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Old 16th February 2017, 11:17 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You'd think Trump would have asked him before announcing the engagement.
Supposedly, Harward wanted to make sure he would be more than a figurehead:
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But according to an individual familiar with Harward's thinking, the former Navy SEAL who served on the National Security Council under President George W. Bush turned down the Trump offer because he did not receive sufficient assurances about staffing and autonomy. Specifically, the source said Harward wanted commitments that the National Security Council would be fully in charge of security matters, not Trump's political advisers. And he wanted to be able to select his own staff.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...p-balks-235120
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Old 16th February 2017, 11:52 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Supposedly, Harward wanted to make sure he would be more than a figurehead:
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But according to an individual familiar with Harward's thinking, the former Navy SEAL who served on the National Security Council under President George W. Bush turned down the Trump offer because he did not receive sufficient assurances about staffing and autonomy. Specifically, the source said Harward wanted commitments that the National Security Council would be fully in charge of security matters, not Trump's political advisers. And he wanted to be able to select his own staff.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...p-balks-235120
Was that a polite way to say that Bannon and McFarlane (among others) had to leave the NSC for Harward to accept the job?

If so, good for Harward.

As Trebuchet said, the bad part is that the the next NSA may well be someone worse.
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Old 17th February 2017, 03:36 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Same Reason why Trump can't find a good guy for his communications director.
No sane person would be willing to become a crew member on the ship of fools...
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Old 17th February 2017, 06:23 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Harward is an Annapolis Grad, and the creed of the MIddies is "A Midshipman does not lie,cheat or steal,or tolerate those who do".
They stole that from West Point.
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Old 17th February 2017, 07:48 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
They stole that from West Point.
So did the AF Academy, but they didn't steal it, they all pay a royalty fee for it's use.
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Old 17th February 2017, 07:58 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Harward is an Annapolis Grad, and the creed of the MIddies is "A Midshipman does not lie,cheat or steal,or tolerate those who do".
I guess Harward thought there was too much he could not tolerate working for Trump.
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They stole that from West Point.
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So did the AF Academy, but they didn't steal it, they all pay a royalty fee for it's use.
The Naval Academy does not have the Honor Code, but has the Honor Concept.

https://www.usna.edu/About/honorconcept.php

It doesn't include the 'or tolerate those who do.' clause.
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
The Naval Academy does not have the Honor Code, but has the Honor Concept.

https://www.usna.edu/About/honorconcept.php

It doesn't include the 'or tolerate those who do.' clause.

That's because middies are expected to understand without having it spelled out for them that covering up for liars and cheats is wrong.
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
That's because middies are expected to understand without having it spelled out for them that covering up for liars and cheats is wrong.
There is a real difference. At West Point and the Colorado Flying School, it's an honor code violation to not report a suspected honor code violation. At Annapolis, middies are allowed to confront suspected honor violators without reporting it.
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