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Old Yesterday, 01:38 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
SOmehow I doubt talking with ISIS is going to save lives.
Good job nobody mentioned them before you did, then.
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Old Yesterday, 01:38 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
Finally managed to authenticate signing the petition, as #1,411,868.
Mrs Don and I have been waiting for some time.....

....which prompts the question of how many others haven't been able to.
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Old Yesterday, 01:44 PM   #283
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If the petition gets to 17 million does it cancel Brexit by default?

I always get a bit dismayed by these petitions which seem to be the ultimate in 'doing something without actually doing anything'
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Old Yesterday, 01:45 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Mrs Don and I have been waiting for some time.....

....which prompts the question of how many others haven't been able to.
They seem to have rejiggered the website so that it does not auto-refresh as often - maybe every 1/2 hour? It showed no change for a while, then added about 100k votes, and just now added about another 50k - it is at 1,478,382 signatures right now.

So the front-facing website seems stable now, but the actual process of signing the petition might still be a problem.
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Old Yesterday, 01:52 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
They seem to have rejiggered the website so that it does not auto-refresh as often - maybe every 1/2 hour? It showed no change for a while, then added about 100k votes, and just now added about another 50k - it is at 1,478,382 signatures right now.

So the front-facing website seems stable now, but the actual process of signing the petition might still be a problem.
There was one point when the numbers were changing every few seconds without having to refresh the page.

The map view of the data certainly doesn't suggest anything iffy going on, as the hot-spots of higher numbers of signatures are exactly where you'd expect them to be.

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The problems we had were in waiting a good while to receive the authentication email (which went into junk, but we were expecting that), then many 'Error 502 - bad gateway' messages when clicking the authenticate link. We just left the email open and tried every 20 minutes.
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
On the BBC News just now, in introducing Bob Blackman MP (Con), it was said that he, "represents Harrow East; he voted to Leave originally, and has recently come round to backing [May's] deal." Absent was any mention of the fact that 52.52% of his constituents backed Remain (54.6% in Harrow as a whole). In contrast, Jim Fitzpatrick MP (Lab) was merely described as someone who had previously opposed May's deal, but now supported it. There was no mention that an estimated 65.79% of his constituents voted Remain.
What about Harriet Jones, MP for Flydale North?
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Old Yesterday, 02:18 PM   #288
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
Is that a challenge?

Because if you want to make it a competition, we Yanks might just give you Limeys a run for the money.

Which is probably more depressing than funny....
Both governments have already beaten any Czech government by a large margin... (And we had very good entrants)

Originally Posted by crescent View Post
They seem to have rejiggered the website so that it does not auto-refresh as often - maybe every 1/2 hour? It showed no change for a while, then added about 100k votes, and just now added about another 50k - it is at 1,478,382 signatures right now.

So the front-facing website seems stable now, but the actual process of signing the petition might still be a problem.
Quite sane. Those DB queries are not cheap, even if they are seemingly simple counts.
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Old Yesterday, 02:54 PM   #289
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
What about Harriet Jones, MP for Flydale North?
Looking increasingly tired...
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Old Yesterday, 03:31 PM   #290
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
Finally managed to authenticate signing the petition, as #1,411,868.
Two hours later it is at 2,002,343. Now that they've got the website working again they are getting about 250-300k signatures per hour.

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THE UK gets a postpoment:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47660019

I am betting in a few weeks, we will be at this same crisis point again, with no deal in sight.

I doubt that the MPs are going to pass the negotiated deal this time around.
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This is from Wikipedia: "Brexit is the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union, which is scheduled to take place on 22 May 2019 at 11 pm UK time after an extension was granted by the EU on March 21, 2019 contingent on the UK House of Commons approving some form of an exit agreement by 12 April 2019."

Also being reported by multiple news sources in the U.S., including the Washington Post.

Edited to add: "Beat me by this much" in a poor Don Adams imitation.
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Old Yesterday, 10:29 PM   #293
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I have also always found it a little strange that she seems to have become so passionately pro-Brexit after the referendum which, after all, was won by "Leave" with only a tiny majority of not even 52%, even though she personally chose "Remain". Respecting the people's choice is one thing (and this may indeed be important in a democracy). But avoiding possible economic catastrophe, and a lot of trouble of various kinds is another priority that an important leader like her cannot just ignore and forget.
I make two observations about this whole mess - which have probably been noted before elsewhere:

1. May should never have been tempted to start Article 50 after the general election result giving her a very shaky coalition. I think you would need a strong party in power to make this happen successfully.

2. Clearly there are many ways to leave the EU (many potential deals in the various areas such as Laws, Markets, Currency, Immigration and free movement of individuals etc). Having a referredum based on such a blunt question of leave or remain makes no sense. It should maybe have included a Yes/No for each of these areas, or at least set up for another vote on whatever actual deal is struck at a later date.

3. I have always thought that there should have been set a rule for a clear majority in the referendum, mainly because of the amount of possible month to month sway of peoples opinion - depending whats been going on at any one time. Another referendum now could have a similar swing in the other direction - and then later back again. So to just say "it's the will of the people" is quite wrong IMO. It may have been the will by quite a small margin on that particular day - but what about 2 years ltr based on what circumstances.

Pah, complete balls up from start to finish.
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So crash out on April 12th if no agreement passed in Parliament - and no longer extension granted - in the meantime?
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Originally Posted by Elvis666 View Post
This is from Wikipedia: "Brexit is the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union, which is scheduled to take place on 22 May 2019 at 11 pm UK time after an extension was granted by the EU on March 21, 2019 contingent on the UK House of Commons approving some form of an exit agreement by 12 April 2019."

Also being reported by multiple news sources in the U.S., including the Washington Post.

Edited to add: "Beat me by this much" in a poor Don Adams imitation.
Someone seems to have jumped the gun., the legislation is very clear that at the moment we leave the EU on 29th March.
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Old Today, 12:33 AM   #296
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
THE UK gets a postpoment:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47660019

I am betting in a few weeks, we will be at this same crisis point again, with no deal in sight.

I doubt that the MPs are going to pass the negotiated deal this time around.
There's a bunch of other stuff they could pass in the meantime. The petition to revoke article 50 attracted 1.5 million new signatures since yesterday noon, when it had 800 thousand, to today 7 a.m. (both London time). Parliament is now supposed to debate it. The petition attracted more signatures in the last 24 hours than any previous petition ever did. This isn't something the elected representatives can simply ignore.

The solution is obvious: vote to hold another referendum. Give five options, no deal, the negotiated deal, a closer relationship than the negotated deal, a looser relationship than the negotiated deal with a customs border in the Irish sea and revoke article 50. Make it a ranked referendum, rank the first four in order.

Also, hand out Wakizashis to the ERG and all others who find the idea of letting the people decide unbearable.

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So crash out on April 12th if no agreement passed in Parliament - and no longer extension granted - in the meantime?
Can't they cancel article 50 instead?
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I was right in my prediction that there would be no Brexit on March 29 at least.

I really think that they should hold another referendum.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Can't they cancel article 50 instead?
They could.
It would make sense, it would be good for the country

BUT

it would be political suicide for a few, so it won't happen.

Let your country die for you.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
I was right in my prediction that there would be no Brexit on March 29 at least.

I really think that they should hold another referendum.
We're still leaving on the 29th unless parliament agrees to the terms of the delay......
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