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OK you are at this stage entirely correct based on the fact that I have not gone public with my claims.
So, until then the only witness is as you say, is me—but I have a witness that you do not know. So, until then I will be the only witness referring to the Scriptures as the means of understanding prophecy. You SEE it is the Creator that must validate his prophetic declarations. So the signs will be my witness---Hebrews 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. So the Creator must testify to his word being final. So this is how the END will announce the beginning. But you are wrong about my knowledge of the Scriptures—it is as I have said, you do not understand the prophetic content in the Scriptures, that is why you make such ridiculous statement concerning my knowledge of the Scriptures. |
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"Signs" are not witnesses.
1) Made up his own definition for the word "witness" 2) Claims another poster is wrong 3) Made up his own definition for the word "knowledge" 4) Claims another poster does not understand 5) Made up his own definition for the word "prophetic" 6) Claims another poster makes ridiculous statement 7) Made up his own definition for the word "knowledge" ************ This is only the first day of the game(!) clearly there is not enough money, to buy enough alcohol, to play along with PB!! |
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No, I said you claimed to be your own witness. You obviously cannot witness on behalf of yourself, so my position is that you have no valid witnesses.
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It seems Paul Bethke has some ideological allies in the Trump Family:
“I mean, to me, they’re not even people,” [Eric] Trump said of congressional Democrats investigating Trumps campaign’s ties to the Russia. |
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Prophecy is the understanding of the Scriptures in the current time.
In the past men were not given to understanding prophecy because they had neglected the most important decree that the Creator had put in place for all people for all time, AND that is a sanctified marriage, where a man and woman would never divorce, and the structure in society to maintain this. So, because the SO-called Church never maintained this teaching, they lost the power to establish this injunction. The stance of the Church on this matter proves me correct. True the Creator is not human, so he must work through a human, and he must bear witness to that human as being his witness. This is collaborated in Scripture---Isaiah_43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I AM he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. So the first step is to prove that Yahweh is the ONLY Creator and there is no other. Then to establish his WORD as the only law (Torah) by which people will live. Jesus then comes as a witness to confirm the WORD of Yahweh as the ONLY word by which people will live by, and he sends his disciples into the whole world to carry this out. Act_1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." Now the Church has faltered on the way and is no longer the witnesses to what Jesus decreed. This being the case I now become the witness to establish the Scriptures as the authentic WORD of the Creator, and now the Creator will confirm this with signs and wonders as outlined in the Scriptures. Paul the Apostle had the same experience in that he did not consult with others---Gal 1:15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, |
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This is not the definition of prophesy in any dictionary, nor how the word is used in Scripture.
Stop bearing false witness.
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Jesus may have mentioned something about treating others as you yourself would want to be treated. Your obsession with sex doesn't make the list.
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Several thousands of years and there has been no definitive proof of any deity.
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Not that what happened was a real sacrifice, with God giving Himself to himself so He could do what He wants to do anyways, but whatever floats your boat.
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Seriously, you have 0 followers, and you are generally mocked and shunned for your interpretation of Scripture - you aren't going to establish squat at this rate.
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Paul didn't consult with others because he wanted ALL the power for himself. By claiming a divine revelation to preach to the Gentiles, he greatly expanded his base of potential followers, unlike James the Just who limited himself to Jews in accordance with Jewish tradition and was therefore far more restricted in his power base. |
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Thou Shalt Maybe Kill: 5 Bible Facts Everyone Gets Wrong
While an entertaining read, the section "The Rapture Isn't In The Bible" is particularly relevant to this thread. It also serves as a nice reminder that a good deal of the "End Times" nonsense spewed by televangelists and other con men is more "editorial creativity" than responsible Biblical scholarship. |
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I generally put it down to, "All these other religions have End Of The World stories. Why can't we have one too?"
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Paul remember "pride goeth before a fall." Also you might have some concern as to how God thinks of you.
The Pharisee and the Tax Collector 9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed[a] thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.” |
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First you do not know how I started off, there can be no pride on my part, if you know what pride is.
All people have pride it is part of our life, but few can take pride in themselves, because everything we have comes from the accumulation of others. I can take pride in my knowledge of electrical generation, but must take note that it is based on the progress made by others, and not exclusively on my achievement. The same can be said of the faith, I base my faith on what is given and not on what I achieved in myself. I have to acknowledge each and every individual in the Scriptures for their faith—that is why faith is a gift—the Creator gives us commands and we in faith obey these commands. So, without these commands we cannot have faith. (1Co_4:7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? ) So, it is not pride in my achievements, but confidence in the faith.that I keep, as Paul the Apostle stated-- 2Timothy_4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. [ So we who love the Creator keep the faith, which is the giver of all things, including the faith that we keep. (Rom_5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. (Ephesians_2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—) So I am a defender of the true faith in Christ.( Jude_1:3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the Saints. So I am about the original FAITH—not this substitute!!! |
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Pride - Noun
1. a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired. 2. a social group of lions. We know what pride is because we have access to dictionaries and know how to use them. Unlike others who just make up their own definitions.... I would find that your claims here DO reflect pride on your part. You have claimed to have "perfect understanding" of Scripture, to be the one who will bring about the reformation of the Church, to be part of a select spiritual choir, etc. All of this perfectly captures the first meaning of "pride." The problem is that your feelings in this case are not based on any objective reality. You are routinely corrected on the meaning of various scriptural passages, the history and sociology of Bronze and Iron Age Middle Eastern societies and the basic meanings of words, which demonstrates that you do not have a perfect understanding. Your excessive pride causes you to double down on perpetuating your lack of understanding, asserting that people with demonstrated knowledge are not as enlightened as yourself. A humble person would recognize their own lack of knowledge or expertise and attempt to learn from others, adjusting their understanding to fit the facts, rather then insisting that the facts are wrong because they do not coincide with their prejudices.
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1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something; 2. strong belief in religious doctrine, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. Faith is not a gift from someone or something to you, it is a gift that you give to others - your belief in them to be able to do something, based on nothing more then your feelings. |
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I know what pride is; there's no point in you trying to redefine it to get out of it. And yes, you're by far the most prideful Christian claimant I've ever met. And you're actually the second person I've met who claims to be a prophet of God. The first was the Mormon prophet of several years ago, who spoke at the funeral of a friend. Let that sink in.
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Signs of the (Christian) end times. Which is, given the current participants, Paul Bethke's personal theories about the Christian end times. Which are, given Mr Bethke's well established nature, mostly involved with Bethke's claims of having a special role in the end times and preparing for them. Also adultery. Plenty of adultery.
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Every entry would just read "see Adultery."
But yes, Bethke's arguments rely quite heavily on redefining common words and then gaslighting people into accepting them. "You don't know what ______ is, which is why you post such outrageous things." We do see this a lot in various reformist Christian traditions. "When the Bible says ________, this can figuratively mean..." and we're off to the races. So we don't necessarily have to individualize the argument here except perhaps to note that Bethke does it a lot more than usual.
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But in a larger sense, I think the "end times" rhetoric plays a big part in Fundamentalist rhetoric. They're literally trying to scare their followers into membership and obedience. Spend some time in the American south; it's frightening. I grew up in the Bible belt. It was all about Satan lurking around every corner, waiting to entrap you, and dire warnings about where you'll be when the trumpet sounds. I also lived through the Cold War, under the real threat of nuclear annihilation. Not even close to the sphincter-clenching rhetoric I heard coming from Fundamentalist doomsayers. |
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You assert that sex constitutes a marriage. Does oral sex count? I'm trying to figure out who I'm "really" married to according to your criteria, and the question of what exactly constitutes a "you're married now" interaction is highly relevant. Does digital insertion count as a "marriage?" Fellatio? Cunnilingus? Rimming? Lesbians with strap-ons, are they married now? |
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Perhaps you are trying to be very clever—but you should know the answer.
Sex between a man and his wife should be pure—outside of this marriage it is as termed in Scripture as lewd. Ezekiel_24:13 "'Now your impurity is lewdness. Because I tried to cleanse you but you would not be cleansed from your impurity, you will not be clean again until my wrath against you has subsided. Rev 17:5 This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev_17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. So purity in marriage is not based on the filth in the world--so where do you stand>? |
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But I have no follows—I merely state what is written.
So, you reported me to the moderators, because I said you do not understand prophecy, which you do not. Many people read literature which they do not understand, like this example--Acts 8:30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. "Do you understand what you are reading?" Philip asked. Act 8:31 "How can I," he said, "unless someone explains it to me?" So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. So, I compare you to the eunuch. |
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The Creator as it is written is grieved by the unholy conduct of people—therefor he give precepts of how people should conduct themselves in order to become holy and remain holy.
Two adults consenting does not make the act holy it is a man and his wife in a sanctified marriage. It is said as is recorded--- Jas_1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Ezr 9:11 For we have disregarded the commands you gave through your servants the prophets when you said: 'The land you are entering to possess is a land polluted by the corruption of its peoples. By their detestable practices they have filled it with their impurity from one end to the other. To keep oneself from pollution is to keep the commands of the Creator---so when you follow the detestable practices committed in the world, you destine yourself to hell. Romans_12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. |
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