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Old 24th October 2018, 11:27 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
If you want too vote buy a house, stop living the glamorous homeless lifestyle. You are a non person unless you have property.
MAGA, back to when only rich, white, land owning, males are allowed to vote.
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Old 25th October 2018, 04:12 AM   #362
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Seems that even some of the party spokespeople can abide the actions of Georgia's GOP with their Voter Suppression....

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Old 25th October 2018, 04:53 PM   #363
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*sigh*

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Old 26th October 2018, 07:47 AM   #364
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Apparently the Dems have USPS scans showing they were delivered.

There are also reports of Georgia and Texas electronic voting machines switching votes.

https://abc13.com/politics/straight-...anged/4556377/

I have no faith in fair elections anymore
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Old 26th October 2018, 02:21 PM   #365
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
Apparently the Dems have USPS scans showing they were delivered.

There are also reports of Georgia and Texas electronic voting machines switching votes.

https://abc13.com/politics/straight-...anged/4556377/

I have no faith in fair elections anymore

Was going to post that, and you beat me to it. Yeah, it's obvious that there are no depths to which the GOP will not stoop to hold on to power. The likelihood of a "blue wave" sweeping the fascists from office and breaking their stranglehold on government is looking less and less likely.

I think there is a strong likelihood we are looking at the beginning of the end for American democracy. We're rapidly turning into a third-world country.
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Old 26th October 2018, 02:56 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
Was going to post that, and you beat me to it. Yeah, it's obvious that there are no depths to which the GOP will not stoop to hold on to power. The likelihood of a "blue wave" sweeping the fascists from office and breaking their stranglehold on government is looking less and less likely.

I think there is a strong likelihood we are looking at the beginning of the end for American democracy. We're rapidly turning into a third-world country.
Do not get cynical and complacent. You might well be right, and the US might be drifting further and further towards autocracy, but you ain't there yet, and there's still a fight to be had.
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Old 26th October 2018, 04:55 PM   #367
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Do not get cynical and complacent. You might well be right, and the US might be drifting further and further towards autocracy, but you ain't there yet, and there's still a fight to be had.

There's always a fight to be had, but not a whole lot of people who are going to be willing to fight, unfortunately. Look at what's happening with the states where this is going on the worst?

I think the current administration understands how this all works far too well. They've been very effective at controlling the narrative for these issues, and setting the left against each other, progressives against moderates, and now we're seeing them exploit "protest fatigue". If you look a the history of all of these abuses of power, they'll garner an intense but brief protest, marches and rallies and so on, then nothing, it will all die down, and a new abuse will happen, new protest, and so on and so on.

After a while, there are just so many abuses, and so many problems, that people get worn out, they stop paying attention, they become tired and jaded, and the effectiveness of the resistance drops off rapidly. The GOP and reactionary right has become aware of this, and has used this to keep opponents destabilized and unfocused. It's really obvious that it's happening, but few people seem to want to acknowledge it.

So what happens is that each abuse, each atrocity, each whittling away at civil rights becomes the "new normal", people adapt, and the way is made clear for the next stage. Have you heard anything from Black Lives Matter recently? Have there been any big protests, any big campaigns? Black children are still being murdered, but there's much less outrage, much less activity.

I fear that things are going to get far, far worse, before people wake up enough to push back, and I fear even more that things are going to get bloody again before the lost ground can be regained.
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Old 26th October 2018, 06:15 PM   #368
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
There's always a fight to be had, but not a whole lot of people who are going to be willing to fight, unfortunately. Look at what's happening with the states where this is going on the worst?

I think the current administration understands how this all works far too well. They've been very effective at controlling the narrative for these issues, and setting the left against each other, progressives against moderates, and now we're seeing them exploit "protest fatigue". If you look a the history of all of these abuses of power, they'll garner an intense but brief protest, marches and rallies and so on, then nothing, it will all die down, and a new abuse will happen, new protest, and so on and so on.

After a while, there are just so many abuses, and so many problems, that people get worn out, they stop paying attention, they become tired and jaded, and the effectiveness of the resistance drops off rapidly. The GOP and reactionary right has become aware of this, and has used this to keep opponents destabilized and unfocused. It's really obvious that it's happening, but few people seem to want to acknowledge it.

So what happens is that each abuse, each atrocity, each whittling away at civil rights becomes the "new normal", people adapt, and the way is made clear for the next stage. Have you heard anything from Black Lives Matter recently? Have there been any big protests, any big campaigns? Black children are still being murdered, but there's much less outrage, much less activity.

I fear that things are going to get far, far worse, before people wake up enough to push back, and I fear even more that things are going to get bloody again before the lost ground can be regained.
A pessimistic view of the future, but unfortunately I don't think it's an unlikely one.
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Atrocities? Whittling away of civil rights?

Oh, the drama!
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You know, if you actually disagree, I for one would love to hear you reasoning.
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Old 27th October 2018, 05:13 AM   #371
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Local GOP getting even dirtier in their attempt to suppress voters, this time aimed at Union members and women:

‘This is dirty politics at its absolute lowest’

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Oh, and the source of this campaign, which the GOP has yet to repudiate (why would they)?

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Old 30th October 2018, 08:40 PM   #372
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In North Dakota, Native Americans Try to Turn an ID Law to Their Advantage

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FORT YATES, N.D. — Nobody in the squat yellow house serving as the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe’s get-out-the-vote headquarters knew its address.

It was on Red Tail Hawk Avenue; they knew that much. But the number was anyone’s guess. Phyllis Young, a longtime tribal activist leading the voter-outreach effort, said it had fallen off the side of the house at some point. Her own home has a number only because she added one with permanent marker.

This is normal on Native American reservations. Buildings lack numbers; streets lack signs. Even when a house has an address in official records, residents don’t necessarily know what it is.

“We know our communities based off our communities,” said Danielle Ta’Sheena Finn, a Standing Rock spokeswoman and tribal judge. “We know, ‘Hey, that’s so-and-so’s house; you go two houses down and that’s the correct place you need to be.’”
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Voters’ experiences have varied greatly based on which county they live in. In Rolette County, where the Turtle Mountain Reservation is, they have been able to get addresses from the county and IDs from the tribe without much red tape. But at Standing Rock, in Sioux County, the 911 coordinator is the sheriff, Frank Landeis. That’s a deterrent to people who are afraid to interact with law enforcement, much less tell the sheriff where they live, and Sheriff Landeis is not easy to reach.

When Ms. Finn called him on Oct. 12, three days after the Supreme Court ruling, he was out. On Oct. 15, he said he was transporting prisoners and could not assign addresses that day. He was also unavailable when The New York Times called on Friday.

And in an episode recounted independently by Ms. Finn, Mr. Semans and Ms. Young, a tribal elder, Terry Yellow Fat, got through to Sheriff Landeis only to be assigned the address of a bar near his house. Mr. Semans worried that, in addition to playing into stereotypes about Native Americans and alcohol, this could expose Mr. Yellow Fat to fraud charges if he voted under an address he knew was incorrect.
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while Sioux County does not offer early voting, it does — like all North Dakota counties — allow early, no-excuse-needed absentee voting, which is functionally almost identical. But Mr. Semans said that when one woman went to the county auditor’s office and asked to vote early, the auditor, Barbara Hettich, simply told her there was no early voting and didn’t mention the absentee option. (Ms. Hettich did not respond to a request for comment.)

Later, when Ms. Young filled out an absentee ballot, Ms. Hettich told her she had to use blue ink or the ballot would not be counted. But literature on the secretary of state’s website says ballots must be filled out in black ink.
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