2018 mid-term election - Page 41

Stacyhs · 6th December 2018, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty

Which has always been one of my arguments against strict voter ID requirements. It's a solution looking for a problem. If people want to fraudulently effect the election results, they'll do it at some other level where there will be more bang for the buck. And those ways can't be prevented by voter ID.

Exactly. It needs to be made clear that this was election fraud, not voter fraud. Individual voters were not voting illegally which is what Trump and many of his followers (falsely) claim.

JoeMorgue · 6th December 2018, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

I get the impression that they have conflated being legal with being democratic.

I don't think the rationalization even goes that far. It probably begins and ends at "The Democrats are bad, ergo anything done to keep the Democrats out of power is good."

Garrison · 6th December 2018, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

With more people moving to cities and leaving the rural areas, the population shift caused this odd situation. The rural districs go red with only 55% votes whereas the city or suburban districts go blue but with ”too many” votes. The areas will need to be redesigned as the rural areas go empty.

Republicans will never willingly agree to a system that reflects reality, it would mean either permanently losing power or having to adapt their policies to reflect social/demographic changes.

d4m10n · 6th December 2018, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Exactly. It needs to be made clear that this was election fraud, not voter fraud. Individual voters were not voting illegally which is what Trump and many of his followers (falsely) claim.

Amen to all this. I've been frustrated with some mainstream reportage failing to clarify the difference between the two.

Molinaro · 6th December 2018, 06:09 PM

The last Congressional seat to be decided is now over. The GOP rep has conceded and this brings the final total of seats gained by the Democrats to 40.

The predicted blue wave came in right on target.

Delvo · 6th December 2018, 06:29 PM

It is quite odd how long that took.

acbytesla · 6th December 2018, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Molinaro

The last Congressional seat to be decided is now over. The GOP rep has conceded and this brings the final total of seats gained by the Democrats to 40.

The predicted blue wave came in right on target.

Isn't there still the issue of Congressional District in NC where there seems strong evidence of election fraud? Pelosi today suggested they wouldn't seat the Republican Congressmen who theoretically won.

CapelDodger · 6th December 2018, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Molinaro

The last Congressional seat to be decided is now over. The GOP rep has conceded and this brings the final total of seats gained by the Democrats to 40.

The predicted blue wave came in right on target.

Indeed, and pretty much across the board, given all the close races that would normally be walkovers.

quadraginta · 7th December 2018, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

THis is actually by far the more likely way to illegally mess with an election - hack the machines, toss out ballots, etc. So far most people who get caught trying to vote twice are Republican idiots who try to show how easy it is to vote multiple times.

Or figured it was justified because they were voting for a Republican.

That means it's not illegal.

Firestone · 13th December 2018, 08:36 AM

In Maine, a Federal court rejected the lawsuit by Republican incumbent congressman Poliquin who lost the US first congressional election held by a candidate-ranking system.

Quote:

But Judge Lance Walker, a recent Trump administration appointee, rejected Poliquin's requests that the courts declare him the winner or order a new election for the 2nd Congressional District.

Poliquin's lawyer had argued the candidate-ranking system requires voters to "guess" which candidates would survive until the second, runoff-style round of tabulations.

https://www.abc4.com/news/politics/j...ion/1657405657

Belz... · 13th December 2018, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Molinaro

The last Congressional seat to be decided is now over.

A full month? Wow, US elections really suck.

Firestone · 13th December 2018, 08:39 AM

Well, NC-09 is not yet over ...

bonzombiekitty · 13th December 2018, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Poliquin's lawyer had argued the candidate-ranking system requires voters to "guess" which candidates would survive until the second, runoff-style round of tabulations.

.... what sort of stupid argument is that?

Firestone · 13th December 2018, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty

.... what sort of stupid argument is that?

I'm somewhat struggling to identify the type of fallacy in his argument.

Maybe Straw Man?

JoeMorgue · 13th December 2018, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Poliquin's lawyer had argued the candidate-ranking system requires voters to "guess" which candidates would survive until the second, runoff-style round of tabulations.

Yes and not having to vote "strategically" is the main selling point of instant run-off style elections.

Poliquins lawyer is essentially blustering and huffing the people were voting for candidates and not against them.

THAT'S THE ******* POINT.

bonzombiekitty · 13th December 2018, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

I'm somewhat struggling to identify the type of fallacy in his argument.

Maybe Straw Man?

I just call it complete ********.

varwoche · 13th December 2018, 07:12 PM

In this topsy-turvy Trump reality, Bob Corker is one of the rare Republicans who restores my faith in humanity, in small part.

When Corker was first elected to the senate in 2006, his campaign against Harold Ford included some of the ugliest race baiting I've ever seen. In particular, the blond who makes two fleeting appearances in this ad:

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Farewell, thank you, and **** you Bob.

JoeMorgue · 28th December 2018, 02:23 PM

Maine Governor writes "Stolen Election" on document certifying Democrat win.

Quote:

CNN - Washington (CNN)Gov. Paul LePage certified the election results for Maine's 2nd Congressional District after a recount and legal battle dragged out the final result in the race for almost two months, cementing a Democratic victory.

But, LePage -- a Republican firebrand -- made one last jab at the drawn-out process when certifying the election, writing the words "stolen election" next to his signature.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/polit...ion/index.html

aleCcowaN · 28th December 2018, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Maine Governor writes "Stolen Election" on document certifying Democrat win.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/polit...ion/index.html

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Stacyhs · 28th December 2018, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

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I'd bet LePage supporters also voted for Trump. Are we sure Fred Trump didn't visit Maine in early 1948?

ETA: Good lord. This yahoo was voted governor not once, but twice?

varwoche · 28th December 2018, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I'd bet LePage supporters also voted for Trump. Are we sure Fred Trump didn't visit Maine in early 1948?

ETA: Good lord. This yahoo was voted governor not once, but twice?

I've never been to Maine. Somehow over the years, I gained the vague impression it wasn't crazyville. Fortunately I don't put too much stock in vague impressions.

tyr_13 · 28th December 2018, 05:39 PM

How is LePage a 'firebrand'? Seems fairly representative of the GOP.

Most of the time we think of the conundrum of trying to balance majority rule with the need to respect the rights of the minority. The GOP has rectified this by disregarding minority rights AND majority rule.

They've been operating on 'evil genie logic' for a long time now. For other examples see pulling troops home and immigration reform.

kookbreaker · 28th December 2018, 05:42 PM

IIRC, the Maine Democrats split their party both times and LaPage ended up carrying the election hpwhen any single Democrat would have crushed him.

W.D.Clinger · 28th December 2018, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

IIRC, the Maine Democrats split their party both times and LaPage ended up carrying the election hpwhen any single Democrat would have crushed him.

Which is why Maine adopted ranked-choice voting:

Originally Posted by Ella Nilsen

Thanks to the election and reelection of controversial Republican Gov. Paul LePage with less than a majority of the vote, Maine is trying out a whole new method of voting on Tuesday.

Maine is the first state in the nation to use ranked-choice voting (also known as instant-runoff voting) in a statewide election. It’s largely seen as a rebuttal to LePage, who was elected in 2010 with less than 40 percent of the vote and reelected four years later with less than 50 percent.

Stacyhs · 28th December 2018, 06:45 PM

Whew! It's good to know that LePage got in without a majority of Mainers voting for him...but that's sad at the same time.

aleCcowaN · 28th December 2018, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger

Which is why Maine adopted ranked-choice voting:

I once subverted that system by instructing "my people" about voting for our "candidates" (our projects, in that case) and ignoring all the other "candidates". That achieved a project of ours ranking third place instead of fourth -if we have voted as expected-. It suffices to say that only three projects got financing.

I later told the organizers to get it right from the beginning instead of promoting a "scientific" system and all of the blatant bartering that was going on ("if you vote for our project in second place we'll vote yours in second place") what motivated me to analyse the system and in turn also subvert it the way I described.

Has Maine's system some protective mechanism? I mean, "general pool vote" in case of empty option -a logistical nightmare and a source of potential fraud if not properly controlled-, and so on.

aleCcowaN · 28th December 2018, 10:20 PM

Next Wednesday Democratic politician Janet Mills will be assuming as governor of Maine, putting an end to 8 years of "lepageries" (which sounds in Spanish like "things proper of a jerk-off" said in a Catalan way)

Foolmewunz · 29th December 2018, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

Next Wednesday Democratic politician Janet Mills will be assuming as governor of Maine, putting an end to 8 years of "lepageries" (which sounds in Spanish like "things proper of a jerk-off" said in a Catalan way)

I'm sure there's an opening or two in the Cabinet coming up. Paul and Donnie belong together.

aleCcowaN · 29th December 2018, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

I'm sure there's an opening or two in the Cabinet coming up. Paul and Donnie belong together.

Certainly he belongs there, but in a "last cabinet, when impeachment succeeded" fashion, when people miss Betsy DeVos like today they're missing Jeff Sessions or, soon, Mike Pompeo, in such precise moment Lepage deserves to be appointed Secretary of Verborrhea or Secretary of International Drywalls Paid by Aliens.

6th December 2018, 02:02 PM	#1601
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 6,730	Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty Which has always been one of my arguments against strict voter ID requirements. It's a solution looking for a problem. If people want to fraudulently effect the election results, they'll do it at some other level where there will be more bang for the buck. And those ways can't be prevented by voter ID. Exactly. It needs to be made clear that this was election fraud, not voter fraud. Individual voters were not voting illegally which is what Trump and many of his followers (falsely) claim.
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6th December 2018, 02:08 PM	#1602
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 16,049	Originally Posted by crescent I get the impression that they have conflated being legal with being democratic. I don't think the rationalization even goes that far. It probably begins and ends at "The Democrats are bad, ergo anything done to keep the Democrats out of power is good."
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6th December 2018, 02:22 PM	#1603
Garrison Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,592	Originally Posted by Tero With more people moving to cities and leaving the rural areas, the population shift caused this odd situation. The rural districs go red with only 55% votes whereas the city or suburban districts go blue but with ”too many” votes. The areas will need to be redesigned as the rural areas go empty. Republicans will never willingly agree to a system that reflects reality, it would mean either permanently losing power or having to adapt their policies to reflect social/demographic changes.
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6th December 2018, 05:26 PM	#1604
d4m10n Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 3,666	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Exactly. It needs to be made clear that this was election fraud, not voter fraud. Individual voters were not voting illegally which is what Trump and many of his followers (falsely) claim. Amen to all this. I've been frustrated with some mainstream reportage failing to clarify the difference between the two.
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6th December 2018, 06:09 PM	#1605
Molinaro Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,304	The last Congressional seat to be decided is now over. The GOP rep has conceded and this brings the final total of seats gained by the Democrats to 40. The predicted blue wave came in right on target.
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6th December 2018, 06:29 PM	#1606
Delvo الشيطان الأبيض Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 7,696	It is quite odd how long that took.

6th December 2018, 06:40 PM	#1607
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 20,426	Originally Posted by Molinaro The last Congressional seat to be decided is now over. The GOP rep has conceded and this brings the final total of seats gained by the Democrats to 40. The predicted blue wave came in right on target. Isn't there still the issue of Congressional District in NC where there seems strong evidence of election fraud? Pelosi today suggested they wouldn't seat the Republican Congressmen who theoretically won.
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6th December 2018, 07:23 PM	#1608
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 24,156	Originally Posted by Molinaro The last Congressional seat to be decided is now over. The GOP rep has conceded and this brings the final total of seats gained by the Democrats to 40. The predicted blue wave came in right on target. Indeed, and pretty much across the board, given all the close races that would normally be walkovers.
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7th December 2018, 06:29 AM	#1609
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 22,920	Originally Posted by Mumbles THis is actually by far the more likely way to illegally mess with an election - hack the machines, toss out ballots, etc. So far most people who get caught trying to vote twice are Republican idiots who try to show how easy it is to vote multiple times. Or figured it was justified because they were voting for a Republican. That means it's not illegal.
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13th December 2018, 08:36 AM	#1610
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,068	In Maine, a Federal court rejected the lawsuit by Republican incumbent congressman Poliquin who lost the US first congressional election held by a candidate-ranking system. Quote: But Judge Lance Walker, a recent Trump administration appointee, rejected Poliquin's requests that the courts declare him the winner or order a new election for the 2nd Congressional District. Poliquin's lawyer had argued the candidate-ranking system requires voters to "guess" which candidates would survive until the second, runoff-style round of tabulations. https://www.abc4.com/news/politics/j...ion/1657405657
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13th December 2018, 08:38 AM	#1611
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 78,650	Originally Posted by Molinaro The last Congressional seat to be decided is now over. A full month? Wow, US elections really suck.
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13th December 2018, 08:39 AM	#1612
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,068	Well, NC-09 is not yet over ...
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13th December 2018, 09:10 AM	#1613
bonzombiekitty Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,464	Originally Posted by Firestone Poliquin's lawyer had argued the candidate-ranking system requires voters to "guess" which candidates would survive until the second, runoff-style round of tabulations. .... what sort of stupid argument is that?

13th December 2018, 09:16 AM	#1614
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,068	Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty .... what sort of stupid argument is that? I'm somewhat struggling to identify the type of fallacy in his argument. Maybe Straw Man?
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13th December 2018, 09:18 AM	#1615
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 16,049	Quote: Poliquin's lawyer had argued the candidate-ranking system requires voters to "guess" which candidates would survive until the second, runoff-style round of tabulations. Yes and not having to vote "strategically" is the main selling point of instant run-off style elections. Poliquins lawyer is essentially blustering and huffing the people were voting for candidates and not against them. THAT'S THE ******* POINT.
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13th December 2018, 09:21 AM	#1616
bonzombiekitty Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,464	Originally Posted by Firestone I'm somewhat struggling to identify the type of fallacy in his argument. Maybe Straw Man? I just call it complete ********.

28th December 2018, 02:23 PM	#1618
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 16,049	Maine Governor writes "Stolen Election" on document certifying Democrat win. Quote: CNN - Washington (CNN)Gov. Paul LePage certified the election results for Maine's 2nd Congressional District after a recount and legal battle dragged out the final result in the race for almost two months, cementing a Democratic victory. But, LePage -- a Republican firebrand -- made one last jab at the drawn-out process when certifying the election, writing the words "stolen election" next to his signature. CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/polit...ion/index.html
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28th December 2018, 05:11 PM	#1621
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 12,506	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I'd bet LePage supporters also voted for Trump. Are we sure Fred Trump didn't visit Maine in early 1948? ETA: Good lord. This yahoo was voted governor not once, but twice? I've never been to Maine. Somehow over the years, I gained the vague impression it wasn't crazyville. Fortunately I don't put too much stock in vague impressions.
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28th December 2018, 05:39 PM	#1622
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15,888	How is LePage a 'firebrand'? Seems fairly representative of the GOP. Most of the time we think of the conundrum of trying to balance majority rule with the need to respect the rights of the minority. The GOP has rectified this by disregarding minority rights AND majority rule. They've been operating on 'evil genie logic' for a long time now. For other examples see pulling troops home and immigration reform.
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28th December 2018, 05:42 PM	#1623
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 11,919	IIRC, the Maine Democrats split their party both times and LaPage ended up carrying the election hpwhen any single Democrat would have crushed him.
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28th December 2018, 06:26 PM	#1624
W.D.Clinger Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,503	Originally Posted by kookbreaker IIRC, the Maine Democrats split their party both times and LaPage ended up carrying the election hpwhen any single Democrat would have crushed him. Which is why Maine adopted ranked-choice voting: Originally Posted by Ella Nilsen Thanks to the election and reelection of controversial Republican Gov. Paul LePage with less than a majority of the vote, Maine is trying out a whole new method of voting on Tuesday. Maine is the first state in the nation to use ranked-choice voting (also known as instant-runoff voting) in a statewide election. It’s largely seen as a rebuttal to LePage, who was elected in 2010 with less than 40 percent of the vote and reelected four years later with less than 50 percent.
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28th December 2018, 06:45 PM	#1625
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 6,730	Whew! It's good to know that LePage got in without a majority of Mainers voting for him...but that's sad at the same time.
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28th December 2018, 10:12 PM	#1626
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,432	Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger Which is why Maine adopted ranked-choice voting: I once subverted that system by instructing "my people" about voting for our "candidates" (our projects, in that case) and ignoring all the other "candidates". That achieved a project of ours ranking third place instead of fourth -if we have voted as expected-. It suffices to say that only three projects got financing. I later told the organizers to get it right from the beginning instead of promoting a "scientific" system and all of the blatant bartering that was going on ("if you vote for our project in second place we'll vote yours in second place") what motivated me to analyse the system and in turn also subvert it the way I described. Has Maine's system some protective mechanism? I mean, "general pool vote" in case of empty option -a logistical nightmare and a source of potential fraud if not properly controlled-, and so on.
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28th December 2018, 10:20 PM	#1627
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,432	Next Wednesday Democratic politician Janet Mills will be assuming as governor of Maine, putting an end to 8 years of "lepageries" (which sounds in Spanish like "things proper of a jerk-off" said in a Catalan way)
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29th December 2018, 01:28 AM	#1628
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 39,911	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN Next Wednesday Democratic politician Janet Mills will be assuming as governor of Maine, putting an end to 8 years of "lepageries" (which sounds in Spanish like "things proper of a jerk-off" said in a Catalan way) I'm sure there's an opening or two in the Cabinet coming up. Paul and Donnie belong together.
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29th December 2018, 06:56 AM	#1629
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,432	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz I'm sure there's an opening or two in the Cabinet coming up. Paul and Donnie belong together. Certainly he belongs there, but in a "last cabinet, when impeachment succeeded" fashion, when people miss Betsy DeVos like today they're missing Jeff Sessions or, soon, Mike Pompeo, in such precise moment Lepage deserves to be appointed Secretary of Verborrhea or Secretary of International Drywalls Paid by Aliens.
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