of international capital, not the other way around.
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That international capital (watch the anti-semitism please) is telling the French people on behalf of Macron.
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Old 8th December 2018, 01:26 PM   #57
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So have these guys come up with some kind of manifesto yet?

Because if not, this will peter out like Occupy. Sane people will go back their lives, the crazies will stay and damage the image of the movement in the eyes of the general public. Support wanes, the end.
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As there's no official leadership, there's no official manifesto. But several from groups associated with the protests. What you hear in the streets on the videos now is mostly "Macron resign".
There was a poll in one of the larger facebook groups with about 30k people for the resignation of Macron and the government and about 1k people against. This hasn't been about fuel prices since those very first, small protests that set the entire thing in motion, the resignation of Macron and the government seems to be the "consensus minimum program" with up to a not insignificant number of people calling for the installation of a direct democracy (and hence the abolition, at least in part, of the current republic).
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(watch the anti-semitism please)

I see it. "International capital" is synonymous with "da Jooos" in your mind, and therefore it can't be mentioned in some strange turn of events. In reality, the force that brought 41 years old Macron into leading France is indeed "Jewish", namely the Rothschild family as you can even get hinted to on wikipedia. Which is a family/dynasty, not a tribe or a religion. All other Jews have nothing to do with it per se, and it doesn't matter that they "are Jews" for the topic we are discussing.
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Which is a family/dynasty, not a tribe or a religion. All other Jews have nothing to do with it per se, and it doesn't matter that they "are Jews" for the topic we are discussing.
The French disagree.


Translation: "Macron Whore of Jews"
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The French disagree.

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Translation: "Macron Whore of Jews"

In the same way that the Rothschild family aren't "da Jooos", the guys who put up this banner (assuming that it's even genuine) aren't "the French".
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Translation:
1) Put 150 schoolchildren on their knees to arrest them.
2) Film it and distribute the video to instill fear in the rest and discourage them.
3) Monday most of the highschools in the country are blocked.
4) Idem.

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Yeah, go after their kids, that'll calm the situation...
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Macron and his pedophile wife don't have kids so it's not surprising he miscalculated the reactions.
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Maybe Putin did it?
Called it. When it's too nutty for the mainstream press and for Bellingcat (which recently has taken on a more professional persona and stopped doing the outright too-nutty stuff) then who you gonna call? PropOrNot!
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When it's too nutty for the mainstream press
It appears I was wrong.
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It appears I was wrong.
Anti-Russian canards are popular with skeptics (sic) on this forum also. Many members, including me, are constantly being accused of being on Kremlin's payroll. I could've swore these people were against bigotry.
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Macron thanked his CRS for their courage today. How very courageous... How courageous indeed.
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Better make sure to crank up the Facebook censorship some more just to be sure.
Called it. The larger facebook groups have been shadow banned (ie not appearing in the search results anymore) even though they're still around and active.
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Quoting a superior source re: French labor/ruler problems , I believe the most used phrase to be "We fart in your general direction!!!!!"
From your response to that quote I must assume you are unfamiliar with Monty Python...………..
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From your response to that quote I must assume you are unfamiliar with Monty Python...………..
I am quite familiar with it and I got the joke, I was merely disputing your characterization of the Buzzfeed article as a superior source. Especially since it takes like 5 seconds to debunk it - or at least it did before the shadow banning, now you'd have to have direct links since the search results don't show the larger groups anymore.
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The French just like to protest - even though much like Occupy Wall Street, they don't really have any fixable grievances.
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The French just like to protest - even though much like Occupy Wall Street, they don't really have any fixable grievances.
The proposed fuel tax was a pretty fixable grievance.
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The proposed fuel tax was a pretty fixable grievance.
These riots are about more than diesel tax. The French, and Europeans in general, are tired of their infertile leaders telling them they have to share their much sought-after welfare gibs with an increasing number of Somalis and Pakistanis.
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There are horrible accounts coming out of Paris through the twitter account of little 7 years old girl Benoîte Abedoux. Seems like Macron is gassing his own people!
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Called it. When it's too nutty for the mainstream press and for Bellingcat (which recently has taken on a more professional persona and stopped doing the outright too-nutty stuff) then who you gonna call? PropOrNot!
I can't believe PropOrNot is still around. It's hard to tell if those folks are just stupid or intentionally malicious.
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Old 10th December 2018, 09:55 PM   #75
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I can't believe PropOrNot is still around. It's hard to tell if those folks are just stupid or intentionally malicious.
As per the linked source, they claim they need to remain anonymous because an elite hacking group of government conspirators is out to get them to stop them from telling The TruthTM about the government's nefarious conspiracies. In reality of course, as is usually the case with such people, it only takes a person with beginner-level hacking skills to overcome their defensive measures and figure out who they are - and the answer to your question is: intentionally malicious.
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Old 10th December 2018, 10:25 PM   #76
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The suspected author of L'insurrection qui vient has been preventively arrested. The tally after Acte IV last saturday is now about 3300 people taken in mass arrests, over 1000 injured and 2 killed or in coma. The popularity of the protesters keeps going up whilst Macron's keeps falling, and judging[*] by the number of people interested in the various events on facebook Acte V next saturday will be bigger than the last.

* In the previous Acte IV the turnout was about 5x-10x that of the number of people in the facebook events.
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Old 10th December 2018, 10:53 PM   #77
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
As per the linked source, they claim they need to remain anonymous because an elite hacking group of government conspirators is out to get them to stop them from telling The TruthTM about the government's nefarious conspiracies. In reality of course, as is usually the case with such people, it only takes a person with beginner-level hacking skills to overcome their defensive measures and figure out who they are - and the answer to your question is: intentionally malicious.
The Atlantic Council? I had no idea their propaganda could be so crude, transparent, and primitive.
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The Atlantic Council? I had no idea their propaganda could be so crude, transparent, and primitive.

The Atlantic Council is the epitome of absurd "Western" propaganda lately, having all the clowns "that matter" on their payroll, including Heliot Biggins from Bellingdog...

So Macron held a speech to La Nation yesterday evening, saying mea culpa and promising social benefit goodies worth ten billion euros, the source of which yet undeclared. This is remarkable and a sign for everybody who thought taking it to the streets is futile. If you got the French's stamina...
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I see this thread has gone south with bickering between the neo fascists and the neo Marxist.
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I see Captain America doesn't like where this is going.
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