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6th September 2017, 10:18 PM | #481 |
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6th September 2017, 11:41 PM | #484 |
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It would buy food and shelter for some of those currently without.
What was the expected chance hit rate (and how did you establish it), what was your actual hit rate, and was the latter greater than the former by a statistically significant amount? Show your working.
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7th September 2017, 02:43 AM | #485 |
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7th September 2017, 06:28 AM | #486 |
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It may not buy happiness, but it could provide credibility. Cheating the lottery requires a very different set of skills and insider contacts than cheating at horse race gambling. Having documented wins in enough areas would make consistent cheating astonishingly unlikely. Win enough and supernatural intervention or a time machine starts looking like the most likely explanation.
But then, you seem proud of the fact you can't prove anything you're claming about your newspaper horoscope "prophesies," so it's a moot point. Now, now, stop that socialist propaganda talk! You're making Supply Side Jesus cry! Republican Jesus is loading up his smiting rifle! Alt-Right Jesus, well, you don't want to know what he's up to, but advocating this whole "helping poor people" thing makes him really, REALLY angry. Go buy some more Prosperity Gospel DVDs and make sure to tithe to your local white-run Megachurch. |
7th September 2017, 06:33 AM | #487 |
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7th September 2017, 06:44 AM | #488 |
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Quite a few actually:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/tarot_cards As tempting as it is to copy and paste all of them, I think the URL and a couple representative examples is sufficient.
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7th September 2017, 06:49 AM | #489 |
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Sigh.
No matter what some deluded moron puts in the open space, sigh. We have not one scintilla of evidence for any god(s) yet some think they know the "mind" of an unevidenced entity, much less credible limits that would be in the least applicable to mortals. *It's "God's," not "Gods." |
7th September 2017, 09:19 AM | #490 |
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I should have clarified in my post. I quoted PS as saying it is "It is against Gods(sic) rules to provide.....proof...".
I know there are rules against divination, sorcery, etc., but PS said it is against the rules to provide PROOF. I want to know where he thinks those "rules" by his god, against providing PROOF, are exactly. |
7th September 2017, 09:27 AM | #491 |
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My apologies.
I have a few guesses, but I too would like to see her / his logic. There are some passages that can be used to justify such a claim. The problem is, those passages are in a book that's essentially a list of alleged proofs of a deity's existence. They come off as somewhat disingenuous, given their context. How can a deity refuse to provide proof when he sends bears to maul children for making fun of a prophet being bald? |
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Thanks for the references. The "old" books are outdated and require modern thinking to remove contradictions and outdated laws such as slaves and servants. What is required is to determine which parts require updating.
Example: Judaism has 613 commandments. Do they still follow them all? As for magic and divination, did the prophets not practice such things? Do you not think that the scribes of religious texts put in their own prohibitions against "false" magic? I do agree that there is false magic, but that should not outlaw good or genuine magic. Even modern law and modern science are subject to updating as morals and knowledge unfolds. Why should religions (note the plural) be exempt? The Ten Commandments are relevant today as are the parables of Jesus. So are the requirements in Judaism and Islam for giving to charity. Praying for goodness and redemption in all religions will never go out of fashion. They are core beliefs. |
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He does? You say. Prove it! So YOUR deity is "evil" because he lets the world carry on according to the laws of physics thus granting free will, and only intervenes now and then to either let people know (without proof) that he exists, or to subtly change the course of events away from absolute disaster? The argument that "because evil exists and bad things happen then God is defective" is illogical. One either has perfection (and boredom) or free will and a less than perfect world. Do you not see that? One decides on a physical "rule" by observation and logic. The rule against proof of the existence of the supernatural is decided in a similar fashion. As I have said before: "Don't like the rule, tough!" |
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This is called cherry-picking. It is when you disregard the bits you do not like. How convenient.
No jew EVER followed all 613 commandments. This is called cherry-picking. It is when you agree with the parts you like. How convenient. What is the difference between "false magic" and "genuine magic"? Religion is mythology. Science is not. Do try to keep up. Oh. Okay. So, according to your great wisdom, this is part of the (cherry-picked) bits that do not need "updating". Got it. BTW. Which version of the "Ten Commandments" is the "correct" one? Such as the racist "Good Samaritan" bit? Muslims and Jews will be relieved to know you have decided charity is not "outdated". Unlike your decision that Muslim and Jewish dietary laws ARE "outdated". http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=107 Does "goodness" include Tarot "readings" that could supply answers, according to you PS, from either "good" or "evil forces"? How do you know one from the other without "proof"? |
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So that we would believe you? If you don't want us to believe you, why did you make your initial claim, in the first place? Having made your claim, did you expect us to just take your word for it? Based on what, your reputation?
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Is there a specific religion to which you claim to adhere? You're all over the map. You came into a thread about Christian predictions of the End Times with a pandemic prediction, but you seem to be focused more upon the "My family suffered so millions are about to die" concept than anything specific to any given religion. You don't appear to have even Paul Bethke's third grade level Bible literacy, so I doubt you claim to be a Christian of any variety.
What exactly are you trying to discuss? You made some exceptionally lame "predictions" and seem to be getting pissy about the fact nobody thinks your "predictions" are even worth the term. There you go again, lying about what I'd written to try and make a point you think you can defend instead of actually responding to what I wrote. I'm glad you came clean a few pages back and confessed to the fact you're doing it deliberately, so we don't have to waste posts trying to explain what my actual point was to you or speculating on your reading comprehension skills. Your confession to being a deliberate liar has really streamlined the thread. |
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I'm merely responding in kind. It's very clear you're not taking this discussion seriously, so why should I?
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Of course, we all know you asked the question thinking you were lobbing out a "gotya" or perhaps just seeking the attention of a reply. I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, what religious tradition do you actually adhere to? You're far too ignorant of remedial Christina or Jewish theology to be a practitioner of either of those faiths. More accurately, what religion (if any) are you attaching to the character you're portraying in your posts here? |
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Dude, the lists are actually differnt. It goes WAAAAAY beyond your comically ignorant "wording and phrasing" line. One version lists specific feasts to observe, which is completely unrelated to the versions used by any modern Christian denominations. Getting smug about your ignorance makes you look even worse. You didn't score any points. you just made an even bigger fool of yourself.
Here is the Wikipedia article about the Ten Commandments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments It may be a bit advanced for your Bible knowledge level, but it's as good a staring place as any. Well, at least we now know you won't use your Biblically epic ignorance as an excuse when you're cast into the pit of fire for being a false prophet. |
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Try reading to the end of the piece. Not some proposition posed in the beginning. IMO it requires really biased and twisted logic to distort such a simple message: That there should be no differences when helping ones fellow man. Jesus was a Jew and the people not helping were obeying Jewish law. And the very religious Jews in Israel still hold grudges against the Amalekites and even debate whether one can kill them in cold blood - following the order of God to exterminate them. |
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Why do you not admit that anyone making a prediction based on "intuition" or possible influence from the supernatural is a "false prophet"? As for the pit of fire, I think the pot is calling the kettle black. Be specific about the differences, and how they are significantly different as understood by modern Christianity - not some verbose reference. |
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I do not admit to trolling, nor to lying.
The insults aimed at me on this site are quite amazing. No debate, just more insults. And although the rules say it is not allowed, somehow it just keeps coming. Your strategy is to attempt to drive me off the site, lest I influence those who have more of an open mind. I suppose I should heed this part of Biblical wisdom:
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Speaking as one who has neither insulted you, nor raged at you, it would be nice if you could keep your end of the bargain and actually debate me.
We could start here, rather than go over all the points you have run away from in the past. My question is this: what are your criteria for believing that some parts of the Bible are true, and others are not? The parts of the Bible quoted above have been completely disregarded by you, yet you come back with a quote from the same book, which you seem to think helps you. How are you discerning between the two? |
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Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!
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