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Old 14th March 2019, 01:36 AM   #841
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Old 14th March 2019, 04:26 PM   #842
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Means almost nothing. Keating was unpopular yet won “unwinnable” elections. Well one anyway. Shorten is less popular than Morrison, yet will win. Popularity means little. Perceived competence beats it hands down.

This election can be won by Labor in Victoria alone. It is now Labor’s stronghold. Getting rid of Shorten, which will not happen in any case, would lose Victoria and maybe the nation.
Right, and don't forget that most of us aren't going to be voting for Shorten. We're going to be voting for whoever is standing in our electorates. If enough of us vote for a Labor candidate, then Shorten will be PM. And that's going to happen.

I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but it seems to be being missed.
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Old 16th March 2019, 07:48 PM   #843
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They should spare everyone the angst. Just schedule every House of Reps member to be PM for one week only. Then EVERYONE gets to be PM!
(looks confused)
I thought we were already doing that?????

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Old 16th March 2019, 07:55 PM   #844
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Right, and don't forget that most of us aren't going to be voting for Shorten. We're going to be voting for whoever is standing in our electorates. If enough of us vote for a Labor candidate, then Shorten will be PM. And that's going to happen.

I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but it seems to be being missed.
Yes I understand you. I think preferences will flood to Labor. The only risk is if a heap of rightish independents, like Abbott’s opponent, get up and support the LNP from the cross bench. Can’t see that.
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Old 16th March 2019, 08:22 PM   #845
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Originally Posted by Dabop View Post
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I thought we were already doing that?????

OK. That really made me laugh.

Things are so confused in the Liberal party at the moment, they're stabbing each other in the FRONT!
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Old 17th March 2019, 07:34 PM   #846
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Right, and don't forget that most of us aren't going to be voting for Shorten. We're going to be voting for whoever is standing in our electorates. If enough of us vote for a Labor candidate, then Shorten will be PM. And that's going to happen.

I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but it seems to be being missed.

Wouldn't it be great if the good people of Maribyrnong were to vote Shorty out of office with a landslide victory to Labor elsewhere. I know, I know, I'm a dreamer.
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Old 17th March 2019, 07:36 PM   #847
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Wouldn't it be great if the good people of Maribyrnong were to vote Shorty out of office with a landslide victory to Labor elsewhere. I know, I know, I'm a dreamer.
Prime Minister Wong. That has a good ring to it.
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Old 17th March 2019, 08:11 PM   #848
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Prime Minister Wong. That has a good ring to it.

I have been saying this for years. Find her a safe seat in the House, elevate her to leader (or PM sometime after Labor wins the election) and that is that. It would not be the first time that a Senator became the Prime Minister.

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Old 17th March 2019, 08:20 PM   #849
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OK. That really made me laugh.

Things are so confused in the Liberal party at the moment, they're stabbing each other in the FRONT!
Because their faces look like arses.
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Be interesting to see how the "shoot em up party" does in the NSW polls in the wake of the Christchurch massacre.
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Old 18th March 2019, 04:47 PM   #851
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Be interesting to see how the "shoot em up party" does in the NSW polls in the wake of the Christchurch massacre.
With their preference deal with Labor, I'm going to bet they do okay.
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The Liberals are in serious trouble with their Facebook supporters. Read the comments of this post. Some are upset they will be giving their preferences to the Greens and Labor ahead of One Nation.

https://www.facebook.com/scottmorris...BzWQ&__tn__=-R

Looks like One Nation will be getting many votes from ex Liberals.
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That's worrying.
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Old 18th March 2019, 07:43 PM   #854
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
The Liberals are in serious trouble with their Facebook supporters. Read the comments of this post. Some are upset they will be giving their preferences to the Greens and Labor ahead of One Nation.

Looks like One Nation will be getting many votes from ex Liberals.
Doubt if there will be many, actually. I can just see them now...


C'mon, guys! Liberals are all ****** Let's all go vote for One Nation instead!


....guys?


...hello?


...where did they all go...?
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You know, if the Nationals wake up one morning, and actually check their policies and Labor's policies, and form a Coalition with Labor...

... well that would be the permanent end of the Liberals.
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You know, if the Nationals wake up one morning, and actually check their policies and Labor's policies, and form a Coalition with Labor...

... well that would be the permanent end of the Liberals.
Do you really think the ALP would sell their souls to meld with Barnaby Joyce and fellow troglodytes? Not a chance. If it happened, and it won’t, I would change my vote from Labor for the first time in nearly 50 years.
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Old 19th March 2019, 09:33 AM   #857
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Do you really think the ALP would sell their souls to meld with Barnaby Joyce and fellow troglodytes?
Maybe not with Gough Whitlam in charge but Shorten is a blatant opportunist.
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Old 19th March 2019, 08:29 PM   #858
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Oooh, this is interesting - several journalists claim Morrison made highly questionable remarks about muslims a few years back; Scotty says it's a disgusting lie.

But he's not going to sue...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...20-p515p7.html
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I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he did.
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Scotty says what he is told to say. Rupert has him on speed-dial.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-...im-row/1947034

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A Fairfax report says Mr Morrison urged shadow cabinet to capitalise on electorate fears of "Muslim immigration", "Muslims in Australia" and Muslim migrants' "inability to integrate".
This is a news report from 2011.

Not sure there is much difference in attitude between Senator Fraser Anning and Morrison.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-...im-row/1947034



This is a news report from 2011.

Not sure there is much difference in attitude between Senator Fraser Anning and Morrison.
Well, one difference might be that Morrison has in the meantime learned that it's not a good idea to spout stupid **** in the wake of a tragedy.
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Well, one difference might be that Morrison has in the meantime learned that it's not a good idea to spout stupid **** in the wake of a tragedy.
So shed crocodile tears until the next issue arises about immigration. We are going to reduce it by 30,000 a year. https://www.pmc.gov.au/sites/default...aI0b-qrd8aIj9U
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Looks like the "disgusting lie" contains at the very least a solid element of truth in it, according to Morrison's new story.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/chr...sion-interview


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Not sure there is much difference in attitude between Senator Fraser Anning and Morrison.
Yep.
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An interesting article by James Boyce. Scomo's religion should be of concern to us and his apparent insincerity. Personally it concerns me deeply that our PM might think we are in end times. What sort of planning for the future might be appropriate given this?

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If for no other reason than this dangerous delusion, Australians deserve to know more about what the leader of our country believes. Pentecostalism might not be a cult, but in terms of what ordinary people have been told about its true teachings, it may as well be. Those charged with scrutinising our politicians should put aside the national discomfort about discussing religion, and do what they would if a political leader subscribed to any other little-known ideology. Morrison must be made to tell us more about the faith that has shaped his life: What does he really think of the Devil?
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Didn't I already post that? I'm pretty sure I already posted that.

ETA: I did.
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There seems to be a propensity for Scomo and his fellow travellers to revile people of other faiths due to their professed beliefs. Maybe about time for the shoe to be on the other foot. The religious and other beliefs of our "fine upstanding" citizens that are our current right-wing (Hanson, Palmer and Anning, I'm looking at you) should be examined publicly and commented on just as much.
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There seems to be a propensity for Scomo and his fellow travellers to revile people of other faiths due to their professed beliefs. Maybe about time for the shoe to be on the other foot. The religious and other beliefs of our "fine upstanding" citizens that are our current right-wing (Hanson, Palmer and Anning, I'm looking at you) should be examined publicly and commented on just as much.
Absolutely. Especially when our politicians let their religion drive their policy.
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That article is full of nothing except speculation.

Why should a politician's religious beliefs take precedence over say their allegiance to multinational corporations?
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
That article is full of nothing except speculation.

Why should a politician's religious beliefs take precedence over say their allegiance to multinational corporations?
You said you weren't going to read it.
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That article is full of nothing except speculation.

Why should a politician's religious beliefs take precedence over say their allegiance to multinational corporations?
Because they are usually one and the same thing.
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Because they are usually one and the same thing.
Which if you think about it isn't particularly surprising. If someone has a belief system that they turn to about questions about morality, of course that's going to influence their policy decisions. Someone who believes that homosexuality is bad isn't going to support policies that promote diversity and inclusion, unless they can put their personal views aside in favour of a majority. But really, is a politician really going to support something that they strongly believe is immoral?

Hey, remember Ruddock's religious freedom review? Whatever happened to that? Did that just get quietly buried?
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Hey, remember Ruddock's religious freedom review? Whatever happened to that? Did that just get quietly buried?
Turns out it kind of was, but the details were leaked and the 20 recommendations were published in the SMH.

Recommendation 17 is interesting in the current state of affairs.
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Which if you think about it isn't particularly surprising. If someone has a belief system that they turn to about questions about morality, of course that's going to influence their policy decisions. Someone who believes that homosexuality is bad isn't going to support policies that promote diversity and inclusion, unless they can put their personal views aside in favour of a majority. But really, is a politician really going to support something that they strongly believe is immoral?

Hey, remember Ruddock's religious freedom review? Whatever happened to that? Did that just get quietly buried?
I was thinking more about the fact that most of the religious organisations that our leading politicians adhere to operate more like multinational businesses than as religions. And that some multinationals require and receive "religious" followers. Take Fox Media for example.
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You said you weren't going to read it.
I said that I would pass on "reading all three articles in full". I still haven't. A quick glance at the article shows that it was a pure opinion piece.

The notion that politicians shouldn't be trusted because we don't know what they truly believe is trivially true. Religious views are just a small subset of what a politician believes in and most are ready, willing and able to abandon their beliefs in the pursuit of votes.
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I was thinking more about the fact that most of the religious organisations that our leading politicians adhere to operate more like multinational businesses than as religions. And that some multinationals require and receive "religious" followers. Take Fox Media for example.
I wouldn't say "most". Most of our politicians have been Catholics or Anglicans.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I said that I would pass on "reading all three articles in full". I still haven't. A quick glance at the article shows that it was a pure opinion piece.
Well, yes. What gave you the impression that it wasn't? In what way would this subject be appropriate for a pure facts-based news report? News organisations have published opinion pieces since forever. Also, you should still read all three articles in full.

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The notion that politicians shouldn't be trusted because we don't know what they truly believe is trivially true. Religious views are just a small subset of what a politician believes in and most are ready, willing and able to abandon their beliefs in the pursuit of votes.
I don't think that's true at all. Otherwise they would have all supported marriage equality.
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I wouldn't say "most". Most of our politicians have been Catholics or Anglicans.
That was my point.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
That was my point.
Yeah, I just realised what I said there.
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I don't think that's true at all. Otherwise they would have all supported marriage equality.
Don't be silly. Hypocrisy is the number one requirement for a successful politician. Do you think that all the MPs who voted for the SSM legislation are atheists?
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