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Old 16th March 2019, 06:47 PM   #1
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Mexico should have to pay for the wall

Its their citizens who are breaking the law. every type of person including criminals are sneaking into America. Most of them are not evil but some of them are. Murderers, child molesters, rapists, robbers etc have all crossed into the United States from Mexico.

Mexicans are also in danger from the American criminal element when they come to America. Heres and extreme example of what happened to a little ten year old Mexican girl. She was raped by a man in her apartment complex but her parents did not go to the police but they did take the child to the hospital because of her profuse bleeding from her vagina. The doctors were able to save her but she will never be able to bear a child as she was that badly injured.

The doctors did call the police and upon investigation an arrest was made. The man was tried and convicted and sentenced to twenty five years to life. Hopefully he'll never be released

Mexicans take jobs from Americans and bring wages down.
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Old 16th March 2019, 08:55 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Its their citizens who are breaking the law. every type of person including criminals are sneaking into America. Most of them are not evil but some of them are. Murderers, child molesters, rapists, robbers etc have all crossed into the United States from Mexico...

<<<SNIP>>>

...Mexicans take jobs from Americans and bring wages down.
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ETA: The great American southeast? Do you live in a State that borders Mexico? Just curious.
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Old 16th March 2019, 09:08 PM   #3
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This is a thread that should have died without a response.

Never mind.

The OP could have been penned by Donnie himself.
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Was the OP meant to be posted in the humour section?

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ETA: The great American southeast? Do you live in a State that borders Mexico? Just curious.
Ah, it is the humour section.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Heres and extreme example of what happened to a little ten year old Mexican girl. She was raped by a man in her apartment complex but her parents did not go to the police but they did take the child to the hospital because of her profuse bleeding from her vagina. The doctors were able to save her but she will never be able to bear a child as she was that badly injured.

The doctors did call the police and upon investigation an arrest was made. The man was tried and convicted and sentenced to twenty five years to life. Hopefully he'll never be released

That's obviously a bad thing that happened. No sane person would disagree.

But it has absolutely nothing to do with your premise.

A good way to stop the influx of illegal immigrants would be to enforce the current laws about not hiring illegal immigrants.

That is the last thing the corporations that own the Republicans want. Therefore they distract all of their redneck white trash voters will crap about a wall knowing full well that over 90% of illegal immigrants cross over at points of entry. Places where there will never be a wall.

If the wall is built, they act like it is a win and ignore the continued illegal immigration. And if the wall is not built, they blame the continued illegal immigration on it. Either way they keep their supply of cheap labor.
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Old 17th March 2019, 12:29 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post

Mexicans take jobs from Americans and bring wages down.
The people who are giving jobs to mexicans are US business owners.

The people who are bringing wages down are US business owners.

They are doing this to maximize their profits, and they don't give a crap if you are mexicans or USAians, they are going to exploit you to fill their wallets either way.
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Old 17th March 2019, 01:04 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Now, you're just messin' with us.





ETA: The great American southeast? Do you live in a State that borders Mexico? Just curious.
There's your answer.
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Old 17th March 2019, 01:45 AM   #8
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There's your answer.
Your irony meter is broken.
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Old 17th March 2019, 04:04 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Its their citizens who are breaking the law. every type of person including criminals are sneaking into America. Most of them are not evil but some of them are. Murderers, child molesters, rapists, robbers etc have all crossed into the United States from Mexico.

You didn't get it quite right, but almost. It's supposed to be:

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When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Trump just referred to one of his most infamous campaign comments calling Mexicans 'rapists' (Business Insider - Nordic, April 5, 2018)

(The "with us" seems to be the correct quotation. Just another example of Trump's word diarrhea.)
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Old 17th March 2019, 04:11 AM   #10
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Whoever wants the wall should pay for it. Same as it is ever was.
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Whoever wants the wall should pay for it. Same as it is ever was.
Same as it is ever was...
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Its their citizens who are breaking the law. every type of person including criminals are sneaking into America. Most of them are not evil but some of them are. Murderers, child molesters, rapists, robbers etc have all crossed into the United States from Mexico.
It's the responsibility of the state in question to regulate the entry of people into the territory that it controls, not the neighboring states.

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Mexicans are also in danger from the American criminal element when they come to America. Heres and extreme example of what happened to a little ten year old Mexican girl. She was raped by a man in her apartment complex but her parents did not go to the police but they did take the child to the hospital because of her profuse bleeding from her vagina. The doctors were able to save her but she will never be able to bear a child as she was that badly injured.

The doctors did call the police and upon investigation an arrest was made. The man was tried and convicted and sentenced to twenty five years to life. Hopefully he'll never be released
I don't see what that has to do with Mexico being the one to pay for "the wall".

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No they don't take jobs from Americans, it's Americans that take jobs from Americans and give them to Mexicans. Mexico can't be blamed for anything since it's Americans are who are doing it.
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Old 17th March 2019, 03:49 PM   #13
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they come to America. Heres and extreme example of what happened to a little ten year old Mexican girl.
How thoughtful of you - thinking of the children like that.

I can't imagine how the wall isn't being built on humanitarian grounds to stop that kind of horror happening.
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In that case, we had better keep ALL Mexicans from entering the US. Or do the rapists know who is here legally and who isn't? Do they check their victims' green cards before victimizing them? Do US citizens of Mexican descent get special "Do Not Rape" protection from rapists?

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Mexicans are also in danger from the American criminal element when they come to America.
Yes, and undocumented immigrants are less likely to report crimes for fear of being found out, which increases criminal activity - even their victims are causing crime!

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"When Mexicans take jobs, they're not taking our best jobs. They're not taking you. They're not taking you. They're taking jobs that have lots of problems, and they're taking those problems from us. They're taking drudgery. They're taking crap. They're raped. And some, I assume, are good jobs."
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I'm confused about why the OP even suggests this. According to no less an authority as Donald Trump, Mexico is already paying for the wall many times over. Unless he suggests that Trumps statement is somewhat less than truthful, and I am certain that POTUS would not lie over such a major issue. Certainly not Donald Trump.



“What we save on the USMCA — the new trade deal we have with Mexico and Canada — what we save on that, just with Mexico, will pay for the wall many times over just in a period of a year, two years and three years. … So I view that as, absolutely, Mexico is paying for the wall.”
— Trump, remarks during a news conference, Jan. 4, 2019

So why should they have to pay for it twice?



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For some reason, Trump loyalists don't mention making Mexico pay for the wall anymore.
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WOW! What amazing absurd fear mongering. Immigrants make up a smaller percentage of people who commit crimes than citizens do. That means you should fear your redneck American neighbormore than that Mexican immigrants picking the grapes or cherries or lettuce etc.

And the wall is the dumbest most moronically stupid way to attempt to control illegal immigration one could imgaine.

Yes, those immigrants are coming here for a better life. Just like our grandparents. Should we really be demonizing these people? If we want to control immigration, why not simply make it a crime to hire them? That is cruel too since we would be slamming the door on them. But the point is we would be stifling the demand.
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WOW! What amazing absurd fear mongering.
None of your facts bother Trumpanzees. They are mostly white people that are seeing equality as a threat, they see their loss of privilege as an attack on their rights. They see a country invaded by people who they believe are less worthy than them, the minorities, those who don't speak English, those who aren't Christian, those who aren't part of their tribe. Trump and Fox news tap into this fear and stoke it with their lies and they don't care the consequences as long as they retain their power and privilege.
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WOW! What amazing absurd fear mongering. Immigrants make up a smaller percentage of people who commit crimes than citizens do. That means you should fear your redneck American neighbor than that Mexican immigrants picking the grapes or cherries or lettuce etc.
We've been through this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you people still don't understand.
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Hitler had the Jews, Donnie Dumbspurs has the Mexicans. I mean, jeeze, what's a poor dictator supposed to do?
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We've been through this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you people still don't understand.
The problem isn't that I don't understand. It's that I understand too damn well. This is about creating irrational fears to generate votes. Trump is turning Mexican immigrants into the big bad boogeyman hiding in the closet.

It's racist nonsense.
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We've been through this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you people still don't understand.
If you mean you repeating racist nonsense then yes we have.
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We've been through this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you people still don't understand.
Explaining why we should be racist really won't work, because there isn't a good reason to be. It doesn't matter how many times you try, you won't convince many of us to hate brown people.
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None of your facts bother Trumpanzees. They are mostly white people that are seeing equality as a threat, they see their loss of privilege as an attack on their rights.

Their loss of privilige is imaginary. When you see the MAGA-hat-wearing white people standing in line to get into a Trump rally, it is very obvious that they aren't privileged. However, being poor or on the verge of poverty in the USA is shameful, so they prefer to imagine that somebody else, the no-so-white people, are to blame. Not the white billionaires who benefit from the Republican tax cuts.
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In that case, we had better keep ALL Mexicans from entering the US. Or do the rapists know who is here legally and who isn't? Do they check their victims' green cards before victimizing them? Do US citizens of Mexican descent get special "Do Not Rape" protection from rapists?

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And the way INS is violating the law to unlawfully deport people should send the message, this is america it is not a place for brown people.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...htmlstory.html

Obeying the law is clearly no protection against our government.
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And the way INS is violating the law to unlawfully deport people should send the message, this is america it is not a place for brown people.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...htmlstory.html

Obeying the law is clearly no protection against our government.
Committing crimes is no way to guarantee resident alien status. The article you linked is about a resident alien who committed a crime in the US years ago and is now up for deportation because of his illegal actions. He is not a US citizen.

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Committing crimes is no way to guarantee resident alien status. The article you linked is about a resident alien who committed a crime in the US years ago and is now up for deportation because of his illegal actions. He is not a US citizen.

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How about sending out fake court dates to people working with the system in a legal fashion?

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...ants-heres-why

We can all agree Mexicans coming here is as crazy as Jews going to Germany in 1936.
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INS is going to break up a family, deport a thirty-one year (legal) resident of the U.S., a man about to retire, because:
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In 2001, Jose Luis Garcia was convicted of a misdemeanor domestic violence charge...Garcia was picked up during a three-day operation targeting public safety threats in the L.A. area...
I hate seeing what my country is becoming. Take note of the only kinds of people who support this garbage. That tells you something right there.
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I don't think we (the US) can afford this proposal!

The US - Canada border dwarfs the US - Mexico border. When Canada demands we build a wall due to the criminality streaming across the border, that's going to have a serious price tag.
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INS is going to break up a family, deport a thirty-one year (legal) resident of the U.S., a man about to retire, because:


I hate seeing what my country is becoming. Take note of the only kinds of people who support this garbage. That tells you something right there.
He's eligible for cancellation of removal. So even those who commit criminal acts are sometimes forgiven if they've been here for 10 years. I agree, that does tell us something about our Country.

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How about sending out fake court dates to people working with the system in a legal fashion?

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...ants-heres-why

We can all agree Mexicans coming here is as crazy as Jews going to Germany in 1936.
Yep that was the wrong thing to do. They better get things working pronto as they can't blame the shutdown now.

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I think the whole immigration wedge issue is a good symptom of just how badly the worship of greed has twisted some people’s reality. Like who can really believe that a handful of poor, uneducated, desperate immigrants can drive down wages and drive up crime across the entire country and the handful of obscenely rich and politically connected generational family dynasties, independent billionaires, and the politicians they’re paying are completely at their mercy. Except they’re making more money than ever and are more concerned about repealing the estate tax. Maybe when your tax cuts expire and theirs don’t you’ll realize you’re footing the bill paid to crony contractors to keep out a boogie man.
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If I were a Mexican, I might be in favor Mexico building the wall just to keep the crazy Norteamericanos out....
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