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Old 24th November 2018, 01:03 PM   #601
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People who only watch Fox probably also won't hear Richard Spencer say that antifa’s methods work!

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Old 24th November 2018, 03:47 PM   #602
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Facists aren't a Protected Class. Most common targets of Facists are.
Being willing and ready to protect those who by law deserve special protection against those who don't is, in my opinion, praiseworthy.
As I said in the "Trump 11" thread, there's a key factor here:

The reason fascists aren't a "protected class" is that they can always just stop being organized fascists. The people they target, usually don't have a choice. Jews under Hitler's reign couldn't just say "I renounce Judaism" and be okay. Many people that were lynched in the US were just black people who were just...around (and yeah, I'm counting that as a form of fascism). A lot of people deported in "Operation Wetback" were born US citizens. There's an essential difference between targeting people for what they do, and targeting them for what they are.

Richard Spencer could have sat around all day snarling at every ad that showed a white woman next to a black man, and I wouldn't care less. But since he decided to organize a violent hate movement, he someone ran up and punched him in the entire face, and I watched it repeatedly and laughed every time. And I'll say the same for Gavin McGinnis, and I'd laugh out loud if he got punched in the face like Spencer did. I'm not saying we suspend laws to allow anyone to do so - but really, that guy should be up on federal charges.

Also, from what I see, a lot of Antifa activity is just figuring out who various nazis on Twitter/Gab/"other platforms" are, and reporting them to their family and employers. Still retributive, but not violent.
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Old 24th November 2018, 05:55 PM   #603
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I used to be more against the idea of anti-fascist vigilantism, then I heard about situations like the 1958 Notting Hill Race Riots

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ed-912105.html

The Battle of Cable Street could be another example.
Exactly.

I'd rather it not get to that point, but...again, we're moving towards that point.

And I have no issue with either group of aggressors (at Notting Hill or Cable Street) being beaten back. marching through a neighborhood of minorities or oppressed people, specifically to decry said group, is aggression. Again, you can say that crap in you own home, with no issue. But they decided to organize, in order to intimidate.

No different that the Charlottesville hate mob.
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