[Merged] UK Queen dead? Dying?/Liz Mountbatten's death - Page 10

Darat · 9th September 2022, 04:49 AM

I’m getting really peeved of by being told how I am feeling. And being told even those not in agreement with monarchy think she was a saint… No I don’t.

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Mourning route? Oh hell, there's a good chance the village where I live is on that. Can't they just shove her on a plane?

As far as this all being planned for is concerned, you'd think so, wouldn't you? Just like you'd think a serious pandemic would be planned for...

Originally Posted by Worm

Can't find it again now, but saw a report that the previously planned route of returning the Queen's body to London, via the Royal train, will now not go ahead, and the RAF will fly her down. Security considered to be an issue on a long journey apparently.

Maybe someone was listening.

Graham2001 · 9th September 2022, 04:51 AM

Courtesy of a 'Woke' Professor...

Quote:

Carnegie Mellon University has condemned social media posts by one of its professors after Dr Uju Anya wished the Queen an “excruciating” death and tweeted that she hoped the Queen would die “in agony.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world...th/ar-AA11CyOC

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

I’m getting really peeved of by being told how I am feeling. And being told even those not in agreement with monarchy think she was a saint… No I don’t.

Darat, pro tip. Stop listening to the bloody BBC. Or at least turn on a radio station where they won't bother mentioning it. (Radio 3 hasn't said a word in my hearing yet today, though I expect the upcoming news bulletin might mention it.)

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother warm?

On which planet?

Darat · 9th September 2022, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

On which planet?

Planet of the Social Climbers?

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 04:59 AM

She didn't like social climbers.

Warp12 · 9th September 2022, 05:02 AM

When someone who was reverenced dies, it really brings out the true nature of those who opposed their views. May she rest in peace, after a long life of being an inspiration to many.

Darat · 9th September 2022, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

She didn't like social climbers.

Other social climbers.

Darat · 9th September 2022, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

When someone who is reverenced dies, it really brings out the true nature of those who oppose their views. May she rest in peace, after a long life of being an inspiration to many.

Death is not some great cleanser.

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Monarch's Counsel might be a bit confusing...

Dave

According to the radio news, court sittings today at the Old Bailey began "in the name of the King" and the QCs have all instantaneously become KCs.

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

When someone who was reverenced dies, it really brings out the true nature of those who opposed their views. May she rest in peace, after a long life of being an inspiration to many.

Inspiration in what way? Were people being inspired to get themselves born into immense wealth and privilege?

a_unique_person · 9th September 2022, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Nope, not my kind of music.

In other news, it looks like the Queen's still dead.

Mike Hosking is a right-wing moron, and I'd lay odds he was putting it on for his listeners, who would be monarchists almost to a Zimmer frame.

Given Charlie I being executed and #II poisoning himself with mercury, I'd have thought Charles wasn't an idea regnal name. Plenty of precedent for changing it.

Why did they call him Charles in the first place, then?

Darat · 9th September 2022, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Why did they call him Charles in the first place, then?

Lost a bet? Philip got drunk on the way to register the birth? Some magic being told them?

Drewbot · 9th September 2022, 05:27 AM

They could have injected some youth into the Royal line by naming William.
However, perhaps Charles will rule for a year and step aside.

Carrot Flower King · 9th September 2022, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Darat, pro tip. Stop listening to the bloody BBC. Or at least turn on a radio station where they won't bother mentioning it. (Radio 3 hasn't said a word in my hearing yet today, though I expect the upcoming news bulletin might mention it.)

It's not just the Beeb though. I can't go near some bits of the internet at the moment.

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 05:35 AM

I need to go to the Co-op for some bread and milk. Can't put it off any longer. If I see a book of condolence or any flowers that aren't actually on sale, I may vomit.

Carrot Flower King · 9th September 2022, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

When someone who was reverenced dies, it really brings out the true nature of those who opposed their views. May she rest in peace, after a long life of being an inspiration to many.

The word you are struggling for is "revered".

And, no, not everyone revered her nor found her an inspiration. We did not fall for the hype and we know the history of our country and how the aristocracy obtained and maintained their positions of power and privilege. And it would be hypocritical to suddenly pretend otherwise now.

FFS, all the women in my immediate family did more for the folk of this country than Brenda: teachers, nurses, physios and the like, who actually worked for a living, rather than having dinner a lot.

I'd love someone to explain all the "work" Brenda did and what exactly is "inspirational" about having 3 months off every summer to doss around Balmoral, shooting grouse, then wearing floral cretone frocks.

As I said earlier, any grief is for her family and her family alone. It doesn't need to be shoved in the face of everyone else. It's all this nonsense which really gives the lie to the British stiff upper lip and not showing emotion.

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 05:40 AM

Why do people call her Brenda? That's a mystery to me.

Worm · 9th September 2022, 05:43 AM

Private Eye. They refer to Charles as 'Brian'

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 05:44 AM

I'm still struggling to join up these dots.

Darat · 9th September 2022, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Why do people call her Brenda? That's a mystery to me.

Private Eye started to use it as a joke, don’t know when but must have been many decades ago and it caught on.

ETA:Apparently it was following that documentary that showed them being an ordinary family back in the 1960s, it was taking the piss making it sound like they were a working class family. (Lets not cringe at how the elite of PE thought about “the” working class at the time.)

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 05:44 AM

Ah. I've often heard it but I never knew where it started.

Worm · 9th September 2022, 05:46 AM

I think it was after the documentary in .. late 60s/early 70s? that showed the Royals in their 'daily life' (all carefuly scripted of course), and the Eye sort of gave them 'normal' nicknames, like they were just a family on Emmerdale or soemthing.

Myriad · 9th September 2022, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Mourning route? Oh hell, there's a good chance the village where I live is on that. Can't they just shove her on a plane?

As far as this all being planned for is concerned, you'd think so, wouldn't you? Just like you'd think a serious pandemic would be planned for...

Originally Posted by Worm

Can't find it again now, but saw a report that the previously planned route of returning the Queen's body to London, via the Royal train, will now not go ahead, and the RAF will fly her down. Security considered to be an issue on a long journey apparently.

Pity. What a great opportunity for Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond, and James May to reunite for one last* epic drive.

"Now, clearly the first thing we must do is modify our Minis to be proper Royal Hearses..."

*Yes I know, they're still doing Grand Tour specials, but this would be far more epic.

The Fool · 9th September 2022, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

The word you are struggling for is "revered".

And, no, not everyone revered her nor found her an inspiration. We did not fall for the hype and we know the history of our country and how the aristocracy obtained and maintained their positions of power and privilege. And it would be hypocritical to suddenly pretend otherwise now.

FFS, all the women in my immediate family did more for the folk of this country than Brenda: teachers, nurses, physios and the like, who actually worked for a living, rather than having dinner a lot.

I'd love someone to explain all the "work" Brenda did and what exactly is "inspirational" about having 3 months off every summer to doss around Balmoral, shooting grouse, then wearing floral cretone frocks.

As I said earlier, any grief is for her family and her family alone. It doesn't need to be shoved in the face of everyone else. It's all this nonsense which really gives the lie to the British stiff upper lip and not showing emotion.

Personally I blame your lack of understanding of the term “head of state” and the responsibilities it entails.

Dave Rogers · 9th September 2022, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Worm

I think it was after the documentary in .. late 60s/early 70s? that showed the Royals in their 'daily life' (all carefuly scripted of course), and the Eye sort of gave them 'normal' nicknames, like they were just a family on Emmerdale or soemthing.

I got the impression it was also thought to be helpful in fending off libel suits.

Dave

JoeMorgue · 9th September 2022, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by The Fool

Personally I blame your lack of understanding of the term “head of state” and the responsibilities it entails.

Tell you what.

- Explain it to me like I'm 5.

- The explanation has to be functionally and objectively different from "meaningless figurehead."

- The explanation can't use the term/concept "Continuity of government."

Darat · 9th September 2022, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Tell you what.

- Explain it to me like I'm 5.

- The explanation has to be functionally and objectively different from "meaningless figurehead."

- The explanation can't use the term/concept "Continuity of government."

A mummy head of state and a daddy love each other a lot and have special cuddles and a new head of state is delivered by the stork. That little child will grow up happily after ever.

Puppycow · 9th September 2022, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Question: The Queen greeted the new PM Tuesday afternoon in the traditional manner. She wasn't bedridden, she wasn't in a wheelchair, no one has claimed that she appeared impaired. By Thursday she was dead. That's an awfully speedy departure. No one has suggested that she had a heart attack or a stroke or was hit by a bus. No one has claimed that she had a severe long-term illness like cancer that could turn south abruptly. Is there any serious speculation that she might have been assisted?

My Aunt passed away recently and it was very sudden. We had been visiting with her every week on a Zoom call, and there was no sign whatsoever on our last call with her that she was in anything but fine health. However, she was 85. Her son found her in her chair, apparently doing some scrapbooking when she died. No autopsy was performed, but the most likely causes would be either heart failure or a stroke I think. Nobody knows for sure because like I said, there was no autopsy.

So it doesn't surprise me that she might have been just fine on Tuesday and dead on Thursday. These things can happen quite suddenly to people of advanced age, with little or no warning.

JoeMorgue · 9th September 2022, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

A mummy head of state and a daddy love each other a lot and have special cuddles and a new head of state is delivered by the stork. That little child will grow up happily after ever.

I thought Head of State was that thing a Mummy of State only did for a Daddy of State on his birthday of if she wanted new jewelry.

The Fool · 9th September 2022, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Tell you what.

- Explain it to me like I'm 5.

- The explanation has to be functionally and objectively different from "meaningless figurehead."

- The explanation can't use the term/concept "Continuity of government."

Depending on if your 5 year condition allows it you should google “Westminster system” and read until it’s your bedtime.

Darat · 9th September 2022, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

My Aunt passed away recently and it was very sudden. We had been visiting with her every week on a Zoom call, and there was no sign whatsoever on our last call with her that she was in anything but fine health. However, she was 85. Her son found her in her chair, apparently doing some scrapbooking when she died. No autopsy was performed, but the most likely causes would be either heart failure or a stroke I think. Nobody knows for sure because like I said, there was no autopsy.

So it doesn't surprise me that she might have been just fine on Tuesday and dead on Thursday. These things can happen quite suddenly to people of advanced age, with little or no warning.

Always been surprised when people say of very elderly folk, “What did they die of?” As if “being very old” isn’t enough.

JoeMorgue · 9th September 2022, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by The Fool

Depending on if your 5 year condition allows it you should google “Westminster system” and read until it’s your bedtime.

I should have put "In your own words."

JoeMorgue · 9th September 2022, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Always been surprised when people say of very elderly folk, “What did they die of?” As if “being very old” isn’t enough.

Can't remember the comedian in question but I heard a bit that was to the effect of:

"My 102 year old grandmother died."
"Oh I'm so sorry, what did she die of?"
"She was a 102 what do you think? A tragic skateboard accident at the X-Games?"

Dave Rogers · 9th September 2022, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

So it doesn't surprise me that she might have been just fine on Tuesday and dead on Thursday. These things can happen quite suddenly to people of advanced age, with little or no warning.

My father got up one morning this March, had a pleasant breakfast with my mother, then at about 9am he collapsed. She called the ambulance, they took him to hospital, and he died at 10:30. He was 92, and his heart had basically just run out of beats. Two days from frail but functional to dead doesn't seem the least implausible to me.

Dave

ThatGuy11200 · 9th September 2022, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

I saw a rumour that she had had a fall, hence the suddenness. In addition, she seemed to have rapidly lost a lot of weight, which could point to cancer.

Or, that she was 96 and had recently lost her husband of 73 years.

Rolfe · 9th September 2022, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

My father got up one morning this March, had a pleasant breakfast with my mother, then at about 9am he collapsed. She called the ambulance, they took him to hospital, and he died at 10:30. He was 92, and his heart had basically just run out of beats. Two days from frail but functional to dead doesn't seem the least implausible to me.

That's not a bad way to go.

There is usually something. But when the death is unsuspicious and the person is of such an age that "something" isn't unexpected, holding a full post mortem is in nobody's interests.

The Fool · 9th September 2022, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I should have put "In your own words."

Dammit I knew I should have spent the last week of my life writing a treatise on the Westminster system suitable for a 5 year old……can you ever forgive me?

Tell you what….if you can give me your question in the form of a Socratic essay understandable by an alcoholic I’ll consider it

TragicMonkey · 9th September 2022, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Always been surprised when people say of very elderly folk, “What did they die of?” As if “being very old” isn’t enough.

My great-grandfather was only 94 when he died from being struck by lightning.

9th September 2022, 04:49 AM	#361
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9th September 2022, 04:50 AM	#362
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Originally Posted by Rolfe Mourning route? Oh hell, there's a good chance the village where I live is on that. Can't they just shove her on a plane? As far as this all being planned for is concerned, you'd think so, wouldn't you? Just like you'd think a serious pandemic would be planned for... Originally Posted by Worm Can't find it again now, but saw a report that the previously planned route of returning the Queen's body to London, via the Royal train, will now not go ahead, and the RAF will fly her down. Security considered to be an issue on a long journey apparently. Maybe someone was listening.
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9th September 2022, 04:51 AM	#363
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9th September 2022, 04:52 AM	#364
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Originally Posted by Darat I’m getting really peeved of by being told how I am feeling. And being told even those not in agreement with monarchy think she was a saint… No I don’t. Darat, pro tip. Stop listening to the bloody BBC. Or at least turn on a radio station where they won't bother mentioning it. (Radio 3 hasn't said a word in my hearing yet today, though I expect the upcoming news bulletin might mention it.)
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9th September 2022, 04:52 AM	#365
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Originally Posted by Darat Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother warm? On which planet?
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9th September 2022, 04:58 AM	#366
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,092	Originally Posted by Rolfe On which planet? Planet of the Social Climbers?
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9th September 2022, 04:59 AM	#367
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9th September 2022, 05:02 AM	#368
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	When someone who was reverenced dies, it really brings out the true nature of those who opposed their views. May she rest in peace, after a long life of being an inspiration to many.

9th September 2022, 05:02 AM	#369
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,092	Originally Posted by Rolfe She didn't like social climbers. Other social climbers.
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9th September 2022, 05:03 AM	#370
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,092	Originally Posted by Warp12 When someone who is reverenced dies, it really brings out the true nature of those who oppose their views. May she rest in peace, after a long life of being an inspiration to many. Death is not some great cleanser.
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9th September 2022, 05:04 AM	#371
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers Monarch's Counsel might be a bit confusing... Dave According to the radio news, court sittings today at the Old Bailey began "in the name of the King" and the QCs have all instantaneously become KCs.
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9th September 2022, 05:05 AM	#372
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Originally Posted by Warp12 When someone who was reverenced dies, it really brings out the true nature of those who opposed their views. May she rest in peace, after a long life of being an inspiration to many. Inspiration in what way? Were people being inspired to get themselves born into immense wealth and privilege?
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9th September 2022, 05:07 AM	#373
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,037	Originally Posted by The Atheist Nope, not my kind of music. In other news, it looks like the Queen's still dead. Mike Hosking is a right-wing moron, and I'd lay odds he was putting it on for his listeners, who would be monarchists almost to a Zimmer frame. Given Charlie I being executed and #II poisoning himself with mercury, I'd have thought Charles wasn't an idea regnal name. Plenty of precedent for changing it. Why did they call him Charles in the first place, then?
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9th September 2022, 05:09 AM	#374
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,092	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Why did they call him Charles in the first place, then? Lost a bet? Philip got drunk on the way to register the birth? Some magic being told them?
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9th September 2022, 05:27 AM	#375
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9th September 2022, 05:31 AM	#376
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,609	Originally Posted by Rolfe Darat, pro tip. Stop listening to the bloody BBC. Or at least turn on a radio station where they won't bother mentioning it. (Radio 3 hasn't said a word in my hearing yet today, though I expect the upcoming news bulletin might mention it.) It's not just the Beeb though. I can't go near some bits of the internet at the moment.

9th September 2022, 05:35 AM	#377
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	I need to go to the Co-op for some bread and milk. Can't put it off any longer. If I see a book of condolence or any flowers that aren't actually on sale, I may vomit.
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9th September 2022, 05:38 AM	#378
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,609	Originally Posted by Warp12 When someone who was reverenced dies, it really brings out the true nature of those who opposed their views. May she rest in peace, after a long life of being an inspiration to many. The word you are struggling for is "revered". And, no, not everyone revered her nor found her an inspiration. We did not fall for the hype and we know the history of our country and how the aristocracy obtained and maintained their positions of power and privilege. And it would be hypocritical to suddenly pretend otherwise now. FFS, all the women in my immediate family did more for the folk of this country than Brenda: teachers, nurses, physios and the like, who actually worked for a living, rather than having dinner a lot. I'd love someone to explain all the "work" Brenda did and what exactly is "inspirational" about having 3 months off every summer to doss around Balmoral, shooting grouse, then wearing floral cretone frocks. As I said earlier, any grief is for her family and her family alone. It doesn't need to be shoved in the face of everyone else. It's all this nonsense which really gives the lie to the British stiff upper lip and not showing emotion.

9th September 2022, 05:40 AM	#379
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Why do people call her Brenda? That's a mystery to me.
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9th September 2022, 05:43 AM	#380
Worm Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,511	Private Eye. They refer to Charles as 'Brian'
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9th September 2022, 05:44 AM	#381
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	I'm still struggling to join up these dots.
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9th September 2022, 05:44 AM	#382
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,092	Originally Posted by Rolfe Why do people call her Brenda? That's a mystery to me. Private Eye started to use it as a joke, don’t know when but must have been many decades ago and it caught on. ETA:Apparently it was following that documentary that showed them being an ordinary family back in the 1960s, it was taking the piss making it sound like they were a working class family. (Lets not cringe at how the elite of PE thought about “the” working class at the time.)
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9th September 2022, 05:44 AM	#383
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Ah. I've often heard it but I never knew where it started.
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9th September 2022, 05:46 AM	#384
Worm Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,511	I think it was after the documentary in .. late 60s/early 70s? that showed the Royals in their 'daily life' (all carefuly scripted of course), and the Eye sort of gave them 'normal' nicknames, like they were just a family on Emmerdale or soemthing.
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9th September 2022, 05:50 AM	#385
Myriad The Clarity Is Devastating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Betwixt Posts: 19,977	Originally Posted by Rolfe Mourning route? Oh hell, there's a good chance the village where I live is on that. Can't they just shove her on a plane? As far as this all being planned for is concerned, you'd think so, wouldn't you? Just like you'd think a serious pandemic would be planned for... Originally Posted by Worm Can't find it again now, but saw a report that the previously planned route of returning the Queen's body to London, via the Royal train, will now not go ahead, and the RAF will fly her down. Security considered to be an issue on a long journey apparently. Pity. What a great opportunity for Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond, and James May to reunite for one last* epic drive. "Now, clearly the first thing we must do is modify our Minis to be proper Royal Hearses..." *Yes I know, they're still doing Grand Tour specials, but this would be far more epic.
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9th September 2022, 05:50 AM	#386
The Fool Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 14,971	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King The word you are struggling for is "revered". And, no, not everyone revered her nor found her an inspiration. We did not fall for the hype and we know the history of our country and how the aristocracy obtained and maintained their positions of power and privilege. And it would be hypocritical to suddenly pretend otherwise now. FFS, all the women in my immediate family did more for the folk of this country than Brenda: teachers, nurses, physios and the like, who actually worked for a living, rather than having dinner a lot. I'd love someone to explain all the "work" Brenda did and what exactly is "inspirational" about having 3 months off every summer to doss around Balmoral, shooting grouse, then wearing floral cretone frocks. As I said earlier, any grief is for her family and her family alone. It doesn't need to be shoved in the face of everyone else. It's all this nonsense which really gives the lie to the British stiff upper lip and not showing emotion. Personally I blame your lack of understanding of the term “head of state” and the responsibilities it entails.
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9th September 2022, 06:11 AM	#387
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 33,719	Originally Posted by Worm I think it was after the documentary in .. late 60s/early 70s? that showed the Royals in their 'daily life' (all carefuly scripted of course), and the Eye sort of gave them 'normal' nicknames, like they were just a family on Emmerdale or soemthing. I got the impression it was also thought to be helpful in fending off libel suits. Dave
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9th September 2022, 06:17 AM	#388
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,031	Originally Posted by The Fool Personally I blame your lack of understanding of the term “head of state” and the responsibilities it entails. Tell you what. - Explain it to me like I'm 5. - The explanation has to be functionally and objectively different from "meaningless figurehead." - The explanation can't use the term/concept "Continuity of government."
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9th September 2022, 06:19 AM	#389
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,092	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Tell you what. - Explain it to me like I'm 5. - The explanation has to be functionally and objectively different from "meaningless figurehead." - The explanation can't use the term/concept "Continuity of government." A mummy head of state and a daddy love each other a lot and have special cuddles and a new head of state is delivered by the stork. That little child will grow up happily after ever.
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9th September 2022, 06:22 AM	#390
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 27,884	Originally Posted by Bob001 Question: The Queen greeted the new PM Tuesday afternoon in the traditional manner. She wasn't bedridden, she wasn't in a wheelchair, no one has claimed that she appeared impaired. By Thursday she was dead. That's an awfully speedy departure. No one has suggested that she had a heart attack or a stroke or was hit by a bus. No one has claimed that she had a severe long-term illness like cancer that could turn south abruptly. Is there any serious speculation that she might have been assisted? My Aunt passed away recently and it was very sudden. We had been visiting with her every week on a Zoom call, and there was no sign whatsoever on our last call with her that she was in anything but fine health. However, she was 85. Her son found her in her chair, apparently doing some scrapbooking when she died. No autopsy was performed, but the most likely causes would be either heart failure or a stroke I think. Nobody knows for sure because like I said, there was no autopsy. So it doesn't surprise me that she might have been just fine on Tuesday and dead on Thursday. These things can happen quite suddenly to people of advanced age, with little or no warning.
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9th September 2022, 06:28 AM	#391
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,031	Originally Posted by Darat A mummy head of state and a daddy love each other a lot and have special cuddles and a new head of state is delivered by the stork. That little child will grow up happily after ever. I thought Head of State was that thing a Mummy of State only did for a Daddy of State on his birthday of if she wanted new jewelry.
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9th September 2022, 06:39 AM	#392
The Fool Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 14,971	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Tell you what. - Explain it to me like I'm 5. - The explanation has to be functionally and objectively different from "meaningless figurehead." - The explanation can't use the term/concept "Continuity of government." Depending on if your 5 year condition allows it you should google “Westminster system” and read until it’s your bedtime.
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9th September 2022, 06:41 AM	#393
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,092	Originally Posted by Puppycow My Aunt passed away recently and it was very sudden. We had been visiting with her every week on a Zoom call, and there was no sign whatsoever on our last call with her that she was in anything but fine health. However, she was 85. Her son found her in her chair, apparently doing some scrapbooking when she died. No autopsy was performed, but the most likely causes would be either heart failure or a stroke I think. Nobody knows for sure because like I said, there was no autopsy. So it doesn't surprise me that she might have been just fine on Tuesday and dead on Thursday. These things can happen quite suddenly to people of advanced age, with little or no warning. Always been surprised when people say of very elderly folk, “What did they die of?” As if “being very old” isn’t enough.
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9th September 2022, 06:41 AM	#394
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,031	Originally Posted by The Fool Depending on if your 5 year condition allows it you should google “Westminster system” and read until it’s your bedtime. I should have put "In your own words."
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9th September 2022, 06:42 AM	#395
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,031	Originally Posted by Darat Always been surprised when people say of very elderly folk, “What did they die of?” As if “being very old” isn’t enough. Can't remember the comedian in question but I heard a bit that was to the effect of: "My 102 year old grandmother died." "Oh I'm so sorry, what did she die of?" "She was a 102 what do you think? A tragic skateboard accident at the X-Games?"
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