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"Dreadful" isn't the half of it. But the DNC shares the blame for nominating someone who was under active FBI investigation. It doesn't matter how unjust you think Hillary's treatment was; the fact is that at any time during the campaign -- from the convention until election day -- the FBI or Justice Dept. could have announced that she was being indicted. Then what? Hillary should have announced after the 2014 election -- catastrophic for the Democrats -- that she would not run, and given other candidates time to emerge.
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Bullcrap!
You can't put the blame for ignorant voters on Clinton. She had the best qualifications for POTUS as almost anyone else who has ever run for the office. The FBI investigation was total bupkis wasn't it? As opposed to Trump's many investigations over his fraudulent business practices including scamming people to simply not paying contractors. What was dreadful was how little the media paid to Trump's legal troubles and his outrageous lying which is not a surprise to anyone who had been paying attention, and how much time was spent on Clinton's non-crime. |
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Like I said, no matter how unfairly you think she was treated, the fact is that at the time she was nominated she was under FBI investigation for potential federal crimes. She ran for President in 2008 and lost to an unknown black guy named Hussein, a big clue that she was not America's sweetheart. She carries a lot of baggage, and the DNC kept other potential candidates out of the race.
And as despicable as Trump is, all of his shady business was as a private party entering into contracts with other willing private parties. The allegation against Clinton -- again, fair or not -- was about her alleged conduct in office. |
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Trump thinks we need to talk to Bill Gates to 'close up' parts of the internet...because ISIS.
Let me get some popcorn before his defenders spin that one. I really want to see that. |
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Then there is this kind of Trumpcon: President Trump orders American steel for oil pipelines. Will that help Ohio?
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Sanders calls out "a delusional President," with a bullhorn.
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I've done so several times, as have many others. Way back at the beginning of this thread, as well as in the "Why Liberal Suck at Understanding Conservatives and Why it Matters" thread. It counts for naught. It just gets ignored, and the rhetoric that all of the people who voted for Trump were ignorant bigots just keeps being repeated.
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WTF do you want? What do you think people should address? Both phiwum and I have said (on more than one occassion) that Trump is a buffoon, and that his election to the presidency is a travesty. Neither of us supported the fool. But I didn't support Hillary either - I still think she would have been a terribly president.
I have, however, called you and others on your methodology and your reactionary behavior. Castigating anyone who did support Trump as being deplorable bigots etc. is exactly WHY the democrats lost this election. I've tried to point this out many times. So have several others. But that doesn't seem to be what you want to hear. It seems that your hurt feelings are assuaged by lashing out at everyone else and calling them names. As if that sort of peer-pressure bullying has ever accomplished anything good. As if somehow a fear of being called a name would force someone to adopt your viewpoint. That's not a discussion. It's social coercion. |
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Agreed.
I don't know what she was thinking. From what little I've read, it seems a big part of the problem was that she surrounded herself with a few close advisors. That's always a problem for a politician. It's way too easy to stop questioning your assumptions, opening up yourself for a nasty surprise on election day. |
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I don't know. I first became familiar with the that clock when I was in high school in the '70s. Nuclear war, at least the full scale, civilization destroying variety, just doesn't seem as close now as it was then, and back then the magazine cover I think said five minutes to midnight. Maybe four. Sure, the election of Trump, the Chinese moves in the South China Sea. Putin. Those things all make the world more dangerous, but I don't think back to full scale cold war days.
Of course, we didn't have North Korea building missiles back then. It seems like the chance of a single city-destroying nuke have gone up since the days of disco and Jimmy Carter. |
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You don't think the title of that thread might turn people off from bothering? I had no interest in it. Sorry but I don't suck at understanding conservatives, thank you.
How about cutting and pasting your answers, save us a dozen go rounds to get to the answers? Do you imagine your thread title was a tad hypocritical considering your assertions only the left are rude? |
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Ummm, I said there was an elephant in the room.
![]() But, seriously, "WTF do you want?" Explain why a sane person who wasn't duped voted for Trump and do they still think they were not duped now seeing him in action? |
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How would that even work? If people were called deplorable bigots for supporting Trump then they were already supporting Trump when they were called that. Are you both suggesting that Trump supporters would have changed their minds if and only if nobody had called them any bad names? "Oh, I identified as a Trump supporter and was going to vote for Trump but then someone called me a name so I'm changing my mind and doing exactly what I said I would and vote for Trump!"
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No, that's not why we lost the election. We lost the election because Clinton did not have an effective response to the propaganda machine that has been active against her since the 80s. And she especially failed in responding to Comey's last minute letter. She should have called 'outrage' and condemned the attempt to smear her with Weiner's name. She chose not to, in hindsight, it was a bad decision.
Don't forget, Clinton won the popular vote by a very large margin. It wasn't some piddly few thousand votes. In the three states that gave Trump the EC win, his vote was less than 100,000 more than Clinton's. From Wiki:
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Gore received 543,895 more votes than Bush. Clinton won 2,864,974 more votes than Trump. That is a very wide margin. So all the discounting of Clinton's election outcome need to keep in mind, she carried significantly more people than Trump did. |
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CNN is reminding us about The Bay of Pigs mistake early in JFK's Presidency and The Cuban Missile Crisis 11 months later.
Do you think the Congress would get rid of Trump like a hot potato if the US faced a real crisis? Or do you think the denial that Trump is incompetent (at least as a diplomat if not as everything POTUS) would stop them from taking quick action? Would they put massive pressure on him the STFU or start an Amendment 25 procedure? |
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I'm imagining sometime in the future, a foreigner looking at our history and asking an American, "That was one of your Presidents???"
American replies, "It is an incident not discussed with outsiders." |
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It's possible that there are multiple factors. So the "deplorable bigot" name calling might not be WHY we lost the election, in the sense of the one reason, but I think the "deplorable bigot" name calling was enough to sway 1% of the electorate from Democrat to Republican, or if you prefer, from Hillary to Donald. I would go so far as to say that of the things that the Democrats and/or Hillary had control over, and that they could have modified without severely compromising their values, that was it.
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What I meant, and what I suspect Emily's Cat meant, too, is that prior to the election, an awful lot of very normal people were being called deplorable bigots, and as the election season rolled on, people who declared that they were leaning toward Trump were informed that they must be deplorable bigots, or they wouldn't be supporting Trump. Well, they didn't feel like deplorable bigots. They felt like normal people, and they decided they didn't like being called deplorable bigots, and would vote for the candidate who very clearly did not call them deplorable bigots.
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