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20th August 2017, 09:44 AM | #361 |
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What lie? Get your facts straight. You are the nasty one - accusing me of lying when I did not. I never said he DOES think people turn into mushrooms. I suggested he might - let him correct the impression he gives me. What does he think fungus does? Again I ask - How does a systemic fungus kill? Abbadon gives the impression he is an authority on many subjects including this one. |
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So, abaddon how do people die of a fungal infection?
BTW: I am hearing of more and more people getting sick more frequently and for longer periods. Brother and his wife in NZ: Flu for seven weeks. Our gardener. Mumps for two weeks despite childhood inoculation. Swine flu now circulating here in SA. Chicken farms getting struck with Avian flu. As just some examples. If you want to avoid the question once more, the last bit should give you an out. |
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Are you asking to challenge abaddon or because you do not understand yourself? http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/inf...gal-infections Confirmation bias. You're paying more attention so you're more likely to notice illnesses spreading. Besides, it's not like it matters as far as your newspaper horoscope "prediction" is concerned. Your "prediction" was too vague to be worth consideration. Criswell has more credibility than you:
I'd call you a "Pocket Criswell" but that would be insulting to both Criswell and the Pocket Fisherman. Then there's the fact that you're "prediction" was scooped by the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...erculosis.html I guess that makes Victoria Woollaston a prophet too, eh? |
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And where does it mention the mechanism of death?
You cite a link as the be-all and end-all. Extract please. In fact, do you know any report that lists the cause of death as "histoplasmosis"? Give me just one example of a how a person with histoplasmosis died where one could attribute the death directly to the fungus.. I used to think I might get some intelligent feedback on this site. That hope is rapidly fading. |
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Each of the links on http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/inf...gal-infections about different kinds of fungal infections discusses the mechanisms of death. For example, if you click the Aspergillosis links you see:
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No, I offered it without commentary and with a vague context. I knew it provided a collection of links that would address the question of how fungal infections cause death, but I also knew you would not bother clicking any of those links. I posted it to deliberately bait you, and you took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Thank you for dancing to my tune. Histoplasmosis
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Epidemiology of Histoplasmosis Outbreaks, United States, 1938–2013 Here's a case study about one poor soul who was killed by it. A case study of disseminated histoplasmosis linked to common variable immunodeficiency It's important to keep in mind that diseases like AIDS rarely kill by themselves, but allow opportunistic infections to take root and do the killing. One possible course for a death from "AIDS related symptoms" would be AIDS weakening the immune system, allowing a chronic histoplasmosis infection to develop. The fungal fiber bundle destroys lung tissue, which in turn can cause death in a number of ways. If you want to get really, really, REALLY technical about it, nobody ever dies "directly" from an infection but from the complications of that infection. Bacteria can produce toxins that destroy cell tissue. Histoplasmosis can cause you to literally drown in you own blood from lung damage. Bacterial infections can cause a fatal level of pressure to build up in your skull or spinal column. Here's a CDC study about a portion of the USA where the disease is relatively common: Histoplasmosis Statistics It doesn't discuss the mechanism of death, but it does discuss fatality statistics:
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Literature Review and Case Histories of Histoplasma capsulatum var. duboisii Infections in HIV-infected Patients Case Studies in Infectious Disease: Histoplasma Capsulatum HIV-Associated Histoplasmosis Early Mortality and Incidence Trends: From Neglect to Priority HISTOPLASMOSIS: A HOOSIER CONCERN Nonsense. You're getting plenty of intelligent feedback, you're just getting your bloomers in a knot over that feedback disagreeing with your delusions about being a prophet. If you want to be taken seriously, take your vague newspaper horoscope "prophesies," dress them up with phrases about "ascending Mars" and peddle them in venues where astrology is taken seriously. If you're lucky you MIGHT find some people there stupid enough to not point out your predictions are too vague to be worthwhile. |
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I read all your links. I saw nothing new. Different fungi have very different clinical presentations. And they are very dependent on how the infection occurs. Some are are easy to spot and easy to test for. Histo has two types. American (var. capsulatum) and African (var. duboisii). There are two basic modes of infection - acute and systemic. The systemic (which is the fatal kind if untreated) usually only affects people who are immune-compromised (HIV typically). In immune-compromised the symptoms are severe and obvious. In immune-competent they are not. There can be nothing on the x-rays, and nothing on the lymph nodes, and negative on the cultures of blood or urine. It is this fungus which kills by inflammation of organs and tissues that can be mild enough to avoid needing a consult but can cause cancer or heart attacks. Since cancer and heart attacks are the leading causes of death, no-one bothers to think whether a fungus was a primary cause. This is the stealth mechanism I am referring to. Do a dark-field microscopy of ones blood and one can see the presence of fungus in most people. It looks like a loose ball of cotton wool. |
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For untreated disseminated systemic histoplasmosis it is 100% fatal within 2 years. This is what most sites will tell you. I have no testable signs such as spots on xrays but I cannot get off the anti-fungal drug. If I stop, I get quite sick within 3-7 days. I have been on it for 6 years.
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What's your point?
What does any of that have to do with your newspaper horoscope prophesies? What is the "anti-fungal drug" you're taking? Could you be experiencing withdrawal effects form the drug and not necessarily a fungal infection? |
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So, foot fungus is a sign of the apocalypse?
Sorry. Just trying to drag the thread back on topic. This signature is intended to irritate people. |
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23rd August 2017, 12:15 PM | #376 |
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Topic? In this thread?
Sorry, but this thread has never been anything more than a rotating cast of failed "prophets" excreting newspaper horoscope themed nonsense and getting pissy when we didn't bow down and hail them as the new Moses. This thread is nothing more than a Jesus and Brimstone flavored version of a this: But with the "magician" getting their bloomers in a knot when we don't think they're performing actual miracles. Predicting there will eventually be a pandemic somewhere on Earth that may or may not involve a fungal infection is not Magic. |
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Zimbabwe's T Madungwe would fit in well with the other claimants in this thread:
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The point is that fungal infections can damage organs, cause heart failure, cause cancer and repress the immune system. If a variant becomes transmittable and/or combines with other pathogens then we could have a "silent" outbreak similar to AIDs but not spread via sexual contact. If it is drug resistant, then the world has a serious problem.
I am taking itraconazole. At half maximum dose daily, but there are times I go to maximum dose. Withdrawal? Interesting thought. The key symptoms of the infection are pain and nausea, and at this point can recognize them. I will search for withdrawal symptoms though. |
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Fair enough. That said, just about anything can become a pandemic with the right mutations. Common brewing and baking yeast can take root in the gut and bloodstream of immune compromised individuals causing a disease known as "auto-brewery syndrome." Blood glucose is literally being fermented into alcohol in the gut and bloodstream. A mutation that allows yeast to do that in healthy people would result in a pandemic of people walking around drunk as they starved to death at the cellular level. Have you ever played the game "Pandemic" in either digital or board game form? You seem to be RPGing it in this thread. JESUS CHRIST MAN! How long have you been on it? What other medications are you taking and have you had both your doctor and your pharmacist explicitly check for known drug interactions? How often are you having liver panels done? Every month? Every six weeks? |
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This stuff isn't intended for long term use.
https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a692049.html
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My GP prescribes and gives me blood tests every so often (about once a year). He has treated cavers who get the disease and he works at the university on hyperbaric research. The first pamphlets said that treatment duration was 6-12 months and up to 2 years, but that life long therapy may be required. I looked to see if I kept any of those but I did not. It seems that lifelong maintenance therapy is required for immuno-suppressed patients such as those with HIV. In the beginning I was tested for C-reactive protein which tests for inflammation. Mine was high and came down with the intraconazole. The symptoms I get if I stop are nausea and pain. If I stop for longer periods I can get the odd fungal growths that look like skin cancer. Also get a lot of mucus, even to the point of even foaming. Added to that would be groin and foot fungal outbreaks despite being very careful. My blood tests always come back as near perfect. I have good genes which is why I did not die before diagnosis. Histoplasmosis expert? None around. I went to the National Mycology labs to see a professor. They told me that I could not get disseminated histoplasmosis unless I had HIV. The online research makes it seem like the experts have this thing nailed. Not so. When one reads of cases that have gone undetected for a long time before the cause if finally found, one realizes that there are a huge number of symptoms, and a huge number of types of infection. There are 1.5 million varieties of fungus. 0.8 million have been identified. |
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Thanks for the sympathy. No problem on my side as to the exchange.
My problems with this fungus made me realize how doctors can overlook an underlying primary cause because the symptoms look first like flu, then like other medical afflictions, before causing heart attacks, cancer or organ failure. No-one thinks to check if there was an underlying fungal infection at post-mortem. So now, we can get back to woo-bashing me for my views. If God said to me that there will be a major pandemic, it seems like a stealth pathogen LIKE a fungus (or a fungus-like pathogen) is a candidate - because of my own experiences. Why else would he kill my wife, infect my son, and make me suffer? |
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Because he's a sadist? If there is an omnipotent god that would seem to be the most plausible explanation for the things he does/allows to happen.
Alternatively people who get sick just have rotten luck, and you have fooled yourself into believing that your Tarot reading hit rate is higher than should be expected. I guess time will tell. |
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Many of us have first- or secondhand experience with tragic medical conditions. We may disagree on the intellectual subjects we discuss, but we're not uncaring when it comes to the universal human condition.
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Have you READ the Bible cover to cover? God is violent, jealous, vindictive and capricious. The Old Testament is dripping with blood shed on his direct orders. His primary advantage over Zeus is he only raped and impregnated ONE underage girl. Randomly murdering a man's family and affliction that man with a persistent disease is the plot of the book of Job for crying out loud. Don't bother asking God, "Why?" You might as well as a scorpion why he stings. |
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I can think of plenty of occasions where it was necessary for God to intervene for the GREATER GOOD, yet he did not. The wholesale murder of six million of his chosen people, for example. The horrific deaths of a quarter of a million people in the Boxing Day tsunami. The deaths of about half the population of Europe from bubonic plague. And so on.
So when precisely did God override the laws of physics in order to intervene for the GREATER GOOD? You must know of a few examples (outside of myth and legend, of course) if you're seriously suggesting this, so let's have them. |
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Sure, that happens but that's not the point. The point is not man's free will, but God's capricious nature regardless of what man does.
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So if there is no God, then one has to assume that mankind consists of violent savages, and once mankind (helped by atheists) realizes there are no consequences for their actions they will cause the apocalypse all by themselves. Hmm. Your outlook on life and God is seen through blood-colored spectacles. |
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The plague - brought about the fall of the elite. Tsunami - collateral damage from a natural event (0.25 million out of 7 billion). Holocaust - has not stopped the Jews from believing in God or their chosen-ness. Many wars were brought to an end by disease. WW1 was one. War and strife are an impetus to scientific advancement. The weaker societies fall by the wayside. Has mankind not reached the pinnacle of human endeavor by the sum total of everything that has happened? Mankind is at a turning point. No God = Human extinction. But no God, no soul, who cares? |
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Once again: so when precisely did God override the laws of physics in order to intervene for the GREATER GOOD? You must know of a few examples (outside of myth and legend, of course) if you're seriously suggesting this, so let's have them.
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Utterly wrong. Altruism is not dependant upon belief in any god at all. Where, for example, do you get your moral compass? The bible? The Koran? Somewhere else?
Also utterly wrong. God wears the blood-coloured spectacles, being a capricious blood-thirsty savage. |
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I get my moral compass from two sources. One is from my parents - my mother was believing Christian. And the other is from the soul that guides my physical body.
Do you even have a moral compass? And if so, where did you get your principles from? God wears the spectacles? Oh, so there is a God! Just a bad one in your opinion. Better not get on the wrong side of him. |
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