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Old 30th May 2023, 12:34 PM   #3241
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
If you're really asking for the worst case examples, consider what happened to Salman Rushdie fairly recently or Theo van Gogh much less recently. After they were publicly demonized for speech or expression, they were individually targeted for violent reprisal.

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that's cancel culture? lol ok
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Old 30th May 2023, 12:36 PM   #3242
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Imagine not empathizing with people who cannot hold on to a part time job. Lol nothing matters, amirite?



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Old 30th May 2023, 12:45 PM   #3243
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
it's not a national dilemma
The precarity of the American workforce is absolutely a scandal and worthy of more attention, but that's not much to do with this cancel culture hobby horse.

I have my doubts that many of these pundits whining about cancel culture have any real problems with at-will, no contract employment in the US, but it's the closest thing to a real issue they've come to with their moral panic.
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Old 30th May 2023, 02:04 PM   #3244
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Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost View Post
The precarity of the American workforce is absolutely a scandal and worthy of more attention, but that's not much to do with this cancel culture hobby horse.

I have my doubts that many of these pundits whining about cancel culture have any real problems with at-will, no contract employment in the US, but it's the closest thing to a real issue they've come to with their moral panic.
idk, maybe dave chapelle was too busy counting his tens of millions of dollars he made off of his multiple offensive comedy specials about how hard it is to make offensive comedy to bring it up. maybe not, but i've seen bigger leaps of logic on the topic.
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Old 30th May 2023, 02:27 PM   #3245
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
that's cancel culture? lol ok
I'm not the first to observe that demonizing and dehumanizing a targeted group or individual is statistically likely to end in violence at least some of the time. There is even a term for this process: stochastic terrorism.

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Old 30th May 2023, 03:06 PM   #3246
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
I'm not the first to observe that demonizing and dehumanizing a targeted group or individual is statistically likely to end in violence at least some of the time. There is even a term for this process: stochastic terrorism.

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Old 30th May 2023, 03:09 PM   #3247
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
cancel culture is terrorism?
Yes, bitching and moaning on Twitter that you won't buy "brand x's" product because of "employee y's" opinion is exactly the same as the fatwa called against Salman Rushdie. /s
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Old 30th May 2023, 03:31 PM   #3248
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
cancel culture is terrorism?
Someone asked for "the worst thing that's happened" as the result of an attempted cancellation, that is, a wave of outrage directed an an individual as a result of their giving offense. Such extreme outliers are not good representations of the general phenomenon, however, for obvious reasons. Also, most cancellations don't include fatwas.
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Old 30th May 2023, 03:40 PM   #3249
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Another anti-cancel culture anti-woke cancellation is in the cards and this time it's the uber-woke...

...Chick-fil-A...
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Old 30th May 2023, 03:44 PM   #3250
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Someone asked for "the worst thing that's happened" as the result of an attempted cancellation, that is, a wave of outrage directed an an individual as a result of their giving offense. Such extreme outliers are not good representations of the general phenomenon, however, for obvious reasons. Also, most cancellations don't include fatwas.
no, it wasn't someone it was me, and what i asked was what's the worst thing that happened due to cancel culture. you replied with a terrorist attack from 2004. before the woke mob was even born.

obviously, now i'm terrified of cancel culture as well, sounds like a pretty serious thing.
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
before the woke mob was even born.
You seem to think that "cancel culture" must refer to woke mobs rather than outraged mobs more generally. Why is that?
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Old 30th May 2023, 04:01 PM   #3252
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
You seem to think that "cancel culture" must refer to woke mobs rather than outraged mobs more generally. Why is that?
I genuinely hope, for your sake, that this a ploy, and that indeed you can tell the difference between "cancel culture" normally defined as: "the popular practice of withdrawing support for public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive."

And:

Calling for a person to be murdered for their views, or indeed attempting to murder said person. Or indeed calls for violence of any kind.
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Old 30th May 2023, 04:09 PM   #3253
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
You seem to think that "cancel culture" must refer to woke mobs rather than outraged mobs more generally. Why is that?
oh man idk where i heard the woke mob was cancelling people, must be remembering this all wrong
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Another person in a position of power whining that the unwashed masses disagreeing with their privileged opinion is cancel culture

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On May 21 I officiated at my 18th and final Commencement ceremony as president of Boston University. It was an unruly affair. David Zaslav, president and CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery and our alumnus, was our Commencement speaker and an honorary degree recipient, invited long before the ongoing strike by the Writers Guild of America (WGA) began on May 2. Not surprisingly, there were protesters both outside and inside our ceremony, as the leaders of the media business are at the focus of the labor dispute.

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Our students were not picking a fight. They were attempting to implement the cancel culture that has become all too prevalent on university campuses. The hundreds of virtually identical protest emails we received in my office in advance of Commencement came with an explicit “cancel” hashtag, indicating an aim to prevent Mr. Zaslav from speaking. The attempt to silence a speaker with obscene shouts is a resort to gain power, not reason, and antithetical to the mission and purposes of a university.
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/a-l...ruly%20affair.

Apparently it's not the place for students to object to whom their university bestows honors
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
that's cancel culture? lol ok
Quite ironic that both of those perpetrators would be best characterised as far right in political ideology. In fact, if they were christian, they would likely be heroes to those who complain about "cancel culture".
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Old 31st May 2023, 08:39 AM   #3256
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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle View Post
Quite ironic that both of those perpetrators would be best characterised as far right in political ideology.
Why is that ironic? I've mentioned conservative cancel culture several times upthread.
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There are now calls from the same right wingers who cancelled Target and Chick-Fil-A to cancel Lego over a two year old trans acceptance set.

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If we remove any movements that include violence from 'cancel culture' then 'cancel culture' becomes almost by definition exclusively left wing simply because of how often right wing cancellations employ threats of violence and outright violence.
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
If we remove any movements that include violence from 'cancel culture' then 'cancel culture' becomes almost by definition exclusively left wing simply because of how often right wing cancellations employ threats of violence and outright violence.
The left doesn't legitimize violence except when it does.



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Old 31st May 2023, 05:28 PM   #3259
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There are now calls from the same right wingers who cancelled Target and Chick-Fil-A to cancel Lego over a two year old trans acceptance set.

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If we remove any movements that include violence from 'cancel culture' then 'cancel culture' becomes almost by definition exclusively left wing simply because of how often right wing cancellations employ threats of violence and outright violence.
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You might want to run your reply through some basic logic one more time to see if it responds to what what I said at all.
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
You might want to run your reply through some basic logic one more time to see if it responds to what what I said at all.
You said that only the right wing wants to do the violence, as if Steve Scalise never got shot and the Weather Underground was a fictional movement.
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Old 31st May 2023, 06:14 PM   #3261
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
You said that only the right wing wants to do the violence, as if Steve Scalise never got shot and the Weather Underground was a fictional movement.
Did I say that?

When I say 'basic logic' I mean basic logic. If 'Cancel Culture' cannot be any set that includes threats of violence or violence, and the sets that originate from the right wing almost always include that, does it follow that sets from the left wing never (or practically never) endorse violence?
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
Did I say that?

When I say 'basic logic' I mean basic logic. If 'Cancel Culture' cannot be any set that includes threats of violence or violence, and the sets that originate from the right wing almost always include that, does it follow that sets from the left wing never (or practically never) endorse violence?
Basic logic would proceed from the definition of cancel culture and ask whether violence is somehow excluded, given that the other conditions are satisfied. Give it a shot.

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Basic logic would proceed from the definition of cancel culture and ask whether violence is somehow excluded, given that the other conditions are satisfied. Give it a shot.

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Got it, I never said what you claimed and you're not going to even try. I mean, I knew that already from previous experience but it's good to remind lurkers.
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If someone wants to argue that "Cancel Culture cannot be any set that includes threats of violence or violence" then I'd be willing to entertain their framing. Until that happens, it's just a silly hypo.
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Another NYC professional got fed into the cancel culture machine, this one a lawyer who drunkenly ripped the wig off a stranger on the street.

Fired after he was quickly identified on social media

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Anthony Orlich, a white lawyer who was caught on video after he allegedly assaulted a Black woman has been fired. Late last week, singer Lizzy Ashliegh posted a video on TikTok alleging that Anthony Orlich, pulled the wig she was wearing off her head. The video has more than 500,000 views on TikTok and has now been shared across several other social media platforms. In it Ashliegh can be seen asking Orlich in a distressed voice why he took her wig off.

“Sir, for what f**king reason? For what reason? For what reason did you take my wig off? Because what made you think that that was the good thing to do? For what? For what? Why did you do that?” Ashliegh can be heard saying in the video.

Orlich is seen on the video smiling, walking on, without any sign of contrition or remorse.
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If you're really asking for the worst case examples, consider what happened to Salman Rushdie fairly recently or Theo van Gogh much less recently. After they were publicly demonized for speech or expression, they were individually targeted for violent reprisal.

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What about the international cancellation of South Africa in the 80s to influence their internal policies?

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Okay, the phrase has jumped the shark. It now means absolutely any human interactions
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What about the international cancellation of South Africa in the 80s to influence their internal policies?
It would seem a bit more righteous if we tried that same approach when it actually required significant pain on our end, e.g. when the Saudis used a bone saw on a dissident WaPo journalist.

(Good idea at the time, though.)
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Just spotted on the contrarian website Spiked, an article quoting 'Right-Winger' Tim Minchin (He must be, he's being quoted on Spiked.) on 'Cancel Culture'...


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It has become fashionable in some circles to pretend that cancel culture doesn’t exist. You’ll often hear, from figures in the media or the arts, that the crisis of free speech in the West is all just a right-wing myth, and that no one is really being silenced, shunned or hounded out of their jobs for straying from elite orthodoxy. The ever-growing list of cancellations never manages to dent this narrative.

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It would seem a bit more righteous if we tried that same approach when it actually required significant pain on our end, e.g. when the Saudis used a bone saw on a dissident WaPo journalist.

(Good idea at the time, though.)
An interesting question. I would also be impressed by a strong stance against Saudi human rights violations, but I also acknowledge that comes with significant consequences and we would be wise to pick our battles. On the other hand, using peacetime influence you have over a closer ally is easier... and so in a way inaction is less defensible in that case.
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Just spotted on the contrarian website Spiked, an article quoting 'Right-Winger' Tim Minchin (He must be, he's being quoted on Spiked.) on 'Cancel Culture'...





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