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Old 5th June 2020, 02:07 AM   #3361
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I'm enjoying this.
I'm not. I grew up in Country Durham and saw how hard the closure of mining, steel making and other heavy industry hit the region and the huge damage done to individuals, families and communities.

The Nissan factory is a source of highly skilled, relatively highly paid employment in the area and when the supply chain, and the general economic impact is considered is a huge economic boost to the area. If it were to close, the area would be kicked back 40-odd years and another generation could find itself on the scrap heap.

I take no joy from that prospect. YMMV.
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Old 5th June 2020, 02:59 AM   #3362
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https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/brexi...e-left-the-eu/

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Shanker Singham, Brexiter trade guru, tells the @FT he opposes attaching stringent animal welfare and environmental standards to imports. “If you are going to take that kind of approach, you should never have left the EU,”
No **** Shanker.

Except there will be ****, it will just be hidden by the chlorine.

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Old 5th June 2020, 03:29 AM   #3363
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Imported chlorine washed chicken won't be labeled as such, that's another of the conditions.
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Old 5th June 2020, 04:10 AM   #3365
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Imported chlorine washed chicken won't be labeled as such, that's another of the conditions.
At this point why don't they just drop the pretense and officially declare UK a territory of the USA?

No income taxes, that's good right?

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Old 5th June 2020, 05:19 AM   #3366
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
No **** Shanker.

Except there will be ****, it will just be hidden by the chlorine.

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It was an attempted play on the phrase "No <redacted> Sherlock" but fair enough.
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Old 5th June 2020, 08:20 AM   #3367
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I'm not. I grew up in Country Durham and saw how hard the closure of mining, steel making and other heavy industry hit the region and the huge damage done to individuals, families and communities.

The Nissan factory is a source of highly skilled, relatively highly paid employment in the area and when the supply chain, and the general economic impact is considered is a huge economic boost to the area. If it were to close, the area would be kicked back 40-odd years and another generation could find itself on the scrap heap.

I take no joy from that prospect. YMMV.
Maybe the good people of Sunderland now realise the consequences of what they voted for. They want out of Europe. They've got it. However, if cars do not have a CE certification they cannot export to EU countries - and Nissan is a big seller - without a great deal of expense and the payment of tariffs. I will not be buying a British car for that reason. Parts might now be difficult to obtain due to the withdrawal from standardisation.

You can't blame Nissan. They have to make a profit if they are to be a going concern.

Next time, people of Sunderland: be careful what you wish for!
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Old 5th June 2020, 01:51 PM   #3368
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However, if cars do not have a CE certification they cannot export to EU countries.

Being based in a non-EU country does not prevent a company exporting cars to EU countries. How do you think cars built in countries such as Japan, USA, South Korea, and Malaysia are sold in the EU?

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Old 5th June 2020, 02:09 PM   #3369
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Being based in a non-EU country does not prevent a company exporting cars to EU countries. How do you think cars built in countries such as Japan, USA, South Korea, and Malaysia are sold in the EU?
With tariffs, which can be lowered with trade deals. For example, before the EU-Japan trade deal came into effect tariff on cars from Japan were 10%. With the deal the tariff immediately dropped to 9.2% and are planned to drop year-on-year untill it hits 0% in 2032.
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Old 5th June 2020, 02:21 PM   #3370
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Imported chlorine washed chicken won't be labeled as such, that's another of the conditions.
Will it be allowed to label EU products with their origins? Like "Made in Eire"? Or must UK hide that, too, so that people can't figure out which chickens contain ***********?
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Old 5th June 2020, 02:32 PM   #3371
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Whatever helps get a ****** trade deal.
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Without his scientific advisors, Matt Hancock's half-hour looked more like a party political deathcast on behalf of the trying to save Boris Johnson's arse party.
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Old 6th June 2020, 02:32 AM   #3373
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Always remember our exit from EU is not just for us. We are creating a blueprint for others to follow. No compromise over our sovereignty/judiciary/legislative protocols. We are going to demonstrate over coming decades how much more efficient & accountable a sovereign state is!
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Old 6th June 2020, 02:36 AM   #3374
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Daniel Kawczynski MP for Shrewsbury Tweeted

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Always remember our exit from EU is not just for us. We are creating a blueprint for others to follow. No compromise over our sovereignty/judiciary/legislative protocols. We are going to demonstrate over coming decades how much more efficient & accountable a sovereign state is!
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Old 6th June 2020, 02:38 AM   #3375
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I've not managed to read it all yet, but the highlights are fun.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/und...eals-big-tech/

"‘unprecedented’ transfer of personal health information of millions of NHS users to these private tech firms. "

"Significantly, the contracts reveal that the Dominic Cummings-linked firm Faculty is being paid more than £1m to provide AI services for the NHS."
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Old 6th June 2020, 02:38 AM   #3376
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Always remember our exit from EU is not just for us. We are creating a blueprint for others to follow. No compromise over our sovereignty/judiciary/legislative protocols. We are going to demonstrate over coming decades how much more efficient & accountable a sovereign state is!
Good British surname there.
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Old 6th June 2020, 02:39 AM   #3377
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Old 6th June 2020, 02:43 AM   #3378
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Being based in a non-EU country does not prevent a company exporting cars to EU countries. How do you think cars built in countries such as Japan, USA, South Korea, and Malaysia are sold in the EU?
They set up factories in Europe, generally speaking. The EU is a trading blcok. Anything outside the EU is subject to tariffs.

Cars coming into the EU outside the bloc pay substantial tariffs. Off the top of my head €1,200 per car, which is passed on to the customer as increased price. The car market is extremely price sensitive so you'll find the best selling models are often the cheapest, for example, the Dacia Duster.
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Old 6th June 2020, 02:50 AM   #3379
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Good British surname there.
Whoa! Are you saying that anyone with a Jewish name is not allowed to be a conservative? Many Jews with German, Polish, Spanish, even Arabic sounding names have been in the UK for generations, even in the case of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain hundreds of years ago.

Likewise, here in Finland, Scottish names such as Finlayson, Fazer, Ramsey and Douglas are surprisingly common because they came over as military centuries ago.

There is NOTHING in a name that guarantees nationality.

ETA: So this guy's Polish born. So what?

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Kawczynski was born on 24 January 1972 in Warsaw. His parents were Leonard and Halina Kawczynski.[4] He came to Britain with his mother at the age of six.[5][6] He was educated at St George's College, Weybridge, an independent Roman Catholic school in Surrey, followed by Birmingham Polytechnic and then the University of Stirling where he studied business studies and French, graduating in 1994.[7][8] He served as president of the university's Conservative Association in 1991.
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Daniel Kawczynski MP for Shrewsbury Tweeted

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Always remember our exit from EU is not just for us. We are creating a blueprint for others to follow. No compromise over our sovereignty/judiciary/legislative protocols. We are going to demonstrate over coming decades how much more efficient & accountable a sovereign state is!
2030: "Please keep in mind that "coming decades" doesn't necessarily mean this decade. It encompasses this decade, but also contains the decade we are about to enter and those that will follow it."
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Whatever helps get a ****** trade deal.

Whatever helps get a trade deal.... with the USA.
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For the US attitude towards Country of Origin labels see this tweet and linked resources:

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Being based in a non-EU country does not prevent a company exporting cars to EU countries. How do you think cars built in countries such as Japan, USA, South Korea, and Malaysia are sold in the EU?
The same way those manufactured in the EU are; by complying with all relevant EU standards.
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Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng View Post
Will it be allowed to label EU products with their origins? Like "Made in Eire Ireland"? Or must UK hide that, too, so that people can't figure out which chickens contain ***********?
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Whatever helps get a ****** trade deal.
Hence BuBu's current bollocks about Hong Kong.
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Always remember our exit from EU is not just for us. We are creating a blueprint for others to follow. No compromise over our sovereignty/judiciary/legislative protocols. We are going to demonstrate over coming decades how much more efficient & accountable a sovereign state is!
The example of the UK's self-destruction has driven "leave the EU" fringe parties to new lows, while "leave the UK" groups are booming.
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The same way those manufactured in the EU are; by complying with all relevant EU standards.
Of course. And, for example, the Nissan factory in Sunderland is already making cars that comply with all the relevant EU standards.
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Of course. And, for example, the Nissan factory in Sunderland is already making cars that comply with all the relevant EU standards.
And has been explained many times before, as an EU member we can certify cars etc as being EU compliant. When we leave the transition period we become a 3rd country and can no longer certify so goods have to be inspected as there is no legitimate paperwork to certify them.
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And [as] has been explained many times before, as an EU member we can certify cars etc as being EU compliant. When we leave the transition period we become a 3rd country and can no longer certify so goods have to be inspected as there is no legitimate paperwork to certify them.
Many, many things have been explained to that member, many, many times.
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And has been explained many times before, as an EU member we can certify cars etc as being EU compliant. When we leave the transition period we become a 3rd country and can no longer certify so goods have to be inspected as there is no legitimate paperwork to certify them.
Not every item has to be inspected. The product has to be designed, built, and (sometimes depending on the product) samples have to be tested to ensure compliance. After that, only random samples are inspected. Surely you don't think there are a team of EU inspectors checking every single toaster, iPhone, TV, and clock imported to the EU from, say, China.
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Not every item has to be inspected. The product has to be designed, built, and (sometimes depending on the product) samples have to be tested to ensure compliance. After that, only random samples are inspected. Surely you don't think there are a team of EU inspectors checking every single toaster, iPhone, TV, and clock imported to the EU from, say, China.
Unless there is a trade agreement reached, those goods will be subject to tariffs.

Japan has a trade agreement with the EU, it may be cheaper to make the cars and import them from Japan.
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At this point why don't they just drop the pretense and officially declare UK a territory of the USA?

No income taxes, that's good right?

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It's not that simple. You have to be really, really rich to get to the zero tax bracket. The less money you get the more of it will go to taxes.
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So according to the papers, Johnson signed this “unfair” deal.
He presented this deal as a a triumph he had managed to squeeze out of the EU.
He described this deal as “oven ready” and it was the entire basis of the “Get Brexit Done” election slogan.
Now he is going to 'fix' this unfair deal the EU forced on us?
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If Boris Johnson ever finds out that it was Boris Johnson who struck the deal that Boris Johnson says is unfair then Boris Johnson will be in big trouble with Boris Johnson.
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Downing Street has issued an instruction that ministers should have no specific policy on animal welfare in its trade negotiations with the US.
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Warnings about Brexit drug stockpiles being used up:

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The UK has been warned by the pharmaceutical industry that some stockpiles of medical supplies have been "used up entirely" by the virus.

A memo seen by the BBC advises the government to buy and store "critical" medicines to treat the virus.

Drug makers fear stockpiles cannot feasibly be built back up again in time, if the UK should fail to strike a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52959639

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Of course they are......

I am not reassured

It's the usual blundering around, having no plans, failing to consider the implication of actions and general shortsightedness which has blighted the Conservative government for the last 10 years and during Brexit and Coronavirus in particular.
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Downing Street has issued an instruction that ministers should have no specific policy on animal welfare in its trade negotiations with the US.
I'm sure the "non-policy" will be extended to worker rights and food safety soon enough.
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So according to the papers, Johnson signed this “unfair” deal.
He presented this deal as a a triumph he had managed to squeeze out of the EU.
He described this deal as “oven ready” and it was the entire basis of the “Get Brexit Done” election slogan.
Now he is going to 'fix' this unfair deal the EU forced on us?
All he has to do, in his own words, is to, ping! stick it in the microwave oven and reheat.
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Old 8th June 2020, 02:50 AM   #3399
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Warnings about Brexit drug stockpiles being used up:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52959639

Fear not, the government are on top of things



Of course they are......

I am not reassured

It's the usual blundering around, having no plans, failing to consider the implication of actions and general shortsightedness which has blighted the Conservative government for the last 10 years and during Brexit and Coronavirus in particular.
Matt Hancock will be telling us later, 'We are ramping things up, straining every sinew and overturning every stone to do the right thing at the right time by following the science.

'Do you have a follow up question?'

'Actually -' <fx cuts off>

- 'Beth Rigby of Sky News...'
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
Not every item has to be inspected. The product has to be designed, built, and (sometimes depending on the product) samples have to be tested to ensure compliance. After that, only random samples are inspected. Surely you don't think there are a team of EU inspectors checking every single toaster, iPhone, TV, and clock imported to the EU from, say, China.
It's obtaining that CE compliance certificate that is the hard part.

Boris Johnson has already said he does not want to hold the UK to EU standards as he wants things to be open to other standards (for example the USA).

Nissan said three years ago that it might move out of the UK as it is not economically viable for them to go through exports aggro.
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