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Old 9th August 2021, 09:21 AM   #1521
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An interesting summary of things and a great suggestion in The New York Times:

Going for Broke in Cryptoland Some hype coins mint instant millionaires. Others go bust. Why not take a chance?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/b...ocurrency.html

Create your own crytocurrency!
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Old 9th August 2021, 01:04 PM   #1522
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
An interesting summary of things and a great suggestion in The New York Times:

Going for Broke in Cryptoland Some hype coins mint instant millionaires. Others go bust. Why not take a chance?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/b...ocurrency.html

Create your own crytocurrency!
Paywalled. But if you follow CoffeeZilla on the YouTube, he covered a few, dirty dealers. Namely one called "Save the Kids" which, name alone, screams SCAM, but members of Faze Clan (game streamers) pumped and dumped. Jake Paul is looking to fleece his followers with his own coin "Dink Doink" Because he is that classy.
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Old 9th August 2021, 01:11 PM   #1523
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Originally Posted by Leftus View Post
Paywalled. But if you follow CoffeeZilla on the YouTube, he covered a few, dirty dealers. Namely one called "Save the Kids" which, name alone, screams SCAM, but members of Faze Clan (game streamers) pumped and dumped. Jake Paul is looking to fleece his followers with his own coin "Dink Doink" Because he is that classy.
Dude .. these are famous examples. So by definition it are not true shitcoins. Nobody knows about those.
Btw. we had, in our not very big 100k city, several bitcoin scams, all using the same BTC vending machine. There is one in shopping mall.
Someone called people, and asked them to go there store money on provided BTC wallet. And people did it ! There is now police warning at the machine: if you are on a phone call now, you are being scammed !
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Today, the value of my portfolio is above what I paid for it.
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Old 30th August 2021, 05:30 AM   #1525
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Just checking in.
Technical developments indicate liquidating cryptos.
Bitcoin 47618
Could be big drop.
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Originally Posted by Samson View Post
Just checking in.
Technical developments indicate liquidating cryptos.
Bitcoin 47618
Could be big drop.
Considering how the price has been going since you last made a price prediction I was going to suggest that you make a bullish prediction this time. Otherwise the price is likely to set a new record high.
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Old 30th August 2021, 09:49 AM   #1527
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Considering how the price has been going since you last made a price prediction I was going to suggest that you make a bullish prediction this time. Otherwise the price is likely to set a new record high.
Nothing's wrong with ATH
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My portfolio has been pretty steady at +3% over my initial investment for several weeks now.
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Old 30th August 2021, 11:09 PM   #1529
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
My portfolio has been pretty steady at +3% over my initial investment for several weeks now.
Only 3%? Wow your fund must have some heavy administration fees! Over the past several weeks the price of bitcoin has risen by up to 50%.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Only 3%? Wow your fund must have some heavy administration fees! Over the past several weeks the price of bitcoin has risen by up to 50%.
I converted most of my portfolio to Etherium. But no, it hasn't. It gained a lot at the beginning of August, but since then has fluctuated about a steady point of about US$70k.
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Old 31st August 2021, 11:57 PM   #1531
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I converted most of my portfolio to Etherium. But no, it hasn't. It gained a lot at the beginning of August, but since then has fluctuated about a steady point of about US$70k.
I see eth to the moon right now. 3527
Well done!
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I see eth to the moon right now. 3527
Well done!
Yep. I'm now at +10% over my initial investment. If I get to +100% I'll sell half.
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Old 2nd September 2021, 12:45 PM   #1533
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I minted NFT's on the Ethereum block chain (I hope this is considered on-topic). I paid USD$700 to mint 5 chickens, and sold them for over USD$5,000.

I love that return on investment for sure, and given that Ethereum is going up it makes it all even better!

If you haven't dug into NFT's, they're the wave of the future. Lots of money to be made, and lost, there.
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Old 2nd September 2021, 06:31 PM   #1534
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
My portfolio has been pretty steady at +3% over my initial investment for several weeks now.
My condolences.
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Old 6th September 2021, 05:10 AM   #1535
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Just checking in.
Technical developments indicate liquidating cryptos.
Bitcoin 47618
Could be big drop.
Or not. Could be anything, I guess.
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Old 6th September 2021, 06:15 AM   #1536
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Or not. Could be anything, I guess.
But imagine not reversing right now.
Imagine bitcoin zero!

Michael Saylor is ok at average 26000.
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I predict it will either go up, then down again, or down and then go again.
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Old 7th September 2021, 11:25 PM   #1538
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The president of El Salvadore bought bitcoin for his people at 52 thousand.
It was bound to go up.
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The president of El Salvadore bought bitcoin for his people at 52 thousand.
It was bound to go up.
And guess who predicted the opposite?
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Old 9th September 2021, 01:39 AM   #1540
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And guess who predicted the opposite?
And guess what it did right after saying that ..
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Its almost as if using an extremely volatile, unbacked investment as currency is a truly stupid idea.

Sure, you can get rich of Bitcoin if you are lucky, but any coin that can change its value by that much in a single day is pointless as actual currency.
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And guess what it did right after saying that ..
Was irony, market had crashed when I posted.
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Sure, you can get rich of Bitcoin if you are lucky, but any coin that can change its value by that much in a single day is pointless as actual currency.
Historically, every single person who held on to their bitcoins has eventually been "lucky".
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Old 11th September 2021, 01:46 AM   #1544
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Historically, every single person who held on to their bitcoins has eventually been "lucky".
That does not apply to current history.
There is no reason to suppose the president of El Salvadore will be a folk hero in his own time.
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That does not apply to current history.
Of course you would predict that for the first time ever, the price of bitcoin will never equal its previous high.

That guarantees that the hodlers' luck will continue.
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Of course you would predict that for the first time ever, the price of bitcoin will never equal its previous high.

That guarantees that the hodlers' luck will continue.
I think that is more irony but I need to do some figures of speech refresher course.
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Historically, every single person who held on to their bitcoins has eventually been "lucky".
Except all those that lost money to them.

But even then. As a currency it is currently pointless
Let's say you are a company and agree to pay your employees X bitcoins / month.

And JUST as you are about to pay out Elon Musk tweets and the price changes by 40% within an hour.
Now either you just lost all your profit, or your employees lost 40% of their wages, through no action of your own. Not something that either party should want.
As a gambling investment sure. But not currency.
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Except all those that lost money to them.
You mean those who panicked and locked in a loss? Sure but your claim was that only the "lucky" can make a profit on bitcoin. That's not true. All you have to do is keep "hodling" them and the price will eventually be higher than what you paid for them. Works every time.

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But even then. As a currency it is currently pointless
Let's say you are a company and agree to pay your employees X bitcoins / month.

And JUST as you are about to pay out Elon Musk tweets and the price changes by 40% within an hour.
Now either you just lost all your profit, or your employees lost 40% of their wages, through no action of your own. Not something that either party should want.
As a gambling investment sure. But not currency.
The price is driven by speculators and is thus volatile (though 40% every hour is an exaggeration).

But even if speculators didn't constantly push the price around, it would not be useful as a currency because its fixed supply makes it deflationary and transaction fees discourage spending.

You are not saying anything new (just saying it emotionally). Bitcoin is primarily designed to be "hodled" and secondarily to transfer large sums of wealth rapidly around without interference by anybody else.
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Except all those that lost money to them.

But even then. As a currency it is currently pointless
Let's say you are a company and agree to pay your employees X bitcoins / month.

And JUST as you are about to pay out Elon Musk tweets and the price changes by 40% within an hour.
Now either you just lost all your profit, or your employees lost 40% of their wages, through no action of your own. Not something that either party should want.
As a gambling investment sure. But not currency.
Come on. Even Elon didn't do 40% in an hour. He did 15%. Which is quite normal. What was unprecedented was it happened inside 20 minutes. That was the 29.1.2021 tweet. But all his subsequent tweets gained less and slower reactions.
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Of course you would predict that for the first time ever, the price of bitcoin will never equal its previous high.

That guarantees that the hodlers' luck will continue.
Probably, but not necessarily.
The current technical picture is a very complete distribution top. And why should the market cap of all cryptos be any particular figure, currently 2 trillion. If cryptos are to be a means of third world participation in a banking protocol does any particular crypto need to appreciate in value? I think 15k bitcoin by christmas is a real possibility.

Cries of bitcoin going to "x", where "x" is a behemoth of a number remind me of Lewis Carroll:

"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.

"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."

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China rules all bitcoin transactions illegal. Could get some cheap mining kit on ebay now.


Etherium kits going cheap.
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China rules all bitcoin transactions illegal. Could get some cheap mining kit on ebay now.


Etherium kits going cheap.
It seems China is a lot less powerful than Elon Musk...
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China rules all bitcoin transactions illegal. Could get some cheap mining kit on ebay now.


Etherium kits going cheap.
Does that mean video cards will be selling for sensible prices?
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Does that mean video cards will be selling for sensible prices?
Why would they ? Miners will just move elsewhere. And it's likely they will need new hardware. So it might get even worse ;-)
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Cheap energy it's a real problem. Iran has subsided power but they are cracking down in mining too. Externalities. What can you do with them.
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Bitcoin is now bigger than any stock and not in the news cycle.
This is important I think.
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New High

Bitcoin has just hit $66,000 US. This eclipses the previous high of $64,895 US on April 14 this year and marks a recovery from $28,600 on June 22 this year - the fastest recovery from a major crash ever.

All the news about the Chinese crackdown had no effect on bitcoin's continued price rise. Of course, even the Chinese government can't compete against Samson's "bitcoin will collapse" predictions.
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Bitcoin is now bigger than any stock and not in the news cycle.
This is important I think.
Wait till it hits 15k by Christmas due to it's very complete distribution top. That should make some news.
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