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What do they they of sharing spaces with transgender men?
Everyone was up in arms when the transgender boy won the texas girls wrestling competition. That was going by everyone's arguments here about biology but there many of the same people seem to think it was wrong that girls had to wrestle against him. |
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To all the people who are freaked out about dating a woman with a penis, would you date a man with a vagina?
And the message is clear, it isn't that you want to keep trans women out of the ladies locker room, it is you want to keep all transgender people out of all locker rooms. |
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The question is, why should you be *required* to. In the context of this discussion, required by a third party, with penalties for non compliance.
Because they asked you to? That might be enough to create a purely social obligation, out of common courtesy. But I don't know that it creates a government duty to compel you to observe that social obligation against your will. This signature is intended to irradiate people. |
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7th August 2017, 12:11 PM | #612 |
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No. I'm a natural born male with a penis that only wants a natural born woman with a vagina. Does that make me a bigot too? How about anyone that does not want to date me? Are they bigots because they are only attracted to people not like me?
Look, I'm a pretty liberal guy. Especially with sexual issues. I believe everyone should do what ever makes them happy as long as they are not interfering with the rights of someone else. This extreme left wing nonsense is just as bad a extreme right wing nonsense. It's like they are saying mind your own business, but at the same time telling everyone else how they should act and feel. |
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Just to keep everyone on the same page:
Nobody (in this thread) is saying that you need to date trans-gendered people. If you want to, that's cool, but nobody (here) is going to call you a bigot if you say "no thanks" to a girl with a dick. What trans-gendered people are asking for (at least what we're talking about in this thread) is that you kindly refer to them in the pronoun they chose, or not at all (at least to their face), and that you maybe allow them to use the bathroom/locker room that corresponds with the gender they are transitioning to. All if it's not too bloody much to ask, of course. |
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Not really.
As a "Mexican-"American who never lived in Mexico (2nd time today this has come up!), I think X-American is a stupid thing to call someone. One is either Mexican or American. Maybe those with dual citizenship could logically be called Mexican-American. In any case, any citizen of the US is American and that really should be the end of it. Until we stop using these dumb hyphens to refer to each other, we are going to have problems with race and ethnicity. As far as transmen, I wouldn't put it as whether or not they are "real" men. "Real," in this context, carries unnecessary connotations. If a man cried or worked as a nurse, I would never say they weren't "real" men, for a simple example. The social and cultural roles assigned to men and women are arbitrary and don't reflect the true diversity of the human species. So from a sociocultural outlook, transmen are as "real" as any man, IMHO. But from a biological outlook, no matter how many hormones they take or surgeries they undergo, a biological female will always be a biological female. Men don't have babies in that context and they never will. So strictly speaking, transmen are not in fact men. So when we are speaking about biological function, we should never say that a man gave birth because it's just plain inaccurate. In hindsight, I should have paid more attention to the source. I got caught up in the deeper argument when in fact, it really wasn't warranted. Tabloids be tabloids -gotta generate them clicks. |
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Exactly you are not an american, you are a mexican american. Just like the trans man is not a man only a transman.
American does not include mexican american and Man does not include transman simple really. Other wise you have Men as a category that includes both cis men and trans men. Like American including white americans, african americans, mexican americans and that would be crazy. |
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Why not? After all a transwoman is a woman, right, whether or not she has had her male parts removed? And what about after the operation? Now there can be no possible objection to dating her, unless you're some bigot who can't get over the "ick" factor.
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I agree that nobody in this thread is doing that. But this conversation is also about what those in the transgendered community want from larger society.
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https://www.theodysseyonline.com/no-...ore-dating-you http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/12/...iscriminatory/ http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07...sgender-women/ So yeah, we are being asked to "work through" our issues with dating a transgendered person. |
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Uke2se seems to be saying that if you were attracted to the transwoman enough to get to the sex stage and then you get un-attracted when you see the penis or find out they were born male, then maybe somewhere in your heart of hearts, you're afraid that you are homosexual.
Maybe we've had it wrong all this time: Maybe sexual attraction is learned and not innately biological. Guess we should start up the conversion therapy again! |
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Nice!
There are certain people who seem to believe, or want it believed by others, that everybody is a bit gay but they just don't realize it. It somehow reinforces their own gayness and makes them feel more normal. I guess. Seems silly. My step sister is gay but I don't know many other gay people so my experience is limited. I just don't see people really giving a crap about most of this stuff. We are talking about the fringe of the fringe. I think the people causing most of the fuss are lawyers with an agenda. |
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Ah, I see. But no, that isn't it.
He (theoretically) was attracted to the head+shoulders photo on the dating website and the chat that ensued. In person he noticed that his date was all the wrong shape for a 'biological woman' and had rather a deep voice. Plus a hint of 5 o'clock shadow. Pretty soon the mistake became clear and he delicately asked his date "ytf didn't you tell me????. I've driven 40 miles for this poxy useless date with a person whose genitals are ************ male, and I can't even picture getting excited by that. Just be honest next time, ffs. Good luck, you moron!" |
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The problem is with your logic.
Forged Picasso Real Picasso There is, without question, a difference even with your mistaken use of the word "real" in your comparison. The issue is more accurately, and less inflammitorily, expressed this way: Transman Man Once again there is an obvious difference. |
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