Electric universe theories here.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Dabop

What is sad, is that by this time, Sol88 could have completed a degree and actually know something...
Hell, he could have done several....
:-(

He couldn't have gotten a degree. Someone could have gotten a degree within this time, but not him. But yes, even he could have learned something, if he had wanted to. There's the rub, though.

[jonesdave116]

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Gravity is in a bit of trouble. Fun to watch the ad hoc excuses for the failure of gravity dominated cosmology.

Strange. Last time I looked, the cosmic web was a direct prediction of the LCDM model. It doesn't arise without dark matter.

[Sol88]

Astronomer's research suggests 'magnetic tunnel' surrounds our solar system

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"Magnetic fields don't exist in isolation," she says. "They all must to connect to each other. So, a next step is to better understand how this local magnetic field connects both to the larger-scale galactic magnetic field, and also to the smaller scale magnetic fields of our sun and Earth."

Perfect...got the magnetic part howabouts the electro part of electromagnetic?

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Astronomer's research suggests 'magnetic tunnel' surrounds our solar system



Perfect...got the magnetic part howabouts the electro part of electromagnetic?

Sol88's usual stupid posts empathizing his insane electric universe dogma.
Astronomers use both the electro and magnetic parts of electromagnetism.
This real world science is nothing to do with his deluded dogma. The post emphasizes his cult's insane obsession with the electro part of electromagnetism.

Sol88 and his cult are insanely ignorant about the real universe and its spiral and double lobed radio galaxies
Sol88's years long delusions about the properties of plasma
Sol88's repeated insanity that that galaxies rotating within filaments made of dark matter, galaxies and plasma are electric currents.
Sol88's stupidity of repeating the evidence for dark matter in a thread about his electric universe insanity.
Sol88 persists with his delusions about the cosmic filament spin evidence and Peratt's model.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who talks more insanity about physics.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who writes insanity about physics.
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's galaxy formation insanity (Peratt disavows them, his model is invalid)
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids.
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 (over 12 years now!) from Sol88 about his deluded cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. and now his deluded cult's electric universe dogma in this thread.

[Sol88]

Scientists create insights into one of the most extreme states of matter produced on Earth

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Improved understanding could provide benefits ranging from fine-tuning the high-density plasmas in inertial confinement fusion experiments to better understanding of processes throughout the universe.

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The study revealed key aspects of the plasmas that had not been previously known. For example, the analysis found that the temperature of ions and electrons were not equivalent, as had been assumed in such plasmas, and the ions were substantially cooler. "It turns out that some approximations that people have been making don't fit the data that we saw," Kraus said.

'Very special'

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"The results in Brian's thesis are very special," Efthimion said. "Brian's ability to understand the X-ray line broadening resulted in accurate measurements of the electron and ion temperatures, simultaneously. It allowed us to conclude that the electrons and ions are not in equilibrium. This is the first time this situation has been observed in plasma near solid density. Brian mastered many research tools to complete this work. Observing and understanding new phenomena is what truly excites scientists."

Better understanding processes throughout the universe???

Just beginning is more apt!

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Scientists create insights

Indeed, scientists do.

Electric universe cultists don't. There are never any headlines about them making progress, because they cannot.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Scientists create insights into one of the most extreme states of matter produced on Earth
...

Nothing to do with his deluded and sometimes insane Thunderbolts cult who do not even know basic plasma properties! Sol88's usual idiotic highlighting.

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Exotic laser-produced high-energy-density (HED) plasmas akin to those found in stars and nuclear explosions could provide insight into events throughout the universe. Physicists at the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory (PPPL) have discovered a new way to measure and understand these plasmas, among the most extreme states of matter ever produced on Earth. Improved understanding could provide benefits ranging from fine-tuning the high-density plasmas in inertial confinement fusion experiments to better understanding of processes throughout the universe.

"HED plasmas are so dense as to be virtually solid". People with brains know that mostly means plasmas in the core of stars (solar core with a density of 150 g/cm³).

Sol88 and his cult are insanely ignorant about the real universe and its spiral and double lobed radio galaxies
Sol88's years long delusions about the properties of plasma
Sol88's repeated insanity that that galaxies rotating within filaments made of dark matter, galaxies and plasma are electric currents.
Sol88's stupidity of repeating the evidence for dark matter in a thread about his electric universe insanity.
Sol88 persists with his delusions about the cosmic filament spin evidence and Peratt's model.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who talks more insanity about physics.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who writes insanity about physics.
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's galaxy formation insanity (Peratt disavows them, his model is invalid)
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids.
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 (over 12 years now!) from Sol88 about his deluded cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. and now his deluded cult's electric universe dogma in this thread.

[jonesdave116]

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This is the first time this situation has been observed in plasma near solid density.

Yep, and we know what happens to the dense plasma at high density in the solar core, don't we? It fuses. Which powers the star. The neutrino data show us that the requisite number are detected to account for the total power output of the Sun. Their energy spectra tell us that ~99% of them come from the first step in the p-p chain. As predicted. As expected.
Electric universe geniuses, Thornhill and Scott; the fusion occurs on the surface, or above it! Of heavy elements!
Which means we are extinct due to the gamma from such fusion, with nothing to attenuate it between the Sun and Earth. And no signature in the neutrino data of any fusion of anything heavier than O. And the CNO fusion contributes a tiny fraction of a percentage of all the fusion in the Sun. It will be more in more massive stars.

This is what happens when unqualified mythologists try to do science. It doesn't end well. In fact, it ends in non-science.

[Sol88]

VLA reveals double-helix structure in massive galaxy's jet

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Astronomers using the National Science Foundation's Karl G. Jansky Very Large Array (VLA) have shown that a jet of material propelled from the core of a giant galaxy is channeled by a corkscrew-shaped magnetic field out to nearly 3,300 light-years from the galaxy's central supermassive black hole. That is much farther than such a magnetic field previously had been detected in a galactic jet.

A perfect Birkeland Current!

You awake yet JD?

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

VLA reveals double-helix structure in massive galaxy's jet

A perfect Birkeland Current!

You awake yet JD?

Usual Thunderbolt cult lies and delusions from Sol88.
Birkeland currents are currents about planets.
That is a galaxy jet. Birkeland currents are not galaxy jets The jet has double-helix structures. Birkeland currents do not.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

VLA reveals double-helix structure in massive galaxy's jet



A perfect Birkeland Current!

You awake yet JD?

Lol. The irony is that this non-Birkeland current is launched by something the Velikovskians said didn't exist!

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Lol. The irony is that this non-Birkeland current is launched by something the Velikovskians said didn't exist!

Study finds that black hole inner horizons can be charged or discharged

Quick boys, tuck n rolll!

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In their recent paper, the researchers considered a spacetime describing an expanding universe with a charged black hole inside it. Subsequently, they framed quantum field theory of a charged scalar field within this hypothetical spacetime.

"For the time being, we ignored that the presence of the quantum field should alter the spacetime," Klein said.

Using their proposed framework, the team was able to study the electric current of a quantum field in the example they considered. Their numerical setup they developed was based on results they gathered in the past.

quantum field theory of a charged scalar field????

Ummmm... the UNIVERSE IS ELECTRIC PLASMA is the FUNDAMENTAL state of matter. GAS, LIQUID and SOLIDS are special.

Still, progress of some sort!

[Sol88]

JD116??

VLA reveals double-helix structure in massive galaxy's jet

Quote:

Quote:
Astronomers using the National Science Foundation's Karl G. Jansky Very Large Array (VLA) have shown that a jet of material propelled from the core of a giant galaxy is channeled by a corkscrew-shaped magnetic field out to nearly 3,300 light-years from the galaxy's central supermassive black hole. That is much farther than such a magnetic field previously had been detected in a galactic jet.
A perfect Birkeland Current!

You awake yet JD?

Charged black hole, one would have to wonder? Unless they border on brain dead. LOL
__________________

[W.D.Clinger]

Originally Posted by Sol88

quantum field theory of a charged scalar field????

From the Wikipedia article on quantum electrodynamics (QED), with links and bold face as in the original:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In particle physics, quantum electrodynamics (QED) is the relativistic quantum field theory of electrodynamics.

From the news story that has gotten Sol88 so excited:

Originally Posted by Ingrid Fadelli

"One expects realistic black holes to have at most a negligibly small electric charge, but significant angular momentum (i.e., rotation)," Klein said. "In fact, one could consider charged black holes as mere toy models for rotating ones: they share many features, such as the presence of an inner horizon, but charged black holes are much easier to handle mathematically.

In other words, the electrical charge was assumed as part of an approximation adopted for mathematical convenience.

ETA: From Wikipedia's article on the Kerr-Newman solution of Einstein's field equations:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The Kerr–Newman metric is the most general asymptotically flat, stationary solution of the Einstein–Maxwell equations in general relativity that describes the spacetime geometry in the region surrounding an electrically charged, rotating mass....

This solution has not been especially useful for describing astrophysical phenomena, because observed astronomical objects do not possess an appreciable net electric charge

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

JD116??

VLA reveals double-helix structure in massive galaxy's jet



Charged black hole, one would have to wonder? Unless they border on brain dead. LOL
__________________

As W.D. Clinger has explained, it is unlikely that black holes have any appreciable charge. Given that they form from stars, which must have ~ the same sum of positive and negative charges, there is no reason to expect black holes to be any different.

[Sol88]

Hubble finds a black hole igniting star formation in a dwarf galaxy

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Black holes are often described as the monsters of the universe—tearing apart stars, consuming anything that comes too close, and holding light captive. Detailed evidence from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope, however, shows a black hole in a new light: Fostering rather than suppressing star formation. Hubble imaging and spectroscopy of the dwarf starburst galaxy Henize 2-10 clearly show a gas outflow stretching from the black hole to a bright star birth region like an umbilical cord, triggering the already dense cloud into forming clusters of stars.

Just like the Electric Universe nutters have stated all along.

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Galaxies created from galactic-scale field-aligned Birkeland currents

In contrast, there is a coherent theory of how galaxies are created in the Electric Plasma Universe, thanks largely to American plasma and nuclear physicist Anthony Peratt at Los Alamos National Laboratory Santa Fe in New Mexico, who carried out laboratory experiments and computer simulations beginning in the late 1980s [4, 5]. By then, field-aligned filamentary Birkeland currents (see [6] Electric Plasma Universe Arrives, SiS 68) have been found everywhere in space, from Earth’s aurora, to coronal ‘streamers in the Sun, ‘flux ropes’ in the ionosphere of Venus, in interstellar medium and interstellar clouds, and in astrophysical jets shooting out from double radio galaxies. These same filamentary structures are observed in energetic plasmas in the laboratory, where fine-detail resolution of current filaments shows similar vortex patterns at least over 14 orders of magnitude, from microampere to mega amperes electron beams [4]. The basic properties of plasmas are self-similar and scalable, from microns to cosmic distances (1028 cm), i.e., fractal, although Peratt himself did not use the term.

gas outflow = astrophysical jets = ‘flux ropes’ = field-aligned filamentary Birkeland currents

Prove me wrong.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Hubble finds a black hole igniting star formation in a dwarf galaxy



Just like the Electric Universe nutters have stated all along.

Electric universe nutters claim black holes don’t even exist. Not sure how they can trigger star formation if they aren’t even there.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Study finds that black hole inner horizons can be charged or discharged ...

Sol88 and the insane Thunderbolts cult say that black holes do not exist at all.
Sol88 persists with the obvious delusion that objects we do not observe emitting light (are black) are light emitting plasma balls like stars.
Sol88's idiotic random question marks.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

JD116??

VLA reveals double-helix structure in massive galaxy's jet...

Sol88 and the insane Thunderbolts cult say that black holes do not exist at all.
Sol88 persists with the obvious delusion that objects we do not observe emitting light (are black) are light emitting plasma balls like stars.

Galactic jets from supermassive black holes originate from their accretion disk.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Hubble finds a black hole igniting star formation in a dwarf galaxy

Followed by more of Sol88's decades of lying gibberish about science and his cult's demented dogma.

Sol88 and the insane Thunderbolts cult say that black holes do not exist at all.
Sol88 persists with the obvious delusion that objects we do not observe emitting light (are black) are light emitting plasma balls like stars.

Sol88 links to a web page on his and the insane Thunderbolts cult's obsession with Anthony Peratt's idea that Birkeland currents form galaxies that anyone who knows modern (or even 1990's) astronomy knows is wrong.
The web page lies about Peratt's results.

• He got spiral galaxies that had no matter between their arms. This are not real spiral galaxies which are only ~20% less dense there.
• He got double lobed radio galaxies that were actually double lobed when the vast majority are elliptical (the lobes are galactic jets interacting with plasma outside of the galaxies!).
• He explicitly excluded stars from his model.
• The synchrotron radiation emitted from his currents has never been detected.

The web page lies about Alfven H and Carlqvist P. "Interstellar clouds and the formation of stars" from 1977. It does not say that there is an "impossibility of matter condensing by gravitational forces alone". What it says is that there is plasma phenomena in a collapsing cloud of plasma. If this was an actual replacement for the standard model of star formation, it would be in a textbook. It is fairly obscure (only 40 citations over 45 years).

Sol88 and his cult are insanely ignorant about the real universe and its spiral and double lobed radio galaxies
Sol88's years long delusions about the properties of plasma
Sol88's repeated insanity that that galaxies rotating within filaments made of dark matter, galaxies and plasma are electric currents.
Sol88's stupidity of repeating the evidence for dark matter in a thread about his electric universe insanity.
Sol88 persists with his delusions about the cosmic filament spin evidence and Peratt's model.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who talks more insanity about physics.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who writes insanity about physics.
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's galaxy formation insanity (Peratt disavows them, his model is invalid)
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids.
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 (over 12 years now!) from Sol88 about his deluded cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. and now his deluded cult's electric universe dogma in this thread.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Electric universe nutters claim black holes don’t even exist. Not sure how they can trigger star formation if they aren’t even there.

and you'd be correct!

Understanding Plasmoids in 90 seconds

Language, ay!

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

a...

Sol88 repeats his insanity of light emitting plasmoids being black holes.
What also also this insanity clear is that supermassive black holes are millions to billions of solar masses packed into small volumes, i.e. they have relatively high densities. Sagittarius A* is a bit more then 4 million solar masses in a volume of at most radius 6.25 light-hours (45 AU). Stellar black holes have densities greater than that of solid neutron stars. Plasma are very thin in general except inside stars and in the very early universe.
What also makes this insanity clear is that we have images of light being bent by an event horizon in ways which are unique to black holes.

Sol88 and his cult are insanely ignorant about the real universe and its spiral and double lobed radio galaxies
Sol88's years long delusions about the properties of plasma
Sol88's repeated insanity that that galaxies rotating within filaments made of dark matter, galaxies and plasma are electric currents.
Sol88's stupidity of repeating the evidence for dark matter in a thread about his electric universe insanity.
Sol88 persists with his delusions about the cosmic filament spin evidence and Peratt's model.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who talks more insanity about physics.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who writes insanity about physics.
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's galaxy formation insanity (Peratt disavows them, his model is invalid)
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids.
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 (over 12 years now!) from Sol88 about his deluded cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. and now his deluded cult's electric universe dogma in this thread.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

and you'd be correct!

Understanding Plasmoids in 90 seconds

Language, ay!

Well, that was kind of a dumb thing to do! Linking to a video by some EU nutjob, who shows Lerner's idiotic model of plasmoids causing jets of ions going in one direction, and electrons in the other. Astrophysical jets are seen to be jets of both ions and electrons going in the same direction!

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Well, that was kind of a dumb thing to do! Linking to a video by some EU nutjob, who shows Lerner's idiotic model of plasmoids causing jets of ions going in one direction, and electrons in the other. Astrophysical jets are seen to be jets of both ions and electrons going in the same direction!

Really?

Ion and electrons in the same direction. If you say so.

Perhaps you could also tell me, do these - & + have the same temperature as each other?

I await the dear leaders instruction.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Well, that was kind of a dumb thing to do! Linking to a video by some EU nutjob, who shows Lerner's idiotic model of plasmoids causing jets of ions going in one direction, and electrons in the other. Astrophysical jets are seen to be jets of both ions and electrons going in the same direction!

Gotta Link?

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Gotta Link?

I’m not going to bother looking, but it should be obvious. Jets are roughly symmetric. Ions and electrons are highly asymmetric. If you throw ions one way and electrons the other, the resulting jets won’t look anything like each other. Plus you can’t keep them tightly collimated when they are strongly self-repelling.

You don’t actually understand even the most basic properties of electricity. Kind of ironic for someone who keeps claiming it’s so important.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Really?....

Stupid questions abut the universe that Sol88 and his deluded Thunderbolts cult do not believe in (actual galactic jets). Positive ions and negative electrons bend in opposite directions in magnetic fields. Galaxies have magnetic fields. His insanity of supermassive black holes being light emitting plasmoids should not produce the straight beams we see.

The insanity that black holes are plasmoids, part 2
Sol88 and his cult are insanely ignorant about the real universe and its spiral and double lobed radio galaxies
Sol88's years long delusions about the properties of plasma
Sol88's repeated insanity that that galaxies rotating within filaments made of dark matter, galaxies and plasma are electric currents.
Sol88's stupidity of repeating the evidence for dark matter in a thread about his electric universe insanity.
Sol88 persists with his delusions about the cosmic filament spin evidence and Peratt's model.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who talks more insanity about physics.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who writes insanity about physics.
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's galaxy formation insanity (Peratt disavows them, his model is invalid)
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids.
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 (over 12 years now!) from Sol88 about his deluded cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. and now his deluded cult's electric universe dogma in this thread.

[Reality Check]

Sol88 stupidly links to a EU nut's video about plasmoids that emphasizes the insanity of plasmoids being black holes in the first few seconds !
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the EU insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids
Any one with a brain already knows that plasmoids cannot be black holes because black holes are black while plasma emits light. What turns this into an insane delusion is the real world where[list][*]Black holes have an average density that is greater than solid neutron stars.[*]We have measured gravitational waves from colliding black holes. [*]We have images of light being bent by an event horizon which are unique to black holes.[*]The best scientific explanation of quasars and active galactic nuclei is the the activity of accretion disks around supermassive black holes.[*]First detection of light from behind a black hole is about an effect that only happens for black holes !

The video adds to the insanity.

• Plasmoids in general are toroidal (doughnuts) (@31 seconds in the video).
  We have no evidence that black holes have holes!
• In the lab, plasmoids can be made to emit a beam of protons (ions) and an opposite beam of electrons.
  Real relativistic jets are not seen to be bent in opposite directions in galactic magnetic fields.
• A lie as expected from a EU nut of a "supposed" black hole when that image is of light that can only be bent in that way by a black hole.
• A deluded "used to describe" list.
  Plasmoids are used to describe ball lightning. They might be used to describe "coronal discharge from the Sun" since that looks like an environment likely to create them (plasma flowing through a magnetic field).
  It is EU cranks that have delusions about plasmoids and quasars and black holes and sustaining nuclear fusion.
• A lie by omission by not stating how plasmoids are created.
  
  Quote:

  Natural plasmoid produced in the near-Earth magnetotail by the magnetic reconnection.
  Magnetic reconnection is more real world physics that Sol88 and his cult say does not exist.
  Plasmoids in space are created by plasma flowing past a central magnetic field, e.g. magnetotails.
  
  Quote:

  A plasmoid has an internal pressure stemming from both the gas pressure of the plasma and the magnetic pressure of the field. To maintain an approximately static plasmoid radius, this pressure must be balanced by an external confining pressure. In a field-free vacuum, for example, a plasmoid will rapidly expand and dissipate.
  Plasmoids need an external magnetic field to be stable.
  The greater the plasmoid gas pressure (temperature) and magnetic field, the greater the external magnetic field has to be.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I’m not going to bother looking, but it should be obvious. Jets are roughly symmetric. Ions and electrons are highly asymmetric. If you throw ions one way and electrons the other, the resulting jets won’t look anything like each other. Plus you can’t keep them tightly collimated when they are strongly self-repelling.

You don’t actually understand even the most basic properties of electricity. Kind of ironic for someone who keeps claiming it’s so important.

Yawnnn....

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Professor Ellen Zweibel of the University of Wisconsin at Madison notes that "despite decades of remarkable progress in cosmology, the origin of magnetic fields in the universe remains unknown. It is wonderful to see state-of-the-art plasma physics theory and numerical simulation brought to bear on this fundamental problem."

Zhou and co-workers will continue to refine their model and study the handoff from the generation of the seed field to the amplification phase of the dynamo. An important part of their future research will be to determine if the process can work on a time scale consistent with astronomical observations. To quote the researchers, "This work provides the first step in the building of a new paradigm for understanding magnetogenesis in the universe."

How the universe got its magnetic field


What's this??

Plasma, seems the mainstream is surprised.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Plasma, seems the mainstream is surprised.

If you are never surprised by an observation, it’s because you aren’t doing science, you are doing religion.

[tusenfem]

Interesting, but I am not really surprised.
Seed magnetic fields were always expected to be generated by random motions in plasma. I have no access to the paper, but from the press release it seems the authors are invoking waves (whereever they are coming from).

[lauwenmark]

Originally Posted by Sol88

What's this??

Plasma, seems the mainstream is surprised.

Surprized? Not at all. The question has been open for a long time, and it seems Prof. Zhou and his colleagues found a possible answer for it.

There are two interesting aspects to this.

First, they were able to provide an answer to a previously unanswered question about the origin of magnetic fields without relying on the EU fairy tales and without rejecting the current "mainstream" model.

And second, they obviously relied on numerical simulations to design their solution. This shows how useful quantifying things and formulate them in mathematical terms is; something EU proponents always rejected because "maths are evil" or any similar sort of junk.

If even proponents of the EU theory are now posting articles that weaken their position even more...

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

What's this??

Plasma, seems the mainstream is surprised.

Errrr, nope;


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biermann_battery

"In astrophysics, the Biermann battery is a process by which a weak seed magnetic field can be generated from zero initial conditions. The relative motion between electrons and ions is driven by rotation. The process was discovered by Ludwig Biermann in 1950."

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by tusenfem

Interesting, but I am not really surprised.
Seed magnetic fields were always expected to be generated by random motions in plasma. I have no access to the paper, but from the press release it seems the authors are invoking waves (whereever they are coming from).

Preprint;

Spontaneous magnetization of collisionless plasma through the action of a shear flow
Zhou, M. et al.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2110.01134.pdf

[tusenfem]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Preprint;

Spontaneous magnetization of collisionless plasma through the action of a shear flow
Zhou, M. et al.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2110.01134.pdf

Thanks, but apparently I have access at work, so I could download the pnas paper.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

If you are never surprised by an observation, it’s because you aren’t doing science, you are doing religion.

Speaking of religion... The Big Bang (Ex nihlio) God didn’t make the universe from preexisting building blocks. He started from scratch. LINK

God did it!

Seems a sound scientific method.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Errrr, nope;


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biermann_battery

"In astrophysics, the Biermann battery is a process by which a weak seed magnetic field can be generated from zero initial conditions. The relative motion between electrons and ions is driven by rotation. The process was discovered by Ludwig Biermann in 1950."

So...PLASMA!

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by lauwenmark

Surprized? Not at all. The question has been open for a long time, and it seems Prof. Zhou and his colleagues found a possible answer for it.

There are two interesting aspects to this.

First, they were able to provide an answer to a previously unanswered question about the origin of magnetic fields without relying on the EU fairy tales and without rejecting the current "mainstream" model.

And second, they obviously relied on numerical simulations to design their solution. This shows how useful quantifying things and formulate them in mathematical terms is; something EU proponents always rejected because "maths are evil" or any similar sort of junk.

If even proponents of the EU theory are now posting articles that weaken their position even more...

What? That the universe is infinite in age and extent!

No need for ex nihilo seed fields!

Now, off you toddle to debate fictitious fairy fields!

The universe is ELECTRIC.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Speaking of religion... The Big Bang (Ex nihlio) God didn’t make the universe from preexisting building blocks. He started from scratch. LINK

God did it!

Seems a sound scientific method.

This isn’t a scientific argument, so I don’t need to refute it with science. It isn’t even an accurate representation of what the Big Bang actually says.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

This isn’t a scientific argument, so I don’t need to refute it with science. It isn’t even an accurate representation of what the Big Bang actually says.

Ok, what was before the big bang? You know, the phase were the bang had yet to go bang?

I rest my case, again.

Researchers pinpoint the end of 'cosmic dawn,' the epoch of reionization

Quote:

The universe has undergone different phases from its beginning to its current state. During the first 380,000 years after the Big Bang it was a hot and dense ionized plasma. After this period, it cooled down enough for the protons and electrons that filled the universe to combine into neutral hydrogen atoms.

Where did all the protons and electrons come from?