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Old 19th November 2017, 03:01 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by ShamelessGit View Post
It is impossible to derive any ought statement from a purely rational or material basis. This follows pretty clearly from the is-ought logical fallacy. But what is a living creature, if not a sum of value judgement? If you didn't believe that there were things that you ought to do, then you would allow yourself to die in apathy. So life is impossible for a thinking organism without faith. Even if you are an atheist, you have faith in the value of your sensory perceptions, such as pain and pleasure. Therefore, from a strictly logical perspective, the only two options are nihilism (it is not possible to prove any kind of morality or purpose), or a worldview built on rationally unjustifiable faith in a set of values. There is no other logically consistent alternative. Unfortunately, most people don't think it through. The atheists and skeptics still argue that such a thing as morality exists, and the theists try to prove their faith by reason. Both are wrong.
That argument is as old as the hills of Sicily and it's as wrong now as the first time somebody said it.

There is -0- reason for an individual to profess faith in order to exist, and even outside of any religious framework, slavery, rape and murder is wrong - even where the book of fairy tales endorses it.
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